last guy from seoul and south korea's nobel laureate emeritus professor reich one chong former principal advisor on climate change the u.n. secretary general in south korea climate change and data he's also on the global energy prize and the national award committee is dubs reviving me a putin thanks for coming on the program ambassador the u.s. president of trump said in the washington post when you were talking about the atmosphere oceans a very small fee understand the kind of work you've done for the u.n. secretary in the past i think you know many people have with your views but it is a collectible uses of the global community. the climate change is real in the heavy and. just ahead a report from i.p.c.c. intergovernmental panel on climate change it last month there. be changes getting worse and we don't have to go to the report actually we felt it in or around the world last summer at the effect the very interestingly the number one country suffering from the damage from climate change especially war could relate to that

answer was the united states suffering from hurricanes and it is more to china and japan us offering more of the from the climate change impact already and the there's not going to flooding or from work if you look at just the above or so while the fire here california suffering terribly already so are these kind of a climate impact is already apparent thought on the war so i don't think we have a dispute over i don't think it is an issue are science but it's an issue of politics and some people wants to see the downside of the climate change and some people are still sit up on the positive side of the because many people believe that climate action is going to damage the economy but there are some other people who are looking into the possibility that climate in pick who in fact can all put on the courtroom before economic innovations and a new market and even economic growth and employment the easy with the jump in.

ministration obviously now dismissing a report of federal agencies with the three hundred leading environmental scientists climate scientists contributing to it is it up to brics countries to take the lead yeah our many countries are especially if you look at the chinese roar of china in our lead there are many of your heard and or our economic innovations are also very personally coming from china solar and wind and that they are the war believe there are more than a ploy or a city for your energy and it is northern china and india is also a katrina and a brush it is also one of the leaders of energy. also the other countries are just more the us this is not. simply because of perceived them or the from climate impacts but he is because of the economy case the renewable energy is making because new energy is already approaching the prosperity we have for so if your and

them know what they are even getting into the police mature stage where there are either parity is even comparable or you can also feel so in many parts of the word this you know energy is already appearing as a very serious alternative for renewable fuel and that they are even getting a new body not electricity at a cheaper price so at least because of the economy case not because only from the climate protections case state subsidy is heavily involved now in these new projects real keynesianism just explained to me h b d c which is the european union i understand a grant of maybe i don't know up to half a billion euros the asian super grid project we don't really hear much about these the initiatives here in britain what are they what is h.b.c. in short some people call it super good either. because it is sending you let your . across thousands of kilometers away by cars in our several power hookers away

this was a something or miserable some years ago because of the transmission loss when you send electricity you lose electricity so you are because of this kind of losses it was not a measure of amount sense to the cumulative. effect. or to educate the community if we can send the electricity thousands of kilometers of me there are many many mines in your meaning in that this if your first mission loss' so now we have a. tool for our men which means that we can you tell us many desert areas and the more areas are under were like a soccer there's are or will be dancer or even center asia on the plains and it pumped into a powerhouse and then it can transmit to your energy across the war so this new committee which is called the super can either can play

a very interesting role or in stimulate the in the transition from a conventional force of fuel economy who was a low carbon economy so this is why even some businesses interest the vote it infected the course the company in the war there has been promoting your support without you know aids or some of the bunker of japan and the chamomile so to so has been promoting the idea of asia supposedly doubling any moment leah to china japan and korea but i am personally now proposing another idea of linking china center asia and europe sewall supra with that which means that the name did as a secret the super leader which means that the central asian countries in and that's the or this countries can become the into any power house or you know energy and then they can ascend large issues huge ball you go a size of that pacific to. china japan korea and europe so history will be

