balance the budget versