chung former principal advisor on climate change of the un secretary general in south korea climate change and data he's also on the global energy prize and the national award committee established by vladimir putin thanks for coming on the program ambassador the u.s. president of trump said in the washington post when you were talking about the atmosphere oceans a very small to the understand the kind of work you've done for the u.n. secretary in the past i think you know many people have with their views but it is a collective abuses of the global community. the climate change is real in the heavy and. just ahead a report from i.p.c.c. intergovernmental panel on climate change it last month there. be changes getting worse and we don't have to go to the report actually we felt it in or around the world last summer at the effect the very interestingly the number one country suffering from the damage from climate change especially war could relate to that answer was the united states suffering from hurricanes and it is also china and

japan are suffering most the from the climate change impact already and the there's not only flooding of homework if you look at this the but also why the far year california suffering terribly already so or these kind of a climate impact is already apparent thought on the war so i don't think we have a dispute of our i don't think it is an issue are science but it's an issue of the politics and some people wants to see the downside of the climate change and some people are still sit up on the positive side of the because many people believe that climate action is going to damage the economy but there are some other people who are looking into the possibility that climate in pick who in fact can all put on the courtroom before economic innovations and a new market and even economic growth and the employment the easy with the drum administration obviously now dismissing a report of federal age. he is with the three hundred leading environmental

scientists climate scientists contributing to it is it up to brics countries to take the lead yeah our many countries are especially if you look at the chinese roar of china in our lead there are less money you're her g.m. and or our economic innovations are also very personally coming from china. and when and that they are the war believe there are more employers are looking to the city for your energy and it is northern china and india is also a katrina and a brush it is also one of the leaders of energy. also the other countries are just more the us this is not. simply because of perceived them or the from climate impacts but he is because of the economy case the renewable energy is making because new energy is already approaching the prosperity we have for so if your and them know what they are even getting into the police mature stage where there are

either parity is even competitive or we could also feel so in many parts of the word this renewed energy is already appearing as a very serious alternative for renewable fuel and that they are getting a new body not electricity at a cheaper price so at least because of the economy case not because only from the climate protections case state subsidy is heavily involved now in these new projects real keynesianism just explain to me h v d c which is the european union i understand a grant of maybe i don't know up to half a billion euros the asian super grid project we don't really hear much about these the initiatives here in britain what are they what is h v d.c. sure some people call it super good either. because it is sending electricity across thousands of kilometers away by car. there are several power who has

a way this was a something or miserable some years ago because of the transmission loss where you send electricity you lose electricity so you are because of this kind of losses it was not a measure of amount sense to the camera to direct the board or to chicken out of the camera that we can send the electricity thousands of kilometers of me there are many many mines in your meaning in that this if your mission losses so now we have a. tool for our men which means that we can you tell us many desert areas and remote areas of our who are like a soccer theirs or or who will be a dancer or even generation on the plains and climbed into a powerhouse and that can transmit you know energy across the war so this new committee which is called the super can either can play a very interesting role or in stimulate the in the transition from

a conventional force of fuel economy who was a low carbon economy so this is why even some businesses a fifth of the vote is infected the first company in the war there has been promoting use of superbly there is a some of the bunker of japan and the chamomile so to so has been promoting the idea of asia supposedly doubling any moment leah to china japan and korea but i am personally now proposing another idea of linking china center asia and europe sewell sucralose that which means that the name did as a secret the super leader which means that the central asian countries a and that's the end of it is the or this countries can become the into any powerhouse new energy and then they can ascend large issues huge ball you go a size of that pacific to china japan korea and europe so dissimilar very nice.