a very interesting game changer and the paradigm shift over the last couple society i mean just to be clear this is so revolutionary one could foresee solar panel in this are a desert and the whole of the world's energy needs would be from renewables yes right so for the reason that there's a tech the name of the project what there is at the tech which was our energy at the from saddam that idea was didn't make much progress or only reason was because the chicken or the problem our long distance service mission but recently didn't last two to three years now we have solved the pecking order problem of transmission losses this is why now many people are looking into a new opportunity opened by the u.s. as the second merger of send the electricity if long distances so it's a matter are just going to surely come an issue but it's a matter of political issue and you can see in saw her think there's

a political issues. or that the is in question but that's why i'm proposing sirico the super good either can be a very interesting valuable and the politically feasible option for countries in europe and foggiest for your energy transition z. i know britain forty thousand people may die this year because of particular pollution all we hear in britain is that china's the polluting country beijing and shanghai are terribly polluted cities and that britain is in the lead they're all in this and britain certainly hasn't publicly come out even from the melbourne road and they are so on are many people are or pointing the fingers for the air pollution in china but your step to the north of their chinese government has been ticking were so very decisive actions he did simply because of the huge scale of their origin issue but very interestingly the. prince oh chinese air pollution is

a showing of them at the moment people should look at the bright side of the symbol lane because chinese government sort of very much aware about the issue and that they are taking a very decisive actions on it so i am more impressed by it there but it is decisive action which cannot be found in any other country or on the work chinese are showing them or seem pressing the example of a clean energy and of human energy leadership or how they were and that they are forty percent thought. energy best money is coming from china so we're to see that not positive side as well double neutral safina point in their pollution at the core of stingy so the long run chinese really make a very impressive improvement i think you'd be fastest in the history of humor kind of development are just very briefly now perhaps even more fundamental than all of that is the ideas that they you wrote about in your greed growth concept we've heard in the from the bank of england about brics if here your economic modeling

software would have to be very different presumably than the bank of england right now we may see some of those arms here who certainly don't subsidise like your green growth concept and the news briefly of planet earth yeah i've been proposing the agreement of say the year which was inspired by professor paul you kings and then imperial college it and the idea is that we can shift our expats from income to air pollution and that's our source consumption then we can have a double digit them which means that we can lower their mission and we can stimulate the economy and jobs this is up over the weekend that the beach has been promoted by many scholars and the idea of the grossest to realise you stole to them they fear so when we have a proper shifting or reform of our structures then i think our argument is that we can have or we can achieve yes. so addition as well as job

creation and so many governments that means they've creature needs a lot more priority and i think we're actually actually four i think we can do it professor reich went wrong thank you well u.k. prime minister's questions this week wasn't so much about saving the planet from catastrophe with ready solutions as impending failure of tourism is defacto minority government and the brics it voted following a t.v. debate between jeremy corbin the prime minister but a shadow hung over parliament in britain death a friend of going underground the world war two veteran harriers this myth the whole house wish to pass our condolences as well to the family and friends of harry leslie smith given the late veteran's damnation of to raise amazed policies the favorite to be britain's next prime minister was perhaps predictably less muted i also misspeak i want to pay tribute to my friend harry leslie smith. harry passed away early this morning in canada harry also served in the war he was an

irrepressible campaigner for the rights of refugees for the welfare state and run national health service he was passionate about the principle of health care for all as a human right we thank you harry for his life and his work will be paying our own tribute by repeating going underground's interviews with the tireless and in your liberalism campaign or in a future edition of the show here is the world war two veteran on seventy years since the day the government seem to feel that austerity is the only way to. resurrect a good standard of living and it certainly isn't because it's just making more and more poor people. it's. it frightening actually and. i. don't what they and. i'm not a politician. i am history and in my book tried to

describe to people what it was like and how it could be again unless we. were to bring god against it after the break as the e.u. contemplates yet more economic war with moscow we talk to russia's presidential commission and russia's trade on the voice of the u.k. about british business in the largest country on earth that's all coming up in part two of going underground. in a world with big partisan. and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle

for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. what politicians to do something to. put themselves on the line they did accept the reject. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to press. you to go right to the press it's like the full three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters about how. things should. be we should start the game with this because we're really can call put the chancellor merkel runs has said we have a lot of religious between germany and europe and russia and to

