hello and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle what is the next step for the saga known as drags it also is

a stage being said to finally end the syrian conflict and why is m i six scrambling to stop trying to. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with international and we have all three of them choke he is deputy dean at the department of political science at moscow state university all right gentlemen crossed roles in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate that let me go to you first here well it's done at least this stage a break that the european union has accepted to resumes deal the problem is it doesn't look like the deal has been accepted in her own country yet has to face parliament and there's a lot of. squabbling to say the least that it won't. true but what is the

context of all of this here because you know i was trained as a historian we had the concept of the concert of europe we had balance of power in europe is that balance gone now well that this balance is not all was the same it made changes over time and i can remind you of the time the times of shot a target is targeted to go all over when he tried to prevent the british accession to the use only when he was no longer president britain joined to join the european union europe european community european economy and that he would be a great konami community and then that you and i saw you so maybe now that he. said the next step of history we got going back to the time when british britain was. the european community but if we talk about nowadays developments i can say that. the british prime minister is trying to play a double game because there are too many stakeholders too many interests and i was

sure there will be a deal and then there is a deal about but we've talked about this before no deal is better than a compromise or a compromise but a new you know deal was not an option because any compromise is better than no deal because everyone will be worse off if there is not ok mark is the scenting i know that i know that looking. for a doctor i completely disagree and a deal that makes britain subservient to eat you regulations and control without giving them any rep representation politically makes them a second class colony it's the worst of both worlds voters voted for it brags that they get the e.u. control and the lack of sovereignty that they want it away from and they don't get the economic benefits that they as strongly as they still might have liked so i see it as the absolute worst of boss will leave the parliament is going to agree with him exempted oh i think the viewers of all program. you know my if you saw i feel

kind of indicated that if you could prove to them i was suspicions so far and i wouldn't tell you what happened was that you made it a sample you know they they wanted to make it as difficult for britain to relieve the whitney was no no no why wouldn't they and i went and told that this was a preview and you know venetians based on. the span of the previous models and now we see that this is a co-host which is not only because it was going i don't think everybody understood it i think it's the hotel california you know you can never leave me here ok last word on this the same time followed very smart way of doing that they said let's agree on principles and let's discuss details later so the devil may be in the details and british may negotiate and haggle about the details that are favorable but the end of the day trust me he can sign any piece of paper if he

wants but parliament doesn't is going to follow the law so we can i get is going to overreach and i just isn't there to cost forty eight billion dollars. sixty billion my ride is still i'm still wondering if if. this terrible deal rejected scenario is not intended to lead to and that's why we're going to reconnoitre that's right mark will probably be talking about this next week ok let's switch gears here but there is movement you wouldn't find this out in the mainstream media was going on with the lippo what's going on with moving towards peace. well we're not moving towards peace in syria we've just moved to a new and far more dangerous stage in the conflict and right now we essentially have a frozen conflict a three way mexican standoff between syria with their allies the russian government iran and hezbollah. the guns regime and turkey

backing the islamic jihad ists both officially their proxy forces on an officially particularly in province where there's a demilitarized zone and the us backing the syrian democratic forces the which is largely the kurds the p.k. k. in eastern syria basically occupying eastern syria and of course syria's oil fields and this d.m.z. agreement between russia and turkey essentially with with the syrian government and the. jihadi rebels not actually being a party to the talks as far as anyone can tell as we predicted on the show it's completely falling apart for the same reason that every other deals want to part is that nonetheless the rebels are all. begins the damascus government is preparing some kind of operation to begin the liberation of the well just.

just just in the last week. was warmed by. you know basically chemical weapons were used most likely by. it did not make big news in the western television but it certainly made big news in syria i saw there not reporting that the rebels are. the reason and there's no reason and the shells came from the from the supposedly peaceful demilitarized zone that they're united states and that you were so concerned about my book made me especially angry it was the fact that the united states impulse sanctions on the oil companies so that supplied fuel to see it can you imagine you know post-war europe one thousand nine hundred sixty nine forty seven some would say old because we're not quite happy with the political situation in europe any company that supplies fuel would do. devastated germany or two other countries will be penalize

and this is exactly what this is exactly what michael compel said you know imposing the sanctions on the syrian and iranian and russian companies he said. today u.s. treasury action targeting the russia iran will scheme to grow assad and finance his bar and hamas sends a clear message there are grave consequences for anyone shipping oil to see them us well he puts them together i don't know what helium method you carry a state that's seventy years it doesn't mean taking haley will never leave what you have to. in order to justify the fact that the us is now sanctioning trade oil trade and there's no reason for the us to sanction. it while there is a reason of course it's occupying syria's oil fields and it doesn't want the syrian government getting oil told us they allow them to rebuild their country so they're

not allowed to import you are no longer allowed to collect to conduct. free trade global trade if it doesn't meet u.s. approval because if you conduct trade that doesn't meet u.s. approval you will now be sanctioned that's what i'm paying these entities and these companies are going to continue to do it irrespective of the saying this is why i always say if you want to go down the sanction rabbit hole your likelihood of success is quite limited. now well if we think about syrian conflict launched chicago scale context i would say that even if not all of the situation is frozen and there are several several issues still that you mentioned there was only agreement between a russia and turkey maybe with considering a serious approach but there were no other parties who are concerned about the conflict they were not involved until the making of this decision so they may prevent this decision from being implemented so a situation is very unstable and even if this conflict is frozen you to only gives