sensing game changer and the paradigm shift over the. i mean just to be clear this is so revolutionary one could foresee solar panel in this are a desert and the whole of the world's energy needs would be from renewables yes right so for the reason that there's a tech the name of the project was theirs or the tech which was our as yet the from so out of that idea was didn't make much progress or only reason was because the chicken or the problem are long distance first mission but recently he didn't last two to three years now we have solved the pecking order problem of transmission losses this is why now many people are looking into a new opportunity opened by the us actually the security of said the electricity if long distances so it's a matter are just going to shore economy sure but it's a matter of political issue and you can see in saw her think there's a political issues. or that the is in question but that's why i'm proposing series

called the super good either can be a very interesting valuable and the politically feasible option for countries in europe and foggiest for your energy transition z. i know britain forty thousand people may die this year because of particulate pollution all we hear in britain is that china's the polluting country beijing and shanghai are terribly polluted cities and that britain is in the lead in the war in this and britain certainly hasn't publicly come out even from the melbourne road and who they are so all of the many people are or pointing the fingers for the air pollution in china but you're stuck to the north of their chinese government has been ticking were so very decisive actions he did simply because of the huge scale of their origin issue but very interestingly the trends on chinese air pollution is a showing of their. people should look at the bright side of the symbol lane

because chinese governments of very much aware about the issue and they are taking a very decisive actions on it so i am more impressed by it there but it is decisive action which cannot be found in any other country or on the work chinese are showing the most impressive example of a clean energy and of human energy leadership or how they were and that they are forty percent thought whole energy mess money is coming from china so where are the seed not positive side as well double needs or something a point in their pollution at the core of stingy so in the long run chinese really make a very impressive improvement of which may be fastest in the history of humor kind of development or just very briefly now perhaps even more fundamental than all of that is the ideas that they you wrote about in your greed growth concept we've heard in the from the bank of england about brics if here your economic modeling software would have to be very different presumably than the bank of england right

now we may see some of those arms here we certainly don't subsidize like your green growth concept and it's briefly planet earth yeah i've been proposing the bringer of say the year which was inspired by professor paul you kings and done imperial college it and the idea is that we can shift our expats from income to air pollution and that's our source consumption then we can have a double digit them which means that we can lower their mission and we can stimulate the economy and jobs this is up over the weekend that the teacher has been promoted by many scholars and the idea is to realise you stole to them they hear so when we have a proper shifting or reform of our structures then i think our argument is that we can have or we can achieve a lot. as well as john. sure and. so

many governments that means they need a lot more and i think we're actually actually four i think we can do it professor reich went wrong thank you well u.k. prime minister's questions this week wasn't so much about saving the planet from catastrophe with ready solutions as impending failure of to raise a major factor in minority government and the brics it would following a t.v. debate between jeremy corbin in the prime minister but a shadow hung over parliament in britain death a friend of going underground the world war two veteran how real is this myth the whole house wish to pass our condolences as well to the family and friends of harry leslie smith given the late veterans damnation of to raise a major policy is the favorite to be britain's next prime minister was perhaps predictably less muted i also misspeak i want to pay tribute to my friend harry leslie smith. harry passed away early this morning in canada harry also served in the war he was an irrepressible campaigner for the rights of refugees for the

welfare state and run national health service he was passionate about the principle of health care for all as a human right we thank you harry for his life and his work will be paying our own tribute by repeating going underground's interviews with the tireless and in your liberalism campaign in a future edition of the show here is the world war two veteran on seventy years since the day the government seem to feel that austerity is the only way to. resurrect a good standard of living and it certainly isn't because it's just making more and more poor people. it's. frightening actually and. i. i don't know what the answer is quite frankly i am not a politician. i am history and in my book a try to describe to people what it was like and how it could be again

unless we. whatever god intends to offer the break as the e.u. come to blake's yet more economic war with moscow we'll talk to russia's presidential commission and russia's trade on the voice of the u.k. about british business in the largest country on earth that's all coming up in part two of going underground. when a loved one is murdered it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murder i would prefer and it mean when the death penalty just because i think that's the fair thing the right thing research shows that for every nine executions one convict is found innocent the idea that we were executing innocent people is terrifying and

there's just no really hasn't been that we want even many of the times families want the death penalty to be abolished the reason we have to keep the death penalty here is because that's what murder victims' families what that's going to give them peace that's going to give them justice and we come in and say. not quite enough we've been through this this isn't the way. i've been saying the numbers mean something they matter the u.s. is over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten light colored foreign tempi each dish. eighty five percent of global wealth you want to be all for rich the point six percent market saw a thirty percent rise last year some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and bitcoin rose to twenty thousand dollars. china is building

