ok so they're from debbie wasserman schultz head of the d.n.c. and six. prominent people finance communications and so on and so what they show is that within the d.n.c. there was a you know unity of the. most senior people including debbie wasserman schultz. to act. against bernie sanders in the past few days british police were challenged to reveal possible links to u.s. law enforcement agencies themselves investigating the trump presidency during proceedings about three miles from the studio president trump was asked about the world's most famous prisoner now under detention by the u.k. government as determined by the u.n. . i don't know what to think about it really i don't know much about i really don't why would he after all this. week. that was before he appointed a u.s.

secretary of state who said wiki leaks was a hostile intelligence service as for this country prime minister tourism a famously called for a hostile environment you would end up with a successor as home secretary and a rod resigning over the windrush mass deportation of people of color from britain rudd is now back overseeing a welfare system damned by the united nations for creating poverty but does a hostile environment continue i'm joined now by a well to romeo and his daughter rachelle thanks for coming on the other first of all what happened to you after living in britain for nearly sixty years british one hundred fifty five arrived in england one hundred fifty nine my ancestors were given british citizenship water slide masses. for. the abolishment of slavery. all british colonies at that period of time. automatically. british subjects because we had no way to go on and i come from

maize and see until your was a breathing call me so you can imagine we had no rights my answer is this had no rights they were. meant to work in the fields we were treated like animals greatly we had no pal my problems started when i lost my possible into bad about nineteen ninety six i then applied for another possible in two thousand and five thinking nothing over it to take a possible number which i think nineteen on percent of the population even though the possible it took a thirteen years to get a buzz thirteen years to come. people. people who thought i had arrived about you got to remember i'm on these subjects i'm alive and i would say also my little subjects also going to hell for my national insurance

number i thought i had my national insurance number reply back nothing from my shit . jury service i left school at sixteen. i had the right to vote i had everything. and then the phrase possible child house because of all this for more than a decade you weren't allowed to travel that's what i saw miss weddings funerals. missed my father's room and i'd say got my sister in the last few new husbands you know can visit them couldn't visit my nieces and nephews yes i was a total bad time you've been is the edge of for me. so with that concept. it's one of the situations where you can open the doors you've got to prove who you are if you prove who you are they don't listening will use that because the next stage i mean i don't know whether to

tell the story to but how did he tell you that he ends up with a letter threatening him with attention so you because it's been going on for such a length of time it was unbelievable initially so in two thousand and five dad applied for his possible which got started i think just that been reports the police and everything so true that time he was kind of jumping through hoops and stuff to kind of do what the home office asked for in the possible office because they don't seem to talk to each other so they were but if they'd been my father things when we got the let's sell it we made it really real you know what it is yeah it was like if you don't report to with the harvest the home office at the. time when amber rudd is there they said that they could house if you don't i report to you take a will come looking for you know it was like talking about you know i was fourteen and because i was you take your father's nationalities well it's always really fight in my father's like my best friend in the big part of my life and you're

going to break up a family for the sake of that you can't do your job properly or although if you can do your job properly we've been conditioned as a community and been fragmented. and you know of. stand up to authority to a degree with us laws and all these different things since we've been in this country so then this just seemed that cannot be. something to get us by you know just in its smoke screen to me or what she the bigger picture was just in terms of advice for anyone going through this right now and being in this system you did eventually get out of the through the system to get through because paperwork was there and i found my pipe over. a mile possible in the system i found the possible i came over with with my mother everybody record is there then directly i just threw the ice ages out politicians always closed their bring good they only look

warm white they never look back at history this is not the first time people of color has been set back. different places just fine and i know that you didn't really want to talk to the media about the whole process and didn't really want to do that but what made you change your mind was it. not always am a right is now she's just been promoted to second just state and she's this time abroad because prime minister when i was first approached it seemed like it was. pretty. i didn't have my head around the guy i didn't have an understanding for jordan to work with other weird rushes and realize in the situation is quite different from most because i had the possible and whatever happened happened some of them didn't hope some of them had books in this country for forty or fifty is a my plight with that is how can the government i now these people stifle. i'm

