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the neoliberal order in europe are the protests in france the largest since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight just about a hike in fuel prices and is emmanuel the right person to be president to address the problems so many have been friends. across talking france's yellow vests i'm joined by my guest bruno westy in paris he's a political analyst and a professor of national institute of languages and eastern civilizations in brussels we have he's an independent journalist and in luxembourg we cross louis chevelle he is a professor at the university of luxembourg all right gentlemen cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate bruno let me go to you first in address the first question i asked in my introduction we all know anyone's watching this program in the they can. idlest for these protests

and this protest movement was a increase in fuel prices but i think the larger pretty picture is that this is a protest against neoliberal policies that the working people not just in france but all across europe of had to dealt with i mean this is the politics of austerity under the cover of dealing with global warming warming the people are not so stupid to fall for that go ahead bruno yes of course. miss continent is very begin very long ago but it was the last moment i mean it's a mixture of you know of fuel prices with. misconduct and because of the arrogance of coal but of course basically it's against neoliberal policies that was carried on by my corps. earlier and sarkozy and even earlier so it's

a general. direction against it and that's why. you know the concession the government did two days ago are just. you know they have no one no sense because people. they want. basic policies ok let me go to look in brussels there you were nodding your head i mean i thought the government's response was quite interesting but it plays to a certain procedure or strategy they have first they say well you don't know what you're talking about listen to us where your leaders number two oh you must be these populist which of course is a code word for neal fascism and then number three they make a minor concession but they don't want to have a discussion about it i mean every step of who way shows a failure of leadership here ok and you haven't fuld these people because they

understand that they have the real power and why in the world should poor people have to pay for austerity stared he is making people poor go ahead look. well it's the last straw for these people you know the working french the people who never complain and pay their taxes yet but look at the number of people on the roundabout and look at who is there many women single mothers with kids they cannot feed their kids after the twentieth of the month because they only earn one thousand three hundred euro per month and days spent three hundred in fuel but that is more than just a few are that or so at the gas prices that are supposed to go up for heating and or also electricity prices have gone up five hundred percent of the last five years in france so this is terrible everything at the same time and the price of the motorways and what strikes me as you say is that in terms of communication this theme of it was feet deep and of president michel is incredibly bad incredible

three weeks to come to that result saying ok you have one will suppress the tax incredible well they know that but they haven't won the bid that's what's the that's the wrinkle in all of this here they have us postpone their decision they have a lot more are staring planned it's very very clear what mccrone wants to do it in the legal let me go to you and luxembourg i mean how would you characterize as a lot of people there say this is class struggle i've mentioned it is they are putting liberalism on trial or what is it for you because the french have a tradition of street protests it's a very rich tradition in france but what is the difference that say between two thousand eighteen and one nine hundred sixty eight go ahead. you need if you want to be to our interpretation and. we are to discourage.

interns you are large middle class lower middle class. or moves. even aged to weave was teddy t. you know over the bows that is a deterrent to tides if there are in for nineteen seventies nineteen eighties and it had been so he's a oh so they couldn't make a politician of bush who was a welcome. situation so close to lower middle class today is the streets today in france older kids over generations have benefited from it could make boom . tone no use so the thirty years that does us are going to work you are no you have a backlash you have a systematic backlash you can say they're already behind soon you can say many many different things but it's simply who he is or how much in so past you have kids over poll who became rich now you have a situation where as a kid so as

a rich. kid a state border oh it's you who ends meet your castles and they didn't seventy's is no offer you see any backlash it could be chris speaking the situation we've made course now always university where else simply be who has been on the couldn't make your boat it's a carry over temporarily cover over three years we've many hopes of improvements and supportive of me my coins that should many many people who are picked from my home oh yeah oh no good to air we are now at mccourt's facing the backlash in his face you know kind of a gauge of contractions and even more simple decision of play sions because he had to be in the host to lead. to also go no no. no you didn't all are ok though think about it that's a real stretch

a new de gaulle again i was trained historian but it's not that he isn't it's a it's you know de gaulle ok let me go let me go to go back to bruno here i mean i mean i watched. presidential campaign with great interest because i thought it was fascinating how the elites could invent this guy from virtually nowhere sell him to the media but back at him very very much they used the usual scare tactics with madame le pen and now we have their president the elites president that is completely out of touch with the voters and he's got a long way to go through his term in office over oh no go ahead. yes of course the casting for the was technically very good but have fact cast you know he destroyed all the word casting yes it's a casting it was a pure sting do you know just they forgot the real people voted for him some of them at least because he had not the strong majority but at

