people make these stories up they take the voice away from true victims it's a waste of resources it's a waste of energy and it's definitely a wisdom of the emotion in the community and eighteen year old drake university student was found to be behind for all of the racist notes including one that she sent to herself it's unclear who wrote the fifth nerve sent back of amber but police are investigating a student who sent the hoax letter to a self now faces up to a year in jail we spoke to t.v. and radio host jane elliott and she says student is probably just an attention seeker. we see copycat crimes all the time my background of course is in human behavior and human development and a lot of times one of the fears whenever a crime happens well i can imagine a couple of different motives would have been possible i would think that maybe for attention a lot of people do a lot of crazy things for attention so that could have been part of it and they

could have been a political agenda it could have been somebody who wanted to create strife could it perhaps have been this just person just wanted to see what happened if they wrote racially insightful things and try to create division and see if they could start a race riot or who knows who knows what kind of drama the reality is that america is not nearly as divided how many times these sort of you know racial problems that we hear about may or may not have actually been incited you know obviously what this person did this woman it was extremely harmful it was extremely self-serving whatever her motives for. news from now i'll be back at the top of the you know with more but first on our international it's worlds apart.

along welcome to worlds apart where the book sells millions of copies and dozens of languages and must have picked up on something that's both current and eternal cultural specific and universal that's a huge challenge to both ones but how does one do it with every book for years and i'm well to discuss that i'm now joined by bestselling the region author your last book it's great to talk to thank you very much for being available and. now. i've never heard anyone question why would russia produce for the state of scale why would an american produce mark twain but i know i know a lot of book lovers who are puzzled by why norway such as say such or put together a country with a prolific and very dark crime novelist as yourself do you have an answer to that.

no not really. sure if your nationality is. is that important no longer i think that we more to do with the extent i think we share a cultural references cultural even cultural background because culture has become such an important part of our cultural background so you know i remember when i was travelling when i was around nineteen i would spend all my money going to. and south america and i would meet people that it was actually a bit hard to communicate with. because we didn't shared through references i find nowadays it's meeting young people anywhere in the world we have read the same books listen to the same music scene the same movies yes but the your books i think are also very in the region i mean there are lots of graphical references you write

them about your own community and i think any great book is in some way a reflection on the writer's personality his national and cultural experience why do you think your book says so you know first so. i actually think because i write it's local people getting humor is. writers who doesn't necessarily come from the country i trust my readers trust through imagination and intelligence so so i can just focus on writing about all slow about the people i know. about the things that i'm interested in and just trust that they will. read the subtext i mean if you if you drop in on any conversation you will you will quickly get what it's about you may even. be q this bug well to talk involved

so in with the real feel in the blank spaces. cold distance now results now i heard you say that the year had their perfectly cloudless their region child will arrive before your father revealed the biggest drama of his life his collaboration away with an absence what was so shocking to you about. i think it was that it was the fact that i grew up hearing the stories from my mother's side of the family who was in the resistance movement and who were active my road his were active fighting the nazis and and so it was i grew up with this image of. the hero of the resistance and the evil of the german helmets when my father told me at the age of fifty you know that. it's time that you learn what i was doing

during the war the first image that came to mind was this german helmets on the head of my father it just it just didn't fit because my my father at the time and he would mean being so was my hero and i think not only being my father but to us as a person as the as a character now that state of shock a state of cognitive dissonance that he experienced is very essential to all crime novels this is what the ultimate material there is turning the imaginary world upside down is that just the late surely trick. for you are some sort of psychological revenge that you carry out throughout their lives what i learned just sort of the hard way was what we see in modern storytelling is. the hero being turned into the villain and vice versa. it's