in pull the rug from underneath them they have spent most of their i don't like in this country they've got rentals in this country you remember when this country was built it was built on immigration you got the saxons in by the romans and so forth so. we will be british of one form or another and i don't think that's what they took it because of the wind rush action great. helps a great deal so i've been on the standing on all of those people's plight well the rachelle thank you thank you very much for having us. well we just heard from two people argue least till dealing with resumes hostile environment i'm joined now by former labor council for hackney and windrows campaign a patrick vernon has just launched a new petition to the british government stating there should be no cap limit on compensation given to people like elder and rachelle thanks so much matter of coming on so i don't know what your immediate reaction was but what sort of confidence do you have in amber rudd disgraced windrush could be returning to

government overseeing universal credit as the compensation of the windows scandal continues vile. home office or obviously as minister she had responsibility for the implementation of the hostile environment she took of the mantle from theresa may and she resigned about may time because she broke the ministerial code because she lied to parliament and she admitted that she couldn't have a handle on what was happened the home office and four months later for her to be appointed as such a state for work for pensions face to all those victims of the in a scandal because for two main reasons firstly the government will be proposing a compensation scheme in the year martin for q.c. has been advising the government on this one the key issues the compensation scheme and lots of petition because my concern was that the government might put a cap on all claims. been affected by scandal and this someone is on universal

credits or receiving state pension which administered by the that we pay obviously under rudd been the central state will have some degree of influence and responsibility i believe the compensation scheme of someone who has been affected by when a scandal who was refused benefits or they state pension because of their not proving that they were british and that's been sorted out they should be given the full compensation for the financial loss the loss them and the loss in terms of benefits accrue to them and close nor whereby on the road who would oversee in the hostile environment in a new job such a state could turn run say to the home office or to the treasury actually i'm not in the i will make sure that people still being penalized for. receiving benefits because the because work up after what you want is justice they want to be firstly to sort out those people who are british so the kind of their status sorts that the ones of or in my petition i did six months ago it was automatic status because as a explain the state has everything on this the have more information public up next

it's probably facebook but they have on this from penn. records are school records you know so therefore there's no need for rushes to. build the paper to prove that it is their petition and secondly to have a fair compensation scheme for the emotional and financial loss that people have endured when we just heard that there seems to be a moment of race involved in this whole saga invented as a job it is now revealed some wrongly deported have since died and they don't have records on the numbers that have died since people have been wrongly deported yes eleven people have over there but have died two have died in the u.k. o'connor and text of bristol so i think it's outrageous it's one of the biggest miscarriages of justice for a very long time to raise money for their funerals and top of that because the government refused from this whole scandal even though the polls are ten thousand times they refused to have

a heart fund or an interim payments so i looked through go fund me work those would go for me to raise fuel costs for the extra bristol. on behalf of his mother mrs bristol and also for sarah connor some of us in fact the public the public understood the plight they make contributions and on top of that i'm working with a charity called you i don't comes with of immigrants and we launched a windows justice fund raise about sixty thousand pounds because when we go out small grant secure into groups who are advising people around the status because a lot people even now a lot people have come forward to the home office because the launches the home office which will encourage people to get legal advice support systems before their concert the home office obviously the conversation will be too late then for those who have died but. because you have a couple of those talking about missing funerals and weddings and yes because of it how can you possibly call for it's more than a decade of that. it's hard to fall who's accused see been appointed by the

government he's looked into all these make quite a few the victims of the one the scandals trumped up and down the country just trying to find out that what. rose it's difficult because each case is different how do you what what someone who's died who started a hypertension or cardiac arrest because they were stressed up trying to prove the british how much. waldo not allowed to travel for about ten fifteen years and some people who are not allowed to come back into the u.k. at all just just finally what would you say then to trays of a who i'm not sure she actually apologized for what she said in the context of her hostile environment speech she's apologized to the victims of when rush but she's not apologize her policy and her policy has led to the scandal so until she apologizes that would be part of me that blunt was being with her respect of us as promised or not matter of honor thank you after the break twenty four hours after a meeting of the e.u. twenty seven to decide on

a final break that agreement we ask or the neo liberalism arguably made the referendum result in all the more going on but to have going underground. us veterans who come back from war often tell the same stories. we're going after the people who were killing civilians they were not interested in the wellbeing of their own soldiers either they're already several generations of them so i just got this memo from a certain that says we're going to attack and destroy the government and in seven countries in five years americans pay for the wars with their money others with their lives if we were willing to go into harm's way and willing to risk being killed for a war surely we can risk some discomfort or an easy.