a two point one billion dollar a i industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only number you need to remember is one one does this show you know for a minute the one and only. we should start again with this cuz we're really can put chancellor merkel runs we have a lot of religious between germany and europe and russia. too to steroid use is quite easy and very fast. but to improve a whole lot of. welcome

back you gave back to your cranium president petro poroshenko doesn't only want martial law he's today urging nato nations like britain to send warships to the sea of as of to provide security against russia but here in london the talk at this week's russian british business forum in the queen elizabeth the second center media partnered by all the tea has been forging closer ties between russia and the u.k. we spoke to russian trade on voice to britain boris abramoff who with more than twenty years experience in shaping russian you can get away cooperation advocates for a new era of trade in the face of to raise him a sanctions trade on voip i suppose your message here is that we shouldn't always believe what we're reading in the newspapers and that things aren't as bad between london and moscow as you wait think from the media. actually said paradox the contrast between the political climate and the real development of trade relations

between our two countries in the first nine months of this year we saw almost some groove. comparison with the same period last year and we expect that by the end of the year we will exceed below fourteen billion us dollars in trade to noah between our two countries but we see that the reason for these is that actually the main obstacle for the business development is uncertainty what we see in the british situation but in our little release everything is absolutely clear. the call dissed iraq in by little political relations but these sanctions regime or all the declarations made by the political leaders the set the rules they said the limits but if you don't exceed the limits everything is free and everything is

available for businesses in both countries because it would be at the russia business u.k. business forum you said that the u.k. is one of russia's main trade partners i thought it was all brics that with the russian federation. no home. britain is a very large market market for their russian exports. of course the majority of the line portion of russian export which it goes to britain is kabul's. still largely depends you know about literal tribulations on oil and gas but also we see the increase or. resource norm and a dramatic export from russia these means. there are areas

of common interests. we teach. drive will be a little trade does break he said that it creates uncertainty is that a problem when being trade on voice not very much because now russia is out of e.u. . the britain will. exit. we'll be part of. the britain can do any negotiations as we know from the westminster context. years saw we think this will create an opportunity for both countries britain we will have to search for new markets. russia is a free markets that britain can not ignore but what relations do you have

as a trade ovoid with the trade department here i mean this is jury mind you of the context when the head of the british army doesn't think the head of the british army is saying russia poses a greater threat to the safety of british subjects than i says day has and you have a relationship with the trade to profiteer this is they have the burdocks or all of their total data reality yes i think they have the there if you cute to believe dialogue with russia is more practical for example it was a couple of years ago because britain after the break as it will have to form new relations with or all comers of the world including russia. these means that the dialogue should be continued and even with russia they mean. he. will look bored of the british the ministry

to promote bilateral trade but as an envoy you have to be very aware that the sanctions new sanctions come up every other day frightening investment and bilateral trade yes. political climate is all of this is. very disappointing. but. the business relations they are talking about very create themes about goods about services about. these diable bit in business most of all the contras is not politicized and you see trading increasing with britain and the european union at the same time yes sure with the whole world so do you see a kind of irony that a british business trying to invest in say a russian chinese corporate corporation business somehow sanctions could affect

british business through that way and it's bad for british business no the sanctions are very clear if you see at this fear which. if you walk in the digital economy reveal business medicine education everything is not only a lot but it is supported both by a british government and the russian trade over thank you thank you very much well of russia's trade on voyager britain think sanctions don't have to be a deal breaker even after theresa may backs more economic warfare that the e.u. council this month what about russia's characterization as a math state that's what i asked a russian presidential commission a teacher of at this week's london conference presidential commission that russia

in this country in the media is characterized as being a mafia state how can a small business owner written above you with a new doing business in the twenty years ago when they first came to london and i was a businessman and i made first my joint venture with my british partners but look what happened since then all the british. big companies brands in the russian they all invested during or since ninety's to russia russian people i hear everywhere i mean that they educate their children here they come with investment and restate they they live here so and now again twenty years past now where you get the much at the macro level you think if the i.m.f. was still running russia or they would be nicer to you in the press. to some extent yes but what happens is i am f a still an english don't you think that we don't