the story of bridge truth is quite easy in gravity force. but to really prove a month paid to her lots of. welcome back you gave back to your cranium president petro poroshenko doesn't only want martial law he's today urging nato nations like britain to send warships to the sea of as oved to provide security against russia but here in london the talk at this week's russian british business forum in the queen elizabeth the second center media partnered by all the tea has been forging closer ties between russia and the u.k. we spoke to russian trade envoy to britain boris abramoff who with more than twenty years experience in shaping russian you can only cooperation advocates for a new era of trade in the face of to raise amaze anxious trade on the boy i suppose your message here is that we shouldn't always believe what we're reading in the newspapers and that things aren't as bad between london and moscow as you might

think from the media yes actually said paradox the contrast between the political climate and the real development. trade relations between our two countries in the first nine months of this year we saw an almost twenty nine percent groove in comparison with the same period last year and we expect that by the end of the year we will exceed below fourteen billion us dollars in trade to know of between our two countries but we see that the reason for this is that actually the main obstacle for the business development is uncertainty what we see in the british situation. but in our little relief everything is absolutely clear. called just iraq in by little political relations but these sanctions regime or all the

declarations made by the political leaders the set the rules they said the limits but if you don't exceed the limits everything is free and everything is available for businesses in both countries because it would be at the russia business u.k. business forum you said that the u.k. is one of russia's main trade partners i thought it was all brics that's where the russian federation. no home. britain is a very large market market for their russian exports. of course the majority of the line portion of russian export which it goes to britain is cobbles. still largely dependent you know by little trade relations on oil and

gas but also we see the increase of the resource. and ajijic exports from russia these means that there are areas of common interests we teach. drive will be a little trade does break said he said that it creates uncertainty is that a problem when being trade on void not very much because now russia is out of e.u. . britain will. exit e.u. saw we will be part of. the britain can do it a negotiation because we know from the west minister context if we raise and we agree yes saw we think this is will create

an opportunity for both countries britain we will have to search for new markets. russia is a free markets that britain can not ignore but what relations do you have as a trade ovoid with the trade department here i mean this is jury mind you of the context when the head of the british army doesn't think the head of the british army is saying russia poses a greater threat to the safety of british subjects than i says they have and you have a relationship with the trade to pick up india this is they have the burdocks or all of their total data reality yes i think they have the there is too cute to believe dialogue with russia is more practical for example it was a couple of years ago because britain after the break as it will have to form new relations with or all comers of the war including russia.

these means that the dialogue should be continue and even with the russia they mean . he. will walk board of the british d.a.p. and our ministry to promote bilateral trade but as an envoy you have to be very aware that sanctions new sanctions come up every other day frightening investment in bilateral trade yes. political climate is all of this is very disappointing but. the business relations they are talking about very creed things about goods about services about payments. these diable bit in business. to countries is not politicized and you see trading

increasing with britain and the european union at the same time you. yes sure with the whole world so do you see kind of irony that a british business trying to invest in say a russian chinese corporate corporation business somehow sanctions going to affect british business through that way and it's bad for british business you know the sanctions are very clear if you see at this fear which in store. if you walk in the digital economy reveal business medicine education everything is. not only a lot but it is supported by a british government and the russian trade only thank you thank you so much well of russia's trade on voyager britain think sanctions don't have to be a deal breaker even after theresa may backs more economic warfare at the e.u.