least he has a majority they voted for him because they wanted the end of the traditional parties from the were right or left who. create. new liberal policies and he was supposed to be a new man with a new. you know ideology but in fact he was. by the elite to accelerate the neoliberal policies so i couldn't work i mean it worked for the first two months and then it finished and people discovered they have somebody they call now on the street it's a new king it's not even a new king it's a new mario to our next who completely who completely ignores the real country let them eat cake yes indeed look reflect upon that because i mean he did

come in come in making a lot of promises but his promises were to the people they were to the elites that we see this this creeping privatization of medicine for example and and louis was absolutely right i mean even into the one nine hundred eighty s. france had a lot to boast about about its health care of its population that is no longer the case today go ahead look. true the king is snake it and you mentioned or somebody mentioned earlier the faith in the first few months it was ok while the mediately introduced the eye itself it was one of the missions for which he had been selected you know to introduce this suppression of the tax on fortune all the change of it only to. buildings on the ownership of buildings but the main bulk of the the taxes being suppressed france was one of the few countries to have this that's if not the only one it has suppressed that but now the people of course the

poor when you all's them to pay much higher prices for they a few they make a comparison with last year the i.s.f. the suppression of the tax some on fortune's so they can swallow it it's going to at the same time he loves to say that you know it's always at the same time he gave money back to the rich and he took it from the poor that doesn't work you know somebody should tell that young man that this is not the way forward ok louie louie go back to you here i mean it there's been a lot of defections from across the government i mean is his government under threat right now i mean a lot of people barely don't want to work with him. well typically you whose tone go disturb is a shame that talking point to i remember. obama. team state something like so the post a disappointments excess you coops yes i had been on the side of my core and now we face a backlash situations a problem is out of my course you have three years and

a half to lead to create to do to waitrose or the next election sandy to be very difficult on this and he sent trends to find it now gee too good to see that so most important thing to do do do and don't i know he's out in friends who are you seeing. it could make this iteration you have a sense out. there where it was months but don't know you are on the clinics are all down and people are quite unified in terms of the concern sequences of such. as you really it was tweaked are limited on cash at just thirty three voting in friends and which will be over new is a shame really i asked if you have to jump in here so i don't think gentlemen here we're going to go to our grains and out there our break we'll continue our discussion on the yellow best state with r.t. .

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was. welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing yellow vests. ok let me go back to bruno and paris ok we have discussed this. simmering revolt against the neo liberal order one could even say elements of the architecture of the european union we can get to that later but bruno one of the things i think is really quite fascinating is this trip it was and i'm convinced i believe it it was a spontaneous movement that came together and i think the yellow vest metaphor is

so brilliant because it's asking for help ok you don't want to be run over because people feel like they're being run over now but the interesting thing is here is that the trade the trade unions didn't step up their political parties didn't step up it just took this this last element this you know the the the this element of putting pressure austerity on people for them to finally come together and find solidarity depending on how it goes this is a fascinating phenomenon because the european union and its neo liberal order doesn't like surprises everything is planned out to the last detail this is not supposed to happen go ahead bruno. yeah. untiringly right you know because they. success of european union was to create the european confederation of

trade unions and what they call the european parties and these structured finance by corrupted every parties and trade unions and parties from the right and left so i am they destroyed any potential of position real opposition to neo liberalism. there is something they couldn't plan that is happening and what is very interesting is that now you have eighty percent of the french people who are against the government and its policies but what is even more interesting is the fact that it's not the traditional let's say opposition classes which are on the forefront of the fight they supported but they don't do more what is very interesting is now india are calming people from the you know the parish friends i mean the provinces little towns countryside.

very young people all people people who never where active and it was done part of who is in the joining the anti neo liberal chorus and that's very interesting and i don't really imagine how. groups and classes will do will manage diet for the next three years yeah well the elites this apparently don't know or really don't care how everybody else lives here. look president mccrone said there is no such thing as french culture saying that nationalism is wrong i mean what kind of french president is this something that the wants to emulate did call goal for better or worse in body the. this traditions of france and its of its entire history i would say so what kind of president of france to says there's no french culture i am absolutely aghast by that comment but

it seems to be his way of rule is exactly that ok he doesn't care about france go ahead lieut. like to be jupiter style of the coal but he's not the coal he doesn't have the respect of the people and he has sort of left away the intermediate bodies lee calls on the media so there is nobody under him is there with the government and they are on top of the all them and they look at the french so he headed for tickle completely vertical there is nobody in between the trade unions as you said are left behind there they are nowhere to be seen he has sort of one against them with the railroads of the s.n.c. if in this instance it is really a rebellion of the poor whites just like for donald trump you mentioned the populist earlier well this is the same sort of phenomenon you know ok louis where