the thin line between good and evil it's. looking at the character's life and actions in a new light and try to handle the contradictions that is in everybody's lives that we you know one morning we wake up most of the time we we hope to be the heroes in our room movies and almost look at ourselves in our actions we have to admit that we were doing and i think. trying to it's not except at least you realize that the bats movie or that's how we act as human beings. it makes the stories all our lives slightly different and i think that's a kind of stories are right where the. protagonist of the story is. sometimes the hero and sometimes not and you are supposed to see the world through

these characters odds and accept that's how we raise him you dealt with your father's difficult moral choice in your third novel the redbreast which dows into the history of no race collaboration of analysis did you feel any conflict of interest when writing it was there any pressure between you as a son and you as a writer. i think that it's. it's impossible to do to try to. remain objective as a writer. at least as a writer of fiction i i don't think that's the point i don't think there's any meaning in tries the easiest thing. just as a historical details you have to do that i am what i'm doing is i will a pig five different individuals who have different reasons for joining them all says to try at least to give. multiple. views of. what was going on what the future looked like what the political

situation was there also i have a diversity of very human motives selfish motives political motives. even idealistic motives which were. also part of why some there and some would join the nonces and thinking they were fighting and fighting for their country and defending the borders when your father made that decision to join the german troops i think most of the stalin crimes and the abuses of the communist regime were not yet known the documents about the gulags and the purchase what come out here is later and similar when most of the crimes of the nats regime were not known at that time happy knowing all of that do you think you would have made the same choice. i don't think so he was when he told to bug me. about his after the war he had to spend three years in jail for for

having a fault with analysis and he said i think that was a fair punishment for being as wrong as i was. is a doubt i didn't necessarily make the wrong moral choice but i made the wrong choice. based on lack of information i did it i made it on the basis of what i thought was the future of of europe and my country was was the old democracies being almost bankrupt united states being on the other side of the world. and it looked like the future was in the hands of either spalding or hitler due to strong men in europe at the dawn reading that book as a russian it was a very unusual experience for for me because we as a nation are far more in a vast in seeing ourselves as a country that resisted. and i think for the russians it's much more difficult to

separate the personal the law for our relatives from the historical reality of war since you think still attempted to do some of that have any advice for your russian fans to do i think you know for me it was quite it was easy to get some song i had to sit down and really talk to mark all the. difficult questions my father was were open the ball did he said you know if you don't want to talk about it we don't need to talk about it ask me any questions you like and just spending time with him and having him telling his own story not making excuses for. what they did made me in the you know in the story can be told in the least two ways you know i was born in leningrad and i grew up hearing the stories of the heroism of the people and it was also around the teenage years when i first read about how widespread cannibalism was in the city and what's most shocking to me was the

people who sacrificed their lives for others and people who ate others to survive sometimes including their own children they leave on the same streets under the same circumstances. you dealt with people who crossed into the dark side so to say in most of your books do you understand what is it that ultimately separates the monsters from the heroes no i don't is. as a world of fiction we sometimes or of these i sometimes feel like the most. useless member of society be. because what i'm doing i'm just asking questions i can't give any answers. i don't do scientific work but i do think that fiction is. necessary for asking those questions how people choose

given moral dilemmas like my father did. during the second world war. those choices and how we make those choices or to me the most central theme of all my books are actually one of the characters in. prisons that choice between hitler and stalin as a choice between the sister nation germany and variance the russians and i think had geopolitical choice is back and it is even framed in the same way this thing and their regions may be faced with the same. your father faced two years back. i think the choice will come back. you know time after time whenever there's a conflict of interest we sometimes come tuesday with moral choices. but the conflicts of interest will always be there of course what we striving for is to is to make our interest internationally common that we share interest

but working to towards that goal is of course a long long way to go and along that way i'm sure there will be people over the world having to make that choice and choices but i think that's just ridiculous relevant to the regions because there are lots and lots of nato and russia accessorize this ride of the in the region coastline doesn't make you worried do you pay attention to that when i was in the army or the air. i spent a year on the on the russian border or close close to the russian border and it was always it was always the grio tension it was always the image of the russian enemy but it was very strange because this was in the north of norway and on personal level there was this kinship or or friendly attitude toward russians. because i do russians sort of save the north of norway and the cooperation between

the resistance movement on the russians during world war two so it was. also the same. in the way that they were supposed to be the enemy but on the personal level you could feel that the people living there were they were. i would say the united states but all that invading them the russians well mr nestor we have to take a short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. for one more of my guide to financial survival this is. a device used by

professional scallywags to earn money. that's right these shows are simply not accountable just. totally destabilize the global economy you need to protect yourself and get informed. welcome back to worlds apart from the best selling the region offering you now is about i heard you say that it's impossible to write anything without being political in some sense or another and. in another noble of yours they have this no man you do you have the american president since you are into the narrative do you think donald trump's name will ever appear in your books i'm not sure i think it. he's too obvious in a way it's. better to refer to an american leader over

a certain kind and i think he will he will spring to mind so i don't think to seize the name it's not even necessary you think the way political candidates present themselves as also a way of telling a story about their societies down involve themselves and i think we can see in particular in western politics that voters who used to prefer sanitised picture perfect candidates increasingly all form. a character is a certain kind more raggett character is as a storyteller how do you interpret that. i think it's people are getting in bits it's hard with the the way the democracy and work not necessarily democracies but the way the elite has gradually taken all the politics it may not be the case in every country but i think definitely in

countries like you know the states it's reaction it's people really using democracies in the way democracy is you could say it shouldn't be used but then again should be used to choose through candidates. i think you know way. it is still it is still the ideal of the politicians being close to the to the people so it's not that need to get rid of the elite and choose somebody from the people one of the reasons why harry hole your main protagonist is so appealing is because he has the vices and the vulnerabilities of a common man but he can also be the winner of the day from time to time i'm not comparing him to donald trump in any way but don't you think that they do have something in common at least in terms of this ruggedness that they present in the world doesn't. i think. the big difference is of

course that. some of the people in power in the world today seem to really. admire themselves in the hurried case is the opposite he despises himself and he's leaning his services. to the public. in a way that it's he's guilty but he has no one vision so i think in some ways similar in most ways his. visit your work has been criticized by sound for its fascination of in the traditional some within say paint charcoal masculinity harry hole is ultimately an old natural manholes plays dragons and saves maidens. since norway is a global advocate of equality have you ever felt the pressure of putting her whole in the position of pushing a stroller or giving him a female boss. no no not really i mean the story is buyouts

and the big jewel is in the vidual story and in my case or in his case this is the individual. i would never. even nurture the idea of writing stories that would function in society in informing people's political attitudes or. having my stories uniformed in the ways we would fit in to what's what is on the agenda of. today's media thing harried the famine this with as appealing to their readers as harry the guy's guy. and there were really talked of harry being. popular characters on the story writing. remember i mean after all the percent of readers or are women

so if you if you really want to have a big with a chip you should use or you should maybe have. those with theirs in the back you mind a number that i can remember in my first novel i have are is the prostitute in sydney . and i was maybe thinking when i when i wrote ok. just. needs for him to do that but. he will definitely not be popular with with women but he never know because i think there is actually a very interesting trend in western fiction the more people talk about women's empowerment the batterer. are the sales of the books that show man in dominant position fifty shades of grey is the vast example but i think you're going to also fit into that how do you explain that is there a disconnect between what people say publicly or politically or what they prefer privately well i do think as long as the stories are honest if as long as you

represent the my. way of thinking and his behavior in a way that these believable and in the way that can be explained then i think it's it's interesting i think that over. function as a reaction to what is going on in society and we are always. most of those locally we are intellectually curious so we always look for the opposite point of view in the snowman you deal specifically with the topic of infidelity and how differently it's perceived by men and women was it just a convenient plot for you as a novelist or did you have some sort of a mad a mass as an author for all the straying women out there. no i don't think so i can't really room. howard came up with a plot or actually. stored with