council this month what about russia's characterization as a math state that's what i asked russian presidential commission a teacher of at this week's london conference presidential commission that russia in this country in the media is characterized as being a mafia state how can a small business written about you with a new doing business in the twenty years ago when they first came to london that i was a businessman and i made first my joint venture with my british partners but look what happened since then all the british big companies brands and the russian they all invested during or since ninety's the russian russian people i hear everywhere i mean that they educate their children here they come with investment and restate they did live here so and now again twenty years bust now where you get the much

at the macro level you think if the i.m.f. was still running russia or they would be. in the press. to some extent yes but what happens is m.f. is still running which don't you think that we don't need their credit because we are quite wealthy we don't have any debt anymore to anybody in the world but the economical policies interest rate hard financial policies the world changed from that i mean he wanted to easing is the main word and economical policies of britain united states you were china or japan but russia is still very hard on the financial policy and they love it and international monetary fund in the world bank they love it but usually good usually when they ever have that's what i'm giving head skeletor of the suspicious because we are offering another economical policies

to russia q.e. for russia but if you're a small to medium sized enterprises here in britain you're going to be thinking not just about your use of chemical weapons to kill people here you're going to be thinking about you have to know people in russia or in government these big monopolies they connected to government say that actually there is this free trade free business negotiation in via course small businesses are more influenced russia is not very developed in so called economy of. small things nails hammers furniture. wood processing plastic processing all these things which small and medium businesses the g twenty is going are surprised that the british government is not fostering closer ties with russia in a push brics future. i think british government is some kind of an

in the narrow corridor they made by themself and their politics and they don't. think about in an economical way about business opportunities. look at years saying this guy is really a business i mean he's protecting business anyway so business is important and when britain is ignoring the possibility even more putting more problems to british businesses for the future because of the political reasons i think it's not very waits for them the british government would say that's because its moral stand on the world stage for the very important they're even publicly endorse the chinese built in a road initiative it didn't go up publicly even to say that the british government way i mean they ignore it what but it's a big wage and then went through i mean you can be in good relations with china on

bad relations with china but you can't ignore what and they're doing and this expansion. expection perchance with this. initiative and it's not bad and we see that chain is bringing more working places to those countries who are now mostly exporting their people and immigrants to europe. if they build more working places there at their homes it is the real way to solve the problem of immigration now to europe so what does britain risk if it continues to politicize the business and i mentioned economically it's a big risk because if you think only about some. it's good to have their principles but you know principles first of all they have to be proven but if you don't consider economical. issues if you don't consider them how your people will

work and where they will work and where they will receive their celebes in the future the principle will not work but if you think given that that's the threat nothing is will things will improve they're bound to improve relations i am what i am and i am differently. saying that there is no way of confrontation and they would not think more their financial and economical issues it's one thing but the other thing is that there is no way politically for that because the world is so small. the world is. from one side is global we all live in the same globe and small and so it can be ruined in one go and in that sense we have to also think mentally and worldwide principles it has

to be a steady growth because the growth of democracy comes after the grove of the middle class of the strength of the middle class middle class and the rush is not so strong at the moment there is our goal to make it good or to. make an economy of russia not will based but based on private initiative competition and small and medium not only small but maybe big and but very competitive businesses presidential commission thank you russian presidential commission of aristide's of speaking to me there on the fringes of this week's russian british business forum and that's it for the show will be back on monday to investigate a factor u.k. backed alleged chemical attack on syria and to speak to brave hearted succession star brian cox patron of and the russian backed russian film week until then people such as social media will see on monday thirty four years to the day of india's bhopal disaster which killed or injured more than six hundred thousand activist

group the yes men would later falsely claim the dow chemical company edge meted responsibility on the u.k. state endangered b.b.c. . the bad the people who run the economy price money the commodity that runs economy they say it's more marked the signs i mean they're just making it up as they go along it means that there is no principle that they are guided by they consider themselves artists because of the self impressionist they consider themselves completely subjective in their view of the world if they can simply raise rates and lower rates based on a whim there's nothing guiding them in economic reality there's no school of economics there's no science behind it it's pure and windy.

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you know what obama will ultimately. be you know. this is off the international and this is central paris right now aboard should be a sea of early christmas shoppers instead a sea of yellow vests as the fuel tax protests and a third wake and riot police close in all correspondence that are also sustained injuries. also this hour with world leaders struggling to.