time to both sides to accumulate to their potential t.v. i want to a much more for the in the gauge meant in the diplomacy we still have in istanbul we had mccrone we had merkel go there meet with the one with president putin. these initiatives are difficult but they're. they have traction and i'm i believe it ok it has to happen there actually has been and i was even more traction with the arab governments with the u.a.e. talking about reestablishing a embassy in syria and this shows that the gulf states have basically given up the proxy war and they're coming to terms with them sometimes the saudi written so we still have other things to think about you know. also when we say frozen conflict i said frozen conflict it's of course that's only rhetorical you're not actually frozen it's not the rebel jihad is al qaeda in our weekly conducting attacks

took us to the west in the lead thought. to the south into a home our. to the east into west aleppo with dimensions with these chlorine artillery shells so it's only frozen. political agreement not to go direct russians are actually more russian are going to russia crossed a very important thresholds last week because the russian fourteen used to say we are the wrigley and he was the united states of acting as an ally of the so-called islamic state at least on the territory of c.b. and it's it's i think it was very painful for him because for years for me i mean for years the years that we would have cooperation with the united states by terrorists now if only because we all are supposed to do marginally you can amend it all you want to that's what you suppose i think i think and i think it's a positive development because if you look at this situation marcus right u.a.e. is talking about reopening the embassy in turkey and the wrong perineal enormous.

on doing something in syria you know for settlement who are who is absolutely insisting on regime change the e.u. and the united states supposed to them all civilized western nations you know after everything we've gone through in my last word before we go to break yeah well we're just entering a new stage of the conflict and be prepared that if there is a military operation extremely fortified territory with the turkish military heavily entrenched there along of their jihadi s. and it will be more difficult than tackling isis was this is why there is such reticence and it may lead to direct turkish russia where it will return to this topic very soon here we're going to go to a short break gentlemen and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with.

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troops the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. you know. i'm one of them but i think it's ended up by a cool one when names we're buddies. gave . one of them one night he should have been there so. i don't want that i or i can't listen to me as a nation you know that i'm looking at the fear i am close to whom he could feel

that he had to combat the night he made a move a photo of the man that he can. i don't know how to. welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter yvel to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let me go to you mark i just speak real quickly because the story's ongoing and my six is trying to stop trump from releasing the five of warrants. in documentation because well they're implicated in so we have u.k. meddling in the american election two thousand and sixteen i suppose. the reason why trump decided not to release them in september like he said he would is

that he's waiting for the mole or report is going to have his findings trump is going to have a trump card. to have to counter whatever findings that molar and the british are furious about yeah i mean there there is a danger of the u.k. being far more factually implicated meddling in the us elections like like should have been obvious to anyone and their connections with the steel dossier and this being the basis for launching what would then become the mueller pro basically discrediting all of it so trumpet is playing for the best possible time i believe to release these and it will be effectively a refutation not that we have any evidence that mueller has released any indictments or anything that would actually prove low at a low hanging fruit walking what the investigation was supposed to be about which was trumped russia collusion and you know we've got mad for it for back taxes we've

got a couple guys lying about things that weren't crimes and and. you know that there's nothing serious in there but you know the there is still this holy grail mission that the mule report is supposed to discredit the trumpet ministration and lead to a democratic party victory in two thousand and twenty if not impeachment beforehand and with the democrats again and again i keep seeing hillary clinton's name popping up as the only possible one who could be trapped in twenty twenty and i'm like this is you know the definite to the you know common definition of madness doing things again and again and expecting it if you're from. some political has a very powerful cards to play if you wants well it's very simple you know the whole story is just made up the whole what you heard first on this program ok i'm going to continue i mean the. point is there unfortunately m i six

is the last institution that is not biased in that all of this situation i mean we have heard from the explain that. from their head of the british general staff marc cult and you know that you know by six that's not that my six but that's that's the guy who is supposed to be walking together with my sister they have british military intelligence so here's what he says russia is much more dangerous than this one makes the russian and has embarked on a systematic effort to explore and exploit western vulnerabilities but security in some of the nontraditional areas of cyber space to see warfare and the whole well you remember their idea that russia was somehow going to cut the cables connecting europe to the united states and this is serious you know it was stated as fact this do fans have a serious over the years it was. a date myself this was said in the one nine hundred eighty s.