where does it go here because historically speaking when there is a spontaneous protest or uprising the key to success is sustainability now a lot of people have come out put on their yellow vests and they've made a statement ok but where does it go from here historically a movement a large movement that is not organized relatively quickly tends to fade away because people have had their burst of protest but if it is not channeled somehow my understanding is that these people the protesters are not interested in the political parties they're not interested in the trade union stepping forward they don't have a they don't trust any politicians right now it's a very interesting mix right now so my question is where does it go from here go ahead lou in luxembourg. the situation in france is very different to nineteen

sixty eight mobilisation insists old good times thirty percent of wage earners. those had their hotel union membership and political parties were very very strong at the end of the gordon edes or ten years fifteen years after the good no days you ever kind of does it if you cation over politics you have a situation where trade unions are less than five percent over the age of the house and its political parties are extremely weak and even weaker we've mccormick who have been able to kill social responsibility and the center of tween is what if you read we can now all we've heard in town that conflicts so as a situation today technically speaking in sociology we could do that and only and money is a problem not only of governance or decision means apart arch people have roast turn good structural sale ads before in these anime in this anime situation your

problem source you have saying. sometimes you have a new movements are developed perhaps from the the in the you know first movement was only existing board most. two months ago and now or you have a situation where there are obviously missing three prisons in into place what's he's stable he's not so you know his movements zeus and so stable the thing is that you have a new friend spirit of let's destabilisation strong post haitian sense of nks a future and in just a specter situation is even more who should marry the poor the n.c. . police the situation you have a situation where people don't really know where it's possible to go so the situation to do is to move to situation to there at this time into account of your desire to sue sue these are tax i've been excluded from.

had been examples from ok on front of him oh it's. really didn't let me jump in here let me let me jump in here i think what's really fascinating is that right now and of course you're much closer to the ground than i am there is not a whole lot of organization there still articulating their demands on a much more macro scale of course there's the the energy prices but you know this is leading to other things but juxtaposition on the other side you have a government that is paralyzed in how to react every step of the way it is stumbled and that. to me it doesn't look like the government has a learning curve to be able to interact with people to address these grievances so you have these a very strange dynamic going on right now a government that seems paralyzed and it's social i was going to say a social movement i don't even know if it's

a social movement yet this is the pool is this is where we're at right now yes of course there is there are no real strong organization maybe the yellow vest will organize because you have some you know public assembly local public out and out of that maybe something will happen i don't know. and it will be very important what happens next saturday it was money for a station in paris what will happen of course within the leading forces we have to do tendencies i suppose some of them are all obviously talking now about the state of emergency which means refresh and and orders are you know tending to talk about you know elections. taking into account that anyway in six months there would be european elections so anyway we have a situation. where it's very difficult to know what will happen but what is

important is that all of fish will institution of people. you know. place in the year or keep our. eyes you know people don't believe anymore in the value of. institutions in the neoliberal policies so i don't know what it will turn in the next in the near future but anyway the french society will never be back to what it was one month ago yeah go to look because they prove their power in numbers ok i tell you the this whole euro project is chair of fide of democracy this well people as well that it's like it is it's like it's like a plague to them ok they need to go back up on their little towers and lock all their gates ok luke i mean is there

a demonstration effect for the rest of europe watching what's going on in france. i think it is you're saying that belgium. even serbia germany you have yellow fests appearing maybe it's not the revolution like like this in france but it is going elsewhere as well and you said they are lack of organization it's true organized but it is their strength because the power in place in paris cannot deal with them you can't take you home to talk to people without having also saying we deny them the authority to speak for us so it is a strength just like in seven thousand nine hundred nine that the french revolution the people were were crying for bread now they cry for but it's only a beginning and as you said the liberal order is coming change profoundly in brussels you cannot just simply say that all the progressives and then there are the nationalists this doesn't work anymore you know and the commission can start yesterday they announced that they would go for the fake news like those of course

of r.t. and all those who are the bad guys but nobody believes that i mean i knew there was a you know a real trend let me look let me just i'm going to end right we're almost you know i'm so glad you brought that up i'm going to end on this i am so pleased that maybe finally we can start reinventing our political language because what the mainstream media tries to do is buttonhole us there by that as something new is happening and it's exciting let's keep our eyes open that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in paris brussels and in luxembourg and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our d.c. you next time and remember across time. actually as a national survival guide stacey let's learn about philip let's say i'm the here.

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