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a prominent german politician and national security advisor to chancellor helmut call. this coming down on the euro in europe the legendary chancellor is bowing out beset by dissent popular discontent how will the european union handle the retirement of its most champion where will germany turn when it comes to choosing a post medical future and how will her legacy impact on what's to go. after her stealth shake national security adviser to a chance or how would call welcome to the show it's very great to have you with us . the polls show that around eighty percent of germans are dissatisfied with the current ruling coalition of merkel's christian democrats and the social democratic party now with the chancellor on her way out will merkel's departure become a final nail in a coffin of this already precarious government. i don't believe you.

chancellor until america. will be in office impala for the next morning the last three years i think she would stay we will get a new head of the party of the christian democratic party a new chairman or church of women they don't know yet but nevertheless the chancellor will stay i'm quite sure and she has still a. strong position was in europe and still within germany sure. after being in office now for. more than twelve twelve feet is. people expect. in more or less in the next time a change of the chancellor this was true vis chancellor kohl

or for example his chancellor can have other no. sure. i understand the chancellor will stay through her term till twenty twenty one but the leadership race inside merkel's party is already started and naturally the candidates are taking swings at merkel's legacy and policies so why is a new party chairman elected who will most likely not be agreeing with merkel on everything how is she going to rule without her own party's backing. one of. apology chairmen. and try hard to mobilize support leave if he doesn't lose she doesn't agree with the chancellor when. you see the experience was angela merkel it is she never will take

a decision. not being sure that she will be packed as a new party chairman or lady and by the party she's great in. getting compromises in harmonizing people therefore i'm quite sure it will work. but you know. you're saying this but then other news outlets are saying that there is some sort of confusion withing their ruling party who do you think will gain out of the situation most a traditional social democrats or the more fringe forces like the right wing a.f.d. well. you see it depends who. who will become the new party chairman which lady. if. mrs

khan. as the new paul the chairman lady celente. already. at the top of the party and. as the secretary general and she is a lady who will not correction the chancellor at all but if she does agree she will try to find a compromise therefore. not. worried about that if for mr maritz who will become the new party chairman and while he's busy he's. trained in business and backed by the german business people he might try to

push. more. misses. therefore it but. this will make the polity more lively and therefore nobody is really worth of out so i get america has been seen as europe's in former leader for much of her reign the crown is up for grabs once she's gone well the next german leader take up the mantle or will it be left for someone i don't know for example in paris well. our experiences to. germany's the biggest in the strongest country was in europe therefore. the chancellor. whether he belongs to the christian democrats or to the other party he will be.

still. the main pillar within the european union but nevertheless. each chance. to be interested in a very close of. the president europe and be successful only if france and germany stick. to the parsed it will be true in the future as well therefore the question might be who will take the lead will it will appease a french president or the german chancellor. it depends who is more courageous who has more ideas ideas and who can mobilize the other members for his position also angle america has been the driver european

unity and ensure gratian for most of her term as they had of germany will her departure empower the euro skeptic forces inside the union. mrs merrett. or was interested to keep the european union members together but she was not really a driving force for more integration she has said several times we need more europe but she never explained to the public what does it mean i think. but as in my call was quite small spoke and expecting. an answer by the german government while. he got. several

months. just a few months ago but. this was not a really. courageous one it was a small step forward to a small step to what the french president but it was not really a great step forward so i threw hope the success of what is right what happened so what happens now with french president micron's far reaching plans about reforming the european union i mean he always had merkel support for his idea but can he push them further with a new face in berlin. have told you. merkel was really careful not to move too far in the action of mark or. she was well come to speech but she wasn't

ready. to explain to the public. what. really drew her into. and therefore. she moved very slowly. from my point of view not good enough not courageous enough to hope the excesses of. the being more koichi was more far side to it and. more in favor of more integration of. i know a merkel's refugee policy has not only divided the germans on the issue but it also bought divisions into the european union as well with for instance eastern european members openly at odds with brussels over the issue will the next german leader

have to back merkel's refugee plans just to keep everyone from completely falling out with each other while oh. i think your. chancellor merkel was so why. was. she publicly is that we can make it. and then she was ready to allow her future. being in hungary suffering a lot children. and all or. ten thousand of which is to say let some come but. i think what the problem was. she didn't immediately to rollo a strategy how to cope loses her future. and therefore. the german people. on the one side they

tried hard to immediately to help if you cheese on the other side. how to to to cope with the children with housing and so on and the problem of the chancellor and her government was not immediately to explain the people look we rewrote develop a story that she how to handle this way for her future for example. and mrs merkel went to turkey to discuss with the president of turkey. that germany really how. to take care of the three and a half million refugees in turkey in order that they should stay in turkey and not

trying to leave to europe and to germany this happened very late she should have gone much earlier. all right we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking with dr horse prominent chairman politician and national security advisor to how mccall discussant europe's pressing issues and german chancellor role in solving them and stay with us. you know we have all the one player in each industry and they're setting prices and

there's no more market setting the price of market failure and you have what happened to sell you that you know you ironically the soviet union now russia is moving toward where america was the one nine hundred fifty s. with code more like like or eisenhower and now you've got the current administration moving towards soviet union with behaving more like you know russia . a lot rather you look at how they are.