where they have to get gas pipelines to believe this then you're going to believe rashid. if you can believe anything i think. put it very well on the on the page he wrote it's not too late for some institutions like the new york times and c.n.n. to change their editors and producers and go back to reporting they really instead of functioning as meals for every out sounding d.-a genes but do they gave humanities departments and the courts well the problem is that they won't stop acting as if the interesting thing is that we hear from the british defense establishment that russia is a real threat but six is doing everything that came into effect regime change in the united states so that is that what you do to friends. you know. we had to switch gears here g. twenty is coming up in the reason why i'm mentioning g. twenty is that there is going to be well some interesting red faces i'm going to

imagine with some of the guests that i think you know or i'm going well i think. has already changed the me due east because quietly quietly the siege of qatar is lifted so this man did not die for nothing quietly quietly. saying that it was the man and crew war that killed. the royal family you know as the u.s. and diligent and credits. yeah but i mean you can justify anything anything when we could make a separate program on who makes the world grew exam care it's a good question you know but i mean this is going to be it's very interesting here is that the the the fact is that trump administration wants to rehabilitate the saudi crown prince and it's coming up against a lot of resistance yeah i mean trouble is basically ignoring this dossier so i just like this there would have been i think it's actually pretty sure until he

said it was ridiculous cares right now about. you know so i guess that and i mean there is a point i mean it's obvious that hayes augie wasn't some innocent journal he was a player he was a protege of the former intelligence chief of a former presume the crown prince and he was evidently involved in all kinds of initiatives with the cia to lay the groundwork against muhammad been solved and so i mean you know with that with n.g.o.s and initiatives that he was setting up so that he was a player you know of course that doesn't excuse what he did and trump is obviously following along with his you know campaign rhetoric which was saudi arabia and israel first or something like that. but i mean there is what you're talking about of the g. twenty is is of course of muhammad been saw and is going to be around trying to go around and smiling and shaking hands and pretending like nothing happened i think to just you know. play you know what he did i think he ought to sit down at the

table in the g. twenty and just lay our bones sawed out on the table when you are come on martin you know but the point is that trump said wes payne didn't wear stained. or visually he was standing there at the table when they were doing these think you know he was not just painted by he's saying that he is then didn't we wake up. we the government of ukraine what is that in the in the interesting thing here is that i guess the kind of the oddity of trump's characterizations. murder and the regime in riyadh is that he's basically saying his words reflect reality because foreign policy is not based on values it's based on us interests ok sure he said. he said in a very awkward way but he's probably the first president separate said it and that's really interesting in itself it's refreshing in a way well in a weird way you have marked change so for me ok president trump is still

a business pro-business man he's very pragmatic so he is free and so it certainly is not transactional everything that is so business first. in this case he i think it tries to create as much uncertainty as possible saying maybe yes maybe no we don't know exactly who is guilty who is nort why the decision was made and so on so for him to but that's really odd rhetoric from a guy that always know what's right and what's wrong i mean that's the only topic i think he's ever come across like he was all so much like he wants to keep any option open for him which is for the steps the market is. something that's going to. pull troops foreign policy initiatives in the middle east down i mean the great the great bargain with the israelis the saudis i mean you know it's only two people now you know it's bibi netanyahu in trumpet or. so i mean orders of the crown prince and yeah and netanyahu i think is certainly doing

a lot to prevent the closed doors to prevent and discourage the u.s. from doing anything and let's be perfectly honest trumps told in rhetoric are you know one thing but no other u.s. president is going to substantially decrease u.s. relations with saudi arabia because of this they they simply would have might have preferred to see a different evil crown prince in saudi arabia but all is not. a lovey dubby here because with these saudi arabia was clearly counting on these oil sanctions against iran and other countries remember the backdrop of all of this that israel and saudi arabia want is the u.s. to go to conflict with iraq or right and these oil waivers that trump granted its allies you know you know japan turkey iraq saudi arabia you know well it

only got one right but you know india and china countries that obviously weren't going to fall out anyway has dropped the oil price because the markets were expecting these sanctions and the oil price went up and now it dropped another like twenty dollars a barrel saudis are very unhappy about this because they're but budget is still very precariously balanced and overspent so they're very they think that the trump administration has betrayed them by granting waivers to its allies when it was counting on a high oil price to carry it through well there may be a way we're still some of the allies by michael pounds for the vice president to use some very tough rhetoric against china right because we're going to be another interesting meeting exactly that see what the g. twenty. story with oil prices. has said that we slapped arius on the cheney's groups vote with two hundred fifty billion dollars and we want china to change its behavior well that's a nice way to put. you know russia and china they have to behave like normal

nations this is what we do and i'm going to you know it's a little bit of like you know countries that you know that's a good question and i think a lot of the. what does it mean exactly behaving like a normal state to take in iraq you know what it is you know. but i don't think they don't see it but see the american political elite don't see they can't see the irony in it all because this kind of moral righteousness ok again going back to trump's kind of weird transparent. reflections and descriptions of u.s. relations with saudi arabia i mean he doesn't use this word we're doing it for human rights we're doing it for democracy at least he's not said that ok but someone like pensive stripe certainly does believe that because only the american way is the only way it is the only right way the point is that. russia and china have to

survive together in this situation because both targeted by the united states and all their attempts to cut the deal somehow separate yourself from the millionaires and left the station it's impossible so i think these did when to me and when meeting will show what the real decks to positional forces if china tries to survive alone well the interesting thing is is that trump leaves that the u.s. should lead but will end on this note if you were a people people are following ok that's all the time we have many thanks to my guests here of moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember crosstalk. please god can start now and again for people that. like. so vampire camp is like

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