when he hold the union together with its long serving chancellor and europe's in fact a leader angle america in her final term well ask dr hearst a prominent german politician and national security advisor to chancellor helmut call. good news coming down on the euro in europe the legendary chancellor is bowing out beset by. popular discontent how will the european union handle the retirement of its most champion where will germany turn when it comes to choosing a post merkel future and how will her legacy impact on what's to go. after her stealth shake national security adviser to a chance or how would call welcome to the show it's very great to have you with us . dr polls show that around eighty percent of germans are dissatisfied with the current ruling coalition of merkel's christian democrats and the social democratic party now with the chancellor on her way out will merkel's departure become

a final nail in a coffin of this already precarious government. i don't believe you. chancellor until america. will be in office in power for the next morning the last three years i think she would stay we will get a new head of the party of the christian democratic party a new chairman or church of women they don't know yet and nevertheless the chancellor will stay i'm quite sure and she has still a. strong position as in europe and still within germany sure. after being in office now for. more than twelve twelve feet is. people expect. in

more or less in the next time a change of the chancellor this was true for chancellor helmut kohl or for example his chancellor can have either no. sure. i understand the chancellor will stay through her term till two thousand and twenty one but the leadership race inside merkel's party is already started and naturally the candidates are taking swings at merkel's legacy and policies so with a new party chairman elected who will most likely not be agreeing with merkel on everything how is she going to rule without her own party's backing. a party chairman. trying hard to mobilize support the if he doesn't lose she doesn't agree with the chancellor.

you see our experience with her america it is she never will take it there is. not being sure that she will be packed as a new party chairman or a lady and by the party she is great in. getting compromises in harmonizing people therefore i'm quite sure it will work. but you know. you're saying this but then other news outlets are saying that there is some sort of confusion within their ruling party who do you think will gain out of the situation most a traditional social democrats or the more fringe forces like the right wing a. well. you see it depends who. who will become the new party chairman

which lady. if you really that. this is. the new party chairman lady chel eighty. she. already. at the top of the party and. as the secretary general and she is a lady who will not correction the chancellor at all but if she does agree she will try to find a compromise therefore. not. avoid the power that you for mr maritz who will become the new party chairman while he is busy he's. trained in business

and backed by the german business people he might try to push. more. misses and therefore it but. this will make the point the more lively and therefore nobody is really worth of out so i get america has been seen as europe's in former leader for much of her reign the crown is up for grabs once she's gone well the next german leader take up the mantle or will it be left for someone i don't know for example in paris well. oh experiences. germany is the biggest in the strongest country was in europe therefore. the chancellor.

whether he belongs to the christian democrats or to the other party he will be. still. the main pillar within the european union but nevertheless. each chance. to be interested in a very close of. the president europe be successful only if france and germany stick to. to the parsed it will be true in the future as well therefore the question might be who will take the lead will it will appease a french president or the german chancellor. it depends who is more courageous who has more ideas and better ideas and who can mobilize the other members for his position also angle america has been the driver also

european unity and ensure gratian for most of her term as they had of germany will her departure empower the euro skeptic forces inside the union. this is america. or was interested to keep the european union members together but she was not really a driving force for more integration she has said several times we need more europe. but she never explained to the public what does it mean i think. president my call was quite mild spoke and expecting. by the

german government well. he got. several months. just a few months ago but. this was not really. courageous it was a small step forward to a small step to what the french president but it was not really a great step forward so i threw hope the success of what happened what happened what happens now with french president far reaching claims about reforming the european union i mean he always had merkel support for his idea but can he push them further with a new face in berlin. have told you. merkel was really careful not to move too far in the end of

my call. she well come to speech but she wasn't ready. to explain to the public. what. really drew her into this. and therefore. she moved very slowly and from my point of view not good enough not courageous enough to hope the excesses of. the being more koichi was more far side to it and. more in favor of more integration who feel i know america is refugee policy has not only divided the germans on the issue but it also bought divisions into the european union as well with for instance eastern european members openly

at odds with brussels over the issue will the next german leader have to roll back merkel's refugee plans just to keep everyone from completely falling out with each other won't. i think your chance of america were so why. was. she publicly to say that we can make it. and when she was ready to allow her future. being in hungary suffering a lot children. and all of ca or. ten thousand of which is to say let some come but. i think what the problem. she didn't immediately to rollo a stray that she how to cope loses her future yes and they're for.

the german people were all. on the one side they tried hard to immediately to help you choose on the other. how to to to cope with the children with housing and so on and the problem of the chancellor and her government was not immediately to explain the people look with her we wrote develop a story that she how to handle this way for her future for example. mrs merkel went to turkey to discuss with the president of turkey. that germany really out. to take care of the million that i feel she was in turkey in order that they should

stay in turkey and not trying to leave too you have opened to germany this happened very late she should have gone much earlier. all right we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking with dr horse tell chick prominent chairman politician and national security advisor to help call discussing europe's pressing issues and german chancellor role in solving that. i am.