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welcome back lead as a twenty seven e.u. countries are met in brussels in the past twenty four hours to determine the future of brics it but how did it come to this a new book aims to dispel the neoliberal myth that it was all about immigration of letting a push and laying the blame at the feet of neo liberalism itself the book is the future of everything big audacious ideas for a better world and its author tim double joins me now via skype from australia tim thanks for coming on so you think it's forty is policies not so much the russians or facebook advertising that got britain voting to leave the european union i think without a doubt expected to sign here where you know we're getting new stories about why the russians. are affecting you know trying to spread bad news the muslim it in aggression and everything in my argument on that would be you don't need russian books to be spreading that information we've got a government that's doing it at the moment we've got niger news outlets that are

very happy to spread misinformation. about muslim immigration etc so the work and all of that is. connected to this forty years of. the chinese as in have got the wire saudis organise under the influence of now liberalism i think and if one aspect of new liberalism is as you show it to be is is the prioritize a should have individual is a particular sort of individual isn't it so less dense hard to this notion of trade on acquiring to choice in a market plot and i think that's a very limited idea of what freud i'm actually is and the not sure of the now liberal project is that it commodifies things that probably shouldn't because commodified or hadn't traditionally bank modified so everything from education to child care that sort of thing so you end up with you know they're no longer describe to students they're described as customers or as cloth. and that sort of

thing and so it's an individual his own that's very much to find within market and i should have this i there's a lot of joy in this book because the joys in fact the last chapter but there's also obviously a lot of sadness to the graeme felt our inquiry is going on here into the worst how a book fire since since the blitz you you talk about it as an example in the context of david cameron former british prime minister telling the u.k. he would kill off the quote from and kill off health and safety culture for good take us through that it's an incredible what is not only not you know you hear it in the context in which he said it and it's you know it's a get tough on red tide and you know let's have smaller government and open up this entrepreneurial spirit that i've been talking about but then you say the actual effects of that in something like the grenfell carol far and it's a tragedy and it's. exactly that winding back at the start of the controls

on things like the cladding but i want buildings mike can show that this site that cetra. is inevitably the. these kind of now liberal monserrat whites and that the national that this is in sing in the throat and is kind of a sick jarkko thing and you accuse the liberal governments of using the public's disorientation to implement what naomi klein has been on this show calls the shock doctrine. yes exactly it's as as it might things worse it uses that on the deteriorating circumstances in order to reinforce the program that i want to do you know it's that old story of never let a disaster go to a wise sort of thing so when people are really concerned and put off on the circumstances in which by far themselves that it actually marks the moment if you

will and we're saying governments do this you know on a regular bus i think especially around things like national security yeah and that manipulation you go into as regards media which you see as a. construct you compare fox news i'm sure they deny it to to nazi propaganda but the interesting thing here is you say there's a conscious appeal to smaller audiences on t.v. who have a have a more hardcore philosophy i think it's really interesting are caught. the managing director of fox news at the time talking about that and he likes the point that you're much better off having a small daily data kited kind of minority ago a group of people who follow you anywhere sort of thing than to have a wishy washy majority in your support and fox news works very much on that. on that national it targets that particular right wing conservative view of in the

united states and it's been incredibly successful at doing that and you know it's not just a political propaganda tool doubts definitely that it's also a pretty good business. all in a bus three days timbered is the the greater the world wide web has been complaining about monopoly media coming through the internet is it would jeremy call been apparently wants to have some control over the multi-billion dollar into that companies you do consider them as public utilities that come to be regulated so much as being nationalized oh it's absolutely i think there's this real issue is around breaking the law because actually the why the work is advantages in shaping the big in that sense but they've they've really become you know we talk about banks thing but it took it to file i think the place companies are becoming is to take place i spoke is the county too big to bait a product company it's simply too much power in a communication same in the hands of an individual company and within that company

