until the retirement of its most auditors gentium where will germany turn when it comes to choosing a post knuckle future and how will her legacy impact on what's to come. up to her stealth shake national security adviser chance or how would call welcome to the show it's very great to have you with us. polls show that around eighty percent of germans are dissatisfied with the current ruling coalition of merkel's christian democrats and the social democratic party now with the chancellor on her way out will merkel's departure become a final nail in the coffin of this already precarious government. review. chancellor. would be in office impala for the next more or less we use i think she would stay we will get the new head of the party of the christian democratic party

a new chairman or church of women we don't know yet but nevertheless the chancellor will stay i'm quite sure and she has still a. strong position was in the hope and still within germany sure. after being in office now for. more than twelve twelve feet it is. people expect. more or less and the next time a change of the chancellor this was true for chancellor kohl or for example of his chancellor calling the father no. sure. i understand the chancellor will stay through her term till two thousand and twenty one but the leadership race inside merkel's party is already started and naturally the

candidates are taking swings at merkel's legacy and policies so with a new party chairman elected who will most likely not be agreeing with merkel on everything how is she going to rule without her own party's backing. a party chairman. trying hard to mobilize support leave if he doesn't lose he doesn't agree with the chancellor. you see our experience with her america it is she never will take. not being sure that she will be packed as a new party chairman or lady and by the party she's great in. getting compromises in harmonizing people therefore i'm quite sure it will work. but you

know. you're saying this but then other news outlets are saying that there is some sort of confusion within their ruling party who do you think will gain out of the situation most a traditional social democrats or the more fringe forces like the right wing a. well. you see it depends who. who will become the new party chairman which lady. if we will. this is. as the new party chairman lady chel eighty. she. already. at the top of the party and. as the secretary general and she is

a lady who will not correction the chancellor at all but if she does agree she will try to find a compromise therefore. not. avoid the power that you for mr maritz who will become the new party chairman while he's busy he's. trained in business and backed by the german business people he might try to push. more. misses and therefore it but. this will make the polity more lively and therefore nobody is really worth of out so i know america has

been seen as europe's informer a leader for much of her reign the crown is up for grabs once she's gone well the next german leader take up the mantle or will it be left for someone i don't know for example in paris well. our experiences to. germany is the biggest in the strongest country was in europe therefore. the chancellor. whether he belongs to the christian democrats or to the other party he will be. still the main pillar within the european union but nevertheless. each chance. to be interested in a very close of. the president europe and be

successful only if france and germany stick. to the parsed it will be true in the future as well therefore the question might be who will take the lead will it will appease a french president or the german chancellor. it depends who is more courageous who has more ideas and better ideas and who can mobilize the other members for his position also angle america has been the driver european unity and interglacial for most of her term at the head of germany will her departure empower the euro skeptic forces inside the union. mrs merrett. or was interested to keep the opinion the

members together but she was not really a driving force for more integration she has said several times we need you know europe. but she never explained to the public what does it mean i think. president michael was quite more outspoken and expecting. about the german government while. he got. several months. just a few months ago but. this was not a really. courageous but it was a small step forward to a small step to what the french president but it was not really

a great step forward so i do hope that the success of what has what happened what happens now with french president micron's far reaching plans about reforming the european union i mean he always had merkel support for his idea but can he push them further with a new face in berlin. have told you. merkel was really careful not to move too far in the end of mark or. she would love come to speech but she wasn't ready. to explain to the public. what. really drew her into this. and therefore. she moved very slowly and from my point of view not good enough

not courageous enough to hope the excesses of. the being more koichi was more far side to it and. more in favor of more integration and. i know a merkel's refugee policy has not only divided the germans on the issue but it also bought divisions into the european union as well with for instance eastern european members openly at odds with brussels over the issue will the next german leader have to roll back merkel's refugee plans just to keep everyone from completely falling out with each other won't. i think your chance of america were so why. was. she publicly to say that we can make it. and when she was ready to allow her few cheese.

being in hungary suffering a lot children. and all of all the. ten thousand of which is to say let some come but. i think what the problem. she didn't immediately do rollo astray that she how to cope loses her future needs and therefore. the german people were all around. on the one side they tried hard to meet unity to help a few cheese on the other side the realm of. how to to to cope with the children with housing and so on and

the problem of the chancellor and her government was not immediately to explain to people look we rewrote develop a story that she how to handle this way for her future for example and mrs merkel went to turkey to discuss with the president of turkey. that germany really how. to take care of the three and a half million refugees in turkey in order that they should stay in turkey and not trying to leave to europe and to germany this happened very late she should have gone much earlier. all right we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking with dr horace tell chick prominent german politician and national security advisor to how mccall

discussing europe's pressing issues and german chancellor role in solving that. you know we have all the one player in asia industry and they're setting prices and there's no more market selling the prize you have market failure and you have what happened to sell you that you know you ironically the soviet union now russia is moving toward where america was the one nine hundred fifty s. with more like an hour and now you've got the current administration moving towards soviet union with behaving more like you know russia.

with just manufacture consent to consume to the public will. when the ruling closes protect them so. when the climate. lifts and neither will. we can all middle the roots to. the real news. from very bad to even worse russia ukraine relations in my poem pale gives credit to the saudis for relieving suffering in yemen and is the guardian simply the nudes . the way to the united states is dangerous for illegal immigrants.