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now we're back with dr horsetail chik prominent german politician and the actual security advisor to a chance they're held let's call it discussing angela merkel's political legacy and the major european challenges there are external issues to the e.u. as well and most recently and unexpectedly from overseas with american presidents nationalist approach that means they establish transatlantic order is europe going to move further to work self-sufficiency away from their partnership with the americans well. it's all prius. we have. problems with the current. u.s.

president. well police know that he. is. a puppy. that he's not in favor of the. union. that he favors but i accept. the fact that they put in his. what. the european union he is supporting it he started to question nato he's. in favor of nato but nato has to spend more money on the fence. and as you know. we are interested in good relations between the united states and as well nevertheless. united states is

a democratic country. they have a legal system which works and therefore a lot of similarities between united states and the europeans in the parsed united states is very close. therefore i do hope. we will. be very weak and still have a close relationship because what you have to know. there are members european members who would not be happy just being dependent on the europeans alone they want to have the americans in europe that's true for example for the baltic countries it's true for poland

and. yeah ok i mean i don't think i don't see any like i don't think anyone is talking about cutting the ties between europe and america completely but it's you know light of the recent events at people are saying maybe it's time for europe to be more independent and not completely dependent on their economic or political decisions when it comes to the president a white house maybe it's time to be more independent regardless who the president of the america is what do you think more independent i'm not saying completely independent or completely cutting the ties with america but more independent. well you see when i was in office. as national security advisor to the chancellor kohl. at the beginning we were faced with really tough cold war it to be in your country and nato. this was the time of the top with quick decision and

deploying. middle way and nuclear systems in europe and in your country and. yeah even in theory is that time retired it's hard. to tell the americans what the our interests are at that time versus the reagan was in office and for example chancellor kohl. who had to have washington to tell him. mr president our interest is that you should. again. summits with the soviet partners that you should start controlling the arms reduction negotiations with the soviets that was our interest and we told the american and fortunately. three years later it

worked in this you know the outcome where the far reaches controlling on certain actions agreement between your country. nato and your night it states therefore. the main over main interest is that we explain to your country and to the americans well oh into. and then be fun to find agreements is of this you or with america well top of this post asking about is talking about fire ok we're talking about european interests the chancellor has recently been boot ass she was speaking in the european parliament about the idea of the european army that she hopes would be a good supplement to nato what's your take on that should europe begetting its own

army does it really mean that it will be replacing nato. well. nato will stay but as you know they. have to have magically of it used the troops there happens in europe and. all countries have to take care of their own security by themselves now we wanted me to try to integrate europe therefore it's absolutely right at first not to start with. from my point of view the priority should not be a european army first my pay are you it you would be first to have for a common foreign policy and then you have to answer the question what are the common security interests and if it is in our interest to take

care of our own security more than in the poorest then we have to establish a common military force and we started bilaterally more than eighty eight sponsor me or they have a job and french integrated pretty god. and it works for example in mali in africa they all over india are fighting together now the idea is to get the other members in in such a common army and look at our you have to to know about our history for example we have a close relationship all over the military relations between sherman in that this is on the background of our history here. absolutely success story that dutch and german soldiers.

together or germans and polish. so. this is. if you look at our history. for me it's still a movie and you have to improve root. this move move north korea use that to russia but what as you know you cannot i don't think i don't think i don't think russia ever really i don't think russia ever sad that it could be a threat to it it actually supports the idea of european army but if that army comes together what would it look like i mean nato is an alliance of national eateries which although somewhat integrated operate on their own will a pan's european army be efficient with all the different languages and cultures. really good pressure. this would not be easy because.

they're for their riches. and. a lot of you for. military. systems you know we have several different tanks. the french op with using your tank the brits of the germans. and others it makes no sense therefore. we have to but this will be difficult to harmonize. equipment and the training and to agree on the coming language this work not piece it really take a lot of time but pilot earlier it started to work. now rick and launch it this will take a lot of time so i want to ask you a final question about what would happen to russia german relations with angela

merkel gone because angola merkel has also be a vocal critic of russia so she always supported anti russia sanctions despite strong business ties between berlin and moscow will berlin become more pragmatic towards russia with new leadership or is it more reasonable to expect a harder line was nobody can make a for chorused for my point of view my interest would be to move i had to do with improving their relations with. germany and russia it's been european union and russia and between nato and russia you need a you know in the ninety's and even early and the first is during the first dictator of this century. beaven have just crossed the membership of russia in nato we have discussed those relationship between your

premium the union and the wash. i think we should start. to discuss where it can corporate chancellor merkel runs has said we have built up a lot of bridges between germany and russia. to destroy bridges is quite easy and very far. but to rebuild will take a whole lot of. i just had a meeting in france germany. russia and dialogue and does so many ideas how we could cope over it you could nominate lee. on culturally assigned on the on side issues and so on and so on there's a lot of creativity on the sides and i think all put unities. peak

and now we have both sides to. to. push forward better relations with all kinds thank you very much for the interview we're talking to dr horace tell chick prominent german politician and national security advisor to how much call discussing chancellor merkel's legacy on the divide within the european union and that's it for this edition of sophie and call see you next time.

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