now we're back with dr horsetail chick prominent german politician and the actual security advisor to a chance they're held let's call discussing angle america's political legacy and the major european challenges there are external issues to the e.u. as well and most recently and unexpectedly from overseas with the american presence nationalist approach that means established transatlantic order is europe going to move further to work self-sufficiency away from their partnership with the americans well. it's all previous that. we have some. problems with the current. u.s. president.

that he. is the puppy. that he's not in favor of the. union. that he favors but i accept. the fact that they put in his. will now the european union he is supporting it he started to question nato meanwhile he's said he's in favor of nato but nato has to spend more money on defense. and as you know a. we are interested in good relations between the united states and russia as well nevertheless. united states is

a democratic country. they have. legal system which works and therefore a lot of similarities between united states and the europeans in the parsed united states very close. therefore i do hope. we will. do very we still have a close relationship because what you have to know. there are members european members who would not be happy just being dependent on the europeans alone they want to have the americans in europe that's true for example for the baltic countries it's true for poland and. yeah ok i mean i'm not i don't think i don't think anyone i don't think anyone

is talking about cutting the ties between europe and america completely but it's you know light of the recent events people are saying maybe it's time for europe to be more independent and not completely dependent on their economic or political decisions when it comes to the president a white house maybe it's time to be more independent regardless who the president of the america is what do you think more independent i'm not saying completely independent or completely cutting the ties i was in office. as national security advisor to chancellor kohl. at the beginning rephrased to reveal a tough cold war to be in your country. and natal. this was a time of the top with quick decision and deploying. middle way and nuclear systems in europe and in your country and.

even to areas that time retired it's hard. to tell the americans what the our interests are at that time because of the reagan was in office and for example chancellor kohl. who had to have washington to tell him. mr president our interest is that you should. again. summits with the soviet apartness that you should start controlling the arms reduction negotiations with the soviets that was our interest and vetoed the america and fortunately. three years later it worked in this you know the outcome where the far reaches

controlling on certain actions agreement between your country. nato and your night it states therefore. the main over main interest is that we explain to your country and to the americans well oh isn't. and then be fun to find a green means is of this you or with america well top of this post asking about is talking about fired ok we're talking about european interests the chancellor has recently been boot ass she was speaking in the european parliament about the idea of the european army that she hopes would be a good supplement to nato what's your take on that should europe begetting its own army does it really mean that it will be replacing nato. well. nato will stay but as you know they. have to have magically if it

used the troops there happens in europe and. all countries have to take care of their own security by themselves now we wanted me to try to integrate europe therefore it's absolutely right at first not to start with. from my point of view the priority should not be a european army first my pay are you it you would be first to have a common foreign policy and then you have to answer the question what are the common security interests and if it is in our interest to take care of our own security more than in the poorest then we have to establish a common military force and we started bilaterally one of the in eighty eight

sponsor or they have a job and french integrated play god. and it works for example in mali in africa they all it is fighting together now the idea is to get the other members in in such a common army and look at our you have to to know about our history for example we have a close relationship all over the military relations between sherman in that this is on the background of our history here. absolutely success story that touch and german soldiers. together or germans and polish. so. this is. if you look at our history. for

me it's still a movie and you have to improve. this move north korea so that was through russia but what as you know you cannot i don't think i don't think i don't think russia ever really i don't think russia ever sad that it could be a threat to it it actually supports the idea of european army but if that army comes together what would it look like i mean nato is an alliance of national eateries which although somewhat integrated operate on their own will a pan's european army be efficient with all the different languages and cultures. really good pressure. this would not be easy because. they're for their riches. and. a lot of you for. military. systems you

know we have several different tanks. the french op with using a tank the brits of the germans. and others it makes no sense therefore . we have to but this group is difficult to harmonize. equipment and the training and to agree on the coming language this working out piece is real take a lot of time but pilot earlier it started to work. now we can. launch it this will take a lot of time so i want to ask you a final question about what would happen to russia german relations with angela merkel gone because angola merkel has also be a vocal critic of russia so she always supported anti russia sanctions despite

strong business ties between berlin and moscow will berlin become more pragmatic towards russia with new leadership or is it more reasonable to expect a harder line was nobody can make a for courage for my point of view my interest would be to move ahead with improving their relations with. germany and russia it's been european union and the russia and between nato and russia you need to you know in the ninety's and even early in the first piece during the first kate of this century. beaven have just custom membership of russia in nato we have discussed close relationship between you premium the union and the russia i think we should start the game to discuss where it

can corporate chancellor merkel runs has said we have built up a lot of bridges between germany and russia. to destroy your bridges is quite easy and very far. but to rebuild will take a whole lot of. i just had a meeting in france german. russian dialogue and there's so many ideas how we could cope over it you could nominate lee . on culturally signed on the on side issues and so on and so on there's a lot of creativity on the side and i think all put unity this. week and now we have both sides to. to.

push forward better relations with you know a conference thank you very much for the interview we're talking to dr horace tell chick prominent german politician and national security advisor to how much call discussing chancellor merkel's legacy on the divide within the european union and that's it for this edition of sophie and call see you next time. when a loved one is murder it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murder i would prefer it be to win the death penalty just because i think that's the fair thing

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