need their credit because we are quite wealthy and we don't have any debt anymore to anybody in the world but the economical policies high interest rate hard financial policies the world changed from that i mean he wanted to easing is the main word and economical policies of britain united states you are china or japan but russia is still very hard on the financial policy and they love it and international monetary fund in the world bank they love it not usually good usually when they ever have therefore i'm giving it head skeletor of the suspicion because we are offering another economical policies to russia q.e. for russia but if you're a small to medium sized enterprises here in britain you're going to be thinking not just about your use of chemical weapons to kill people you're going to be thinking about you have to know people in russia or in government these big monopolies they

connected to government say that actually. all right great why should your programs this saturday night we've been keeping an eye on what is or is president putin about to speak is translated this is up some space that he would have got to say. about your meeting with president trump. that is in the lower. forty eight if you're at. all can we develop a dialogue with the united states under such conditions which you know what let him phrase pleaded for he's an adult. so that's certainly not true what he just said to ms regards to these preliminary agreements that did not. come to fruition because it was actually a u.s. initiative. we council church meeting in paris because we didn't want to interfere with the. schedule will lose them it's related to world war one and we

did not want to create any problems for the hosts because they had. nineteen leaders heads of state and heads of government so we decided to meet in burner service instead but unfortunately. we faced the. encounter with this provocation in the black sea it was so i guess it was because of that the united states decided not to have this meeting still we. you know people talk to each other so i got a chance to talk very briefly to president trump i answered his questions related to this incident in the black sea he has he's positioned. these issues and problems i have my position so. we remain committed to our positions

but i let him know what we think about this incident it's. shame that when we are unable to have a full fledged meeting. because i think it's long overdue because has to do with matters of strategic stability especially after. president trump announced the. american plan to withdraw from the i.m.f. treaty and then. will the new start treaty will soon expire. this has to do with this strategic nuclear forces and they even before about it we talked about the need to. restore our legal and economic cooperation to our cooperation in some hot spots like syria and ghana stand north korea but this is also a big problem for everybody on all these matters when you didn't log and. it's not

just us. who are interested in that many countries including the united states are interested in the same so i hope that this meeting will happen sooner or later it will happen when the united states will be ready for that. next question please. you know. you go ahead of me i don't want to argue with leads you know that's ok i'll go back to the g. twenty i'd like to ask you when preparing the final statement. we know that there were a lot of debates between share person experts they said that maybe the countries will fail to approve the final statement given so what do you think about the cooperation within the g twenty if you know you always have arguments whenever you

have to prepare or a statement communique you know they. they pick some and they were unable to adopt a final statement. in this particular case the countries who were able to coordinate their final statement yes we did have some arguments on some sort of migrants or some other murders here but eventually. also there were some arguments about true eventually our colleagues worked hard and we used the document was yes we can say this document is going to have general an abstract perhaps this is true but still i think this is important. i think argentina but the simple civil did its best to make sure that all the parties signed this document and why the me why is it so important because a this highlights the most important matters the twenty deals with and shows the

general direction of where we should all be moving to address those issues so our think it's a positive step. the next question. which. steve steve rosen that b.b.c. news president britain's new army chief says that your country poses a greater threat to british national security that islamist extremist groups do you agree and how concerned are you that russia has acquired such a reputation was that it. should be which can you know all the forces it would be better. translation. i understand that they use it so when they make such statements that when you compare us to other people when they put russia next to terrorist groups and so on. they were just playing within

the circle k. it's between those who say such things. and there are a conscience now as regards terrorists i guess russia some with more than any other country made an important contribution to fighting terrorism and such statements are usually. because it's all stemming from politicians who want to demonstrate to their. new loaders how tough they are but they only do this for the sake of scoring some additional political points. to get it through with their country the ukase an important partner of russia we hope that one day a socialist that wish. and i hope this will happen soon because i hope we will be able to overcome the difficulties that we have in our relations center. achieve a positive trend in our corporations which would see.