a title is no man which i represented for a friend of mine i was making and making a movie as a potential title for the movie but he didn't use it so it started me thinking about thinking about this. as not i can. but and then i read. for me sort of disturbing fact based on research was that. every fifteen percent have a different problem from who you believe is your father this was a swedish review actually the number was twenty percent in a no i didn't believe in twenty percent so was it ok let's. wise it down to fifteen percent and which led to the research house has confirmed and to me the. it was i think it was more the motive or how you put important. knowing who you fall is that it is something that we to some extent. tried

to pretend is not important along with that society has sort of taken on the role of the family and the family and blog is not that important but of course i think it's rooted that we in order to know who we are we need to know who our parents are which again. maybe points back to my own background but you also have in that specific you know you have several examples of fatherhood and sometimes people who are not the father is a more i kinder to the children and people who are biological fathers i can clearly see from your work that this topic of fatherhood is important to you while you have a whole series of children why why is it so appealing to you as a writer. i don't know it was it was never like i said it's a thing. ok i'm going to write about father son relationships i can just see the

it's important for me because i'm writing about that and many more books i started out with different agenda and then i died is where i end up and you know it has even made me try to analyze my relationship to my father was it as good as i remember it. and i think it is but i still think that maybe because a lot of my father is so much there is still that longing for father it's the of having you probably still not having followed the maybe because i've seen close friends of mine who didn't have a good relationship with the father and. for me that boiled. down to laws to me would be so big. it is something that out inspecting my bones i heard somebody say that it's our parents risk your hands up. make us into the monsters we are and it's the children give us

a chance to straighten ourselves out and to become here is again to believe in that . no not really it's interesting i mean right now if you listen to. genetic behavioral lists. they are saying no. you come you know readymades your. it's hugely exaggerated to what extent parents really can influence the children. even the schools that we go to are not important. we really can't be changed so if that's the case as parents you know we can with you know it's there's not the most we can do ear very versatile writer your have crime novels you have children's literature you have tried your hand at shakespeare you wrote a very newsy. t.v. series do you still get the kick and the excitement from the writing as you have

been writing your first book you know i didn't mean i mean when i wrote my first book i didn't have any idea so i just i really enjoyed reading your biography how possessed you were by the hero almost persist with the with the process of writing just putting words on the page and seeing that this is his job to desist slowly forming into into a novel so then installed with a process and then ideas came afterwards i still get a kick out. our writing when it works it doesn't you know i don't like any other. normal person i don't do good work every day but those days were. good we're gone it's it's a great day and it's this and feeling and he said in one of the engine is that you would trade all your writing success to be a professional football player which is very similar to how i'll bear commune a french writer for god's noble peace prize nobel prize for literature it's sad he

was also asked why that here would how he would choose between theater and football and he said that here which is football without any hesitation what is it about that game that is so appealing to writers i don't know i think i think stuart said the same thing about that and it wasn't even the football career which is playing one cup final at wembley i think it's of course is something that we grew up with. is the dream of you know making the perfect school in perth with gold it's the physical is something you can you you can touch i was just. i don't for many years now rock climbing our story quite late in life and i did my first well it was a difficult route that i've been working on and when i came down i got the message out. the first on my book was on the top of the u.k. besa list and my climbing partner me you know what makes you happy that you are on

top they all just did this route and i had to admit it was doing the route which was for me a personal challenge she wasn't climbing history in in any way but it's just the fact that you have the physical work you have done a good move yourself you could. it was so concrete being a bestseller it's it depends on so many things i mean there are so many novels being published every day that won't be noticed i guess it's just a feeling scoring a goal on the board bodies it is the it's a very physical thing well we have to leave it there but thank you very much for being so generous with your time thank you thank radar of yours to keep this conversation going in our social media pages out of this year again same place same time here in the walls of our.

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