mark zuckerberg and so it's particularly powerful because of the watch on the voting options were within five he really does have altman control and i just think that's a very dire situation for a lot proceed to get into yet so given democracy is at the heart of the book what would you do with our house of lords for instance well that has a lot as a really interesting example of the. section on government that i talk about in the book i put forward this idea that's called saltation which is the idea of having a non-elected halse saw talk about it in an australian context for instance perhaps converting asin to a normal active house so instead of dodging for a senator. you would on a random route tied in by success in the in the same way that we do jury judy you would allow ordinary people to have a role within the senate rather than thought to mean and but you know it's kind of

occurs to me that you sort of do that already in britain with the with the house of lords it's an unelected behalf the only thing is you restrict it so. that will do a lot of it you know it would actually be a reasonably incremental chimes. to alter that so the bigger ranch of purple were allowed to not quite i think if this is quite a basis on of the sense of. rage building democracy from the ground up and letting ordinary people into those positions you think that in this local people's house the as a lloyd's would be less likely to say see that fundamental economic statistic g.d.p. as being the best metric to measure civilisation well i think it opens up the opportunity to give people the chance to consider alternatives to things like jaded now judy plays a is a useful measure it's the what it's one of the whys in which the stipe is idle to

say itself in a statistical sense you know it reduces the complexity of the economy and society to something that we can hold in the hands of it welcome mat dollars to geography and that's a useful thing but the trouble with trade a playdate is that it only measures very particular things and there's a lot of important things that it laid out including most of the informal economy you know so the stuff that we do. in our house also when we volunteer in society etc etc doesn't measure dollars things it doesn't measure the good we do in dollars why is it only measures you know income and growth and that sort of stuff and you know stites. if you don't measure it by don't say it sort of thing so. you end up with a very narrow our focus on what counts as important in society what counts as important is the stuff that you measure so it sort of makes sense to her increase the things that we measure and we're saying you know we're actually saying

a number of governments during this new zealand's experimenting with the happiness index of them on an increasing the rhonj of things that they put it looks at italy's experimenting with one. michael naturally they called little choice if they saw misha as well start on starts are looking at improving the wiat or broadening the why the mission what constitutes. an economy and i think that's a really good think so in the context as you saw with that with the house of lords this is exactly the sort of the bite that you could happen you could have big sports come in and talk to the members of the people's house on about this sort of stuff and you know what they might that sort of decision pretty sure fellini was being ironic. but given the climate change given that the climate change is taking you seem to be favoring a change from within like like you just said there with that with the people's

house you don't accept the real change is only ever really a good. through political violence that is a very strong argument that that's true i think it's probably a slight exaggeration but those really fundamental charges especially around things like equality taint to only happen when those who really benefit from the laws. mismeasure those that happen in society when they it's sort of taken at of the question and that you know that tends to page in walls and revolutions and haven. you know apply and that sort of thing so when society fundamentally collapses for one reason or another so you know we kind of had to go through two world wars to get to the point in the in the postwar period the fifty's and sixty's where inequality really kind back to manageable levels and we kind of had you know people's you know i think it's an exaggeration to call it

a golden period but it was a it was of the teacher would period of relative quality my argument in the book is that i would prefer not to go through that sort of fall. and so i'm putting forward our ideas on a process for which we can avoid that thoughts because you know i was sort of like pretty clear in the book that i think that's the alternative if if we don't mike there's the citizens s.-o. and actually typed it in hand. them we are relating to fault him done well thank you that's it for the show will be back on wednesday with coverage of this week's russia brick through business forum is about giving the releases stress tests for barclays h.s.b.c. lloyds nationwide. java until then keep in touch by social media with your own was a twenty eight years to the day margaret thatcher responsible for widespread financial deregulation that arguably sowed the seeds for the two of you a crash resigned as u.k. prime minister.

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