proportionate number of immigrants making it is a smaller percentage obviously in the country but they looking it looks like they're committing more crimes if you look at those. rather than what the government meant to do. ok i mean i think a lot of these figures all put it in a very inflammatory read but the simple fact is that the main places that people are fleeing to denmark from places like syria afghanistan iraq at such a pretty much a map of the countries that we've been bombing and also by the way some of the countries that are most significantly affected by climate change already and to say that this is a democratic government is show that it's true and the coalition system that means the center right government has had to include the far right as a kind of kingmaker in its government and i think that's deeply worrying but the fact is we need to see the historical parallels here when you have spectacular inequality and elites effectively transferring the wealth from everybody else they seven hundred years ago as well you know we had the excesses of the twenty's the

financial crash and then the divide and rule of the thirty's and it led to the same place where some of the most vulnerable people in the world are essentially scapegoated by an establishment media narrative day after day month after month year after year and the mother for which while this has worked has been stoking the flames of of this totally missed directed energy so yes case the way people think and it's the pm fortunate ok we're going to leave it there gentlemen thank you. so isn't just a campaign nail me to come and take it we've run out of time thank you both for coming on to. i'll be back in about thirty minutes time time check out our website called next up time for the.

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nineteen seventy eight. to nineteen ninety nine i serve as an executioner. i perform sixty two megs as in a seventeen years. paper that recommend the death penalty and in theory the judge if they had performed the execution i think that they will. in light of a different story on given a definite it will. the united states is the last country in the developed west to execute criminals. about

fifty percent of americans are for the death penalty and fifty percent against it. our capital punishment system is flawed this is not a matter of vengeance it's a matter of just that we believe serves as a deterrent capital punishment is tainted by racial disparity having my father's killers executed did not bring me a sense of closure is it to restore society or is it an issue if you took a life should your life be taken justice is about us as a society. one nine hundred eighty two was my first execution. i was a correctional officer. one of my main jobs were to save the lives. so when it came down to execution i had to transform myself into

a person that would take a life. jerry givens was appointed executioner in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven when the united states reinstated the death penalty. he grew up in the housing projects of richmond virginia. and remembers one tragic night at a party. when i was a teenager i witness a young lady. shot to death by before my eyes i want to read being quite a young lady because she was innocent. i was. told if. my thing is that if a person take a life of about a person in that person's life should be taken and asked what i believe. jerry received training to operate the electric chair and later to administer lethal injections. he became chief executioner in one thousand nine hundred two. i would say my team members take pride in the work that preparations. get in

this person brady always makes step in life prepare him just to see is he it's for the last time with. a last kiss of his mother the sister of amy's wife or daughter . all of human you know in this is one human that had made a mistake. we had to carry out the orders. outside of this team of eight gerry told no one about his work as an executioner not even his wife. keep it a secret and i kept it a secret from my my family. since one thousand nine hundred seventy seven other executioners across the united states have put over a thousand four hundred sixty people to death it's a punishment that's supposed to be reserved for the worst of the worst.

it was a gorgeous day it was a beautiful morning we met some friends and boston and. twenty three thousand runners and half a million spectators gathered for the boston marathon. karen brossard her husband and daughter which cheering a friend over the finish line. we were there for maybe ten or fifteen minutes all excited with the crowd watching everybody come through and the suddenly it was this credit. a loud. explosion. was to. the.

seven of us there six of us were injured. one of our their friends lost both of her legs that. i knew that my husband was pretty badly injured . my daughter had shrapnel from her hips. and i had trapped knowing both my legs. the two blasts injured over two hundred sixty people killed three including krystal campbell. and eight year old martin richard. police pursued two brothers in a dramatic manhunt. twenty six year old tamar alonzo maya was killed in a shootout. a day later police captured the younger brother dzhokhar

a life. over the next few months karen braun in their daughter like many of the bombing victims had to undergo multiple surgeries. i want to try to not let this change who i am i'm not going to let this prevent me from living a life that i want to live. i'm not going to be afraid. later that summer karen traveled from oklahoma new hampshire to boston are now i observe rayment at the federal court. we were all seated together and he walked out he didn't look at any of us but his hand was obviously entered and my immediate response was i hope that hurts i hope it's painful. that