a little simple they want to. put as many of them look for refuge in the so-called sentries on the drug used to share information about undocumented migrants with federal authorities. band. that. choose to stay in the country with donald trump in the. both. of you up to the pier the old.

way back with dr horse chick prominent german politician and the actual security advisor to a chance to call discussing angela merkel's political legacy and the major european challenges there are external issues to the us well and most recently and unexpectedly from overseas with the american presence nationalist approach that means they establish transatlantic order is going to move further to work self-sufficiency away from their partnership with the americans. well. it's all prius that. we have some. problems with the curve and.

us president. feel. that he. is he possibly he has said that he's not in favor of the european union and. that he favors the plexi. the fact that they put in his now what will now the european union he is supporting it he started to question nato meanwhile he's said he's in favor of nato but nato has to spend more money on the fence. and as you know. we are interested in good relations between the united states and russia as well nevertheless. united states is

a democratic country. they have. legal system which works and therefore a lot of similarities between united states and you preens in the parsed united states very close. therefore i do hope. we will. be very weak and still have a close relationship because what you have to know. there are members european members who would not be happy just being dependent on the europeans alone they want to have the americans in europe it's true for example for the baltic countries it's true for poland

and. yeah ok i mean i don't think i don't think anyone i don't think anyone is talking about cutting the ties between europe and america completely but it's you know light of the recent events at people are saying maybe it's time for europe to be more independent and not completely dependent on their economic or political decisions when it comes to the president a white house maybe it's time to be more independent regardless who the president of the america is what do you think more independent i'm not saying completely independent or completely cutting the ties with america but more independent. well you see when i was in office. as national security advisor to the chancellor kohl. at the beginning we faced a reveal a tough cold war it to be in your country and nato.

this was a time of the top with quick decision and to ploy. middleway and nuclear systems in europe and in your country and. even in theory is that time the time it's hard. to tell the americans what the our interests are at that time because it is the reagan was in office and for example chancellor kohl. who had to have washington to tell him mr president and our interest is that you should. again. summits with the soviet partners that you should start controlling the arms reduction negotiations with the soviets that was our interest and vetoed the america and fortunately.

three three years later it worked and there's you know the outcome where the far reaches controlling on certain actions agreement between your country. nato and your night it states therefore. the main over main interest is that we explain to your country and to the americans well oh in two. and then be fun to find it really means is of this you or with america well top of this post asking about is talking about fire ok we're talking about european interests the chancellor has recently been boot ass she was speaking in the european parliament about the idea of the european army that she hopes would be a good supplement to nato what's your take on that should europe begetting its own

army does it really mean that it will be replacing nato. nato will stay but as you know they. have to have magically if it used the troops there happens in europe and. all countries have to take care of their own security by themselves now we wanted me to try to integrate europe therefore it's absolutely right at first not to start with. from my point of view the priority should not be a european army first my pay are you it you would be first to have for a common foreign policy and then you have to answer the question what are the common security interests and if it is in our interest to take

care of our own security more than in the poorest then we have to establish a common military force and we started bilaterally more than eighty eight sponsor me or they have a job and french integrated play god. and it works for example in mali in africa they all it is fighting together now the idea is to get the other members in in such a common army and look at our you have to to know about our history for example we have a close relationship all over the military relations between sherman in that this is on the background of our history here. absolutely success story that dutch and german soldiers.

together or germans and polish. so. this is. if you look at our history. for for me it's still a movie and you have to improve root. this move move north korea so that to russia but what as you know you cannot i don't think i don't think i don't think russia ever really i don't think russia ever said that it could be a threat to it it actually supports the idea of european army but if that army comes together what would it look like i mean nato is an alliance of national eateries which although somewhat integrated operate on their own will a pansy european army be efficient with all the different languages and cultures. really good pressure. this would not be easy because.

they're for the riches. and. a lot of you for. military. systems you know we have several different tanks. the french op with using your tank the brits of the germans. and others it makes no sense therefore. we have to but this will be difficult to harmonize. equipment and the training and to agree on the coming language this would not be easy it really take a hell lot of time but pilot early it started to work. now rick and launch it this will take a lot of time so i want to ask you

a final question about what would happen to russia german relations with angela merkel gone because angle america has also be a vocal critic of russia so she always supported anti russia sanctions despite strong business ties between berlin and moscow will berlin become more pragmatic towards russia with new leadership or is it more reasonable to expect a harder line was nobody can make a for courage for my point of view my interest would be to move ahead with improving the be in. germany and russia it be the european union and russia and between nato and russia you need to you know in the ninety's and even early and the first is during the first u.k. to of this century. be even have just crossed the membership of russia in nato we have discussed those relationship between your

premium the union and the russia i think we should start the game to discuss where it can corporate chancellor merkel runs has said we have built up a lot of bridges between germany and russia. to destroy bridges is quite easy and very fast. but to reprove to take a high. a lot of. i just had a meeting in friends german. russian dialogue and does so many ideas how we could cope over it you could nominate lee. on culturally signed on the on side issues and so on and so on there's a lot of creativity on the side and i think all put unities. peak

and now we have both sides to. push forward better relations between our countries thank you very much for the interview we're talking to dr horace tell chick prominent german politician and national security advisor to how much call discussing chancellor merkel's legacy and the divide within the european union and that's it for this edition of sophie and call see you next time.

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