was not like me. and the recognition of that about me was scared because that isn't who i am. pled not guilty to all thirty counts seventeen punishable by death. the federal prosecutor asked victims if the u.s. should seek the death penalty. were i don't know. i don't know. i don't know what justice is. i got an e-mail. terrorist acts where much more common are the murders and other violent acts that happen every day across the united states. in philadelphia shannon schieber was

finishing her first year of graduate school. she had been up studying it was early thursday morning before i would say there was friday morning. about two o'clock in the morning she was prepared to go by. the assailant who attacked her be pried open her sliding door. she screamed for help as she was being attacked. the next door neighbor heard that he called nine one one. he told him that he heard his neighbor. scream for help and he heard like a choking he said. the police arrived within twenty minutes they knocked on the door but no one answered.

the next day when shannon didn't show up for a lunch date with her brother sean he drove her apartment building. or lived in its neighbors came down and answered the door and sean said i'm trying to reach my sister i can't reach her. the guy just would pale they say oh my god i called the police last night they were running up the steps they broke open her door and she was laying naked on her bed. by the time we got to philadelphia the police were swarming around the apartment building and they let us know immediately that she had been in terror and she had

been murdered. we were beginning to face the fact that part of us had died and i mean it hit us very quickly. i just remember the prince that we'd be able to gather to get through this. that weekend they attended mass. when we got to the lord's prayer. saying the lord's prayer out loud was a real confrontation. forgive us our trespasses as we preach of those who trespass against him. i had to abandon something i had been saying. often probably thoughtlessly thousands of times over my over my door. and if anyone would have asked us what would you want to do if you if you ever

found who did this i didn't i just why be so angry i want i want him dead to maybe i don't know i never had this happen it was just so painful. eight days later she burst buried their twenty three year old daughter. the way to the united states is dangerous for most of the illegal immigrants. crossing the most. simple they want to become must enter and i want to ask some just about what if many of them look for refuge in the so-called sentries sides of the refuse to share information about undocumented migrants with federal

authorities the best person asked bank of mom. was you know you don't have a lot of mess on the government on us and they want that. they can't what are their options to stay in the country with donald trump in the white house all over for the gravels they also feel the have to be bribed to do the job of the old us if it struggles of many couples won't. kill the chance of putting food impulse response both of you up of up to the fault of the. manufacturer can sentenced him to a public wells. when the rooming closest protect themselves. with the financial merry go round lives only one person i'm told. we can all middle of the room sick moves.

what does society do when someone commits a horrific act of violence. for centuries seeking justice was a community affair. and disproportionate blame fell on the poor mentally disabled and people of color. in the eighteen hundreds some capital offenses were targeted specifically at slaves the stablish in a racial bias that continues today. executions reached a historic peak in the one nine hundred thirty s. averaging one hundred sixty seven per year but then in one thousand thirty six. a

gruesome execution caught the attention of the media. on aug fourteenth in owensboro kentucky raney of the thea was publicly hanging by a white sheriff many thought but the oh was innocent. one new york times reporter wrote ten thousand white persons some jaring another's festive saw prayerful black men put to death today and davies county's piton gallus . the outcry over rainy but he is hanging did not put an end to capital punishment instead it drove executions behind prison walls out of public view. state officials built death houses and institutionalized the practice. it's a death by far it's a scripted death in the beginning it was hanging it was not only hanging but it was

public and so you see the crowds come in and bring in a picnic luncheon celebrating then we move from hanging to the electric chair and then we began to hammer the horror stories that happened out of the electric chair . and then has been a move to lethal injection and lethal injection is likely going medicinal. so that will just be putting them to sleep. but not everyone agrees. the idea that they should go out in an opiate haze that it should be a pleasant that is absolutely perverse. the debate about the death penalty has become increasingly polarized and politicized we want a system that they are we want a system that respects the dignity of human beings the idea that we were executing innocent people was terrifying and there was just no way that we hadn't and that we were some people kill with an attitude so callous

heinous sadistic that they have forfeited their right to live i believe in a turn of one and that is when we execute this person we know he will never kill again why is it that the death penalty really comes down to in many cases just where you live who your d.n.a. is we cannot recognize injustice when we see at people of not being treated fairly and people not getting a fair shot you can be critical because you can be critical of the idea that the government has the right to kill. and also hold passion and concern for victims maybe in some books of justice the person for this act deserves to die but do we as a society deserve to kill them. today capital punishment largely falls to the state in which the crime was committed. and laws and methods

vary widely. most states use lethal injection. but some still use gas chambers. the electric chair. hanging. and firing squad. carrying out the death penalty is intrusted to specially trained guards like jerry givens. of the sixty two executions the jerries conducted thirty seven were by electrocution and twenty five by lethal injection. lethal injection is considered the more humane form but for jerry it made the job of killing another person a lot tougher. when you talk about execution and electrocution is a button you push and washing push the button. because it flows in the current

comes out and. that's all i had to do was push a button. but when it come down to death by lethal injection you have seven to. a chemicals. you have four flushes and three deadly chemicals that is inserted into this man and my self as an execution i'm at the end of it's a rant i'm pushing a poison. down the tomb and to the body so i'm more attach to this person then it is pushing a button and release and then they let the current for a wide elf. fifteen days prior to an execution the condemned would be moved to the death chamber where gerry and his team worked. all nine of us were executions and with that

a good execution that was stood by. the preparation was mental as well as physical we practice and practice and practice prior to execution. each of us knew our jobs out sign it and we never allow ourselves to get that close to anyone you know we train for that we train this way you don't get that close to . the day of the execution twenty four hours prior to that we we have a call a death watch. a guy will act differently because he knew that this is the last everything. this is the sale when to condemn sperry's. this is where the warden really is don't want these clergy person sit with him.

doing this course and then they condemn is given a shower his last meal is less visitations. by six o'clock hour preparations in the stocks and to the inmate is placed a day. at home in new hampshire karen and her family were slowly recovering from their injuries. not so much for wasm physical abilities things like. specially for me my rose colored glasses you know. just the reality. people are. different. things are not the same.

when even with one and i. are. working through things and i'm working through things that. it had been six months since the bombing and karen had not yet seen her good friend celeste who was with them at the finish line and lost both her legs. in the beginning. initially i i couldn't bring myself. to do that. because i felt. celeste and sixteen others lost limbs that day. ron was one of the lucky ones doctors were able to save his leg but the trauma and pain still lingered. we're going to have to work for a long time to get to buy

a new normal whatever that's going to be. after months of deliberation attorney general eric holder announced the u.s. would seek the death penalty. the defense will argue that though karr was pressured into it by his older brother that he was a popular well liked college kid led astray. or be held responsible and i agree and i and i'm to believe that. but i also think it's. just can't stoop and. karen son was the same age is the car. didn't seem like such a hard decision when it was abstract. you know i've got family and friends

who are very religious and don't believe they're that i have others who say. it's the right thing to do they're so sure. i don't know that it's right for me to make that decision to take someone else's life. in philadelphia shannon's killer was still on the loose. the shivers pressed for answers but the police had none. it's just like you're in a coma you mean you're just like walking through something but you you don't know exactly how you're going to deal with them how am i ever ever going to get through this. this is tremendous sense of law. and you know for some time i could those who are feeling they're walking through

a door squawking in the house and walking through the door saying our doctor and she told me. she was so kind and generous and loving and helpful and she always would come to us and say mom dad i have to make a difference sharon was living many things. but she had a tremendous appetite for learning everybody loved shannon everybody loved her she was an extremely moving over. in their grief they can still turn to each other and reached out for support. it just takes time and doesn't you know everybody goes down a different path in a different time line to this journey toward healing. they begin attending support meetings for families of murder victims. there they saw the devastating toll of sorrow and anger. the father of one of the murdered daughters we know well took his

first drink and he never stopped for a year and then she lost his job in a marriage. but well just daughter was one of one hundred sixty six people killed in the timothy mcveigh bombing of oklahoma city. one night about a year later he woke up in the morning and he had this dream and his daughter julie was there telling him dad had he murdered me are you going to let him murder whole family. also saw the high price people paid for putting their lives on hold as they waited for an execution. we start finding out what murder victims' families go through if you decide to say look i want that man executed it would take fifteen twenty years as much longer for it actually to happen and we just saw the effects that this had on these family members we saw it destroying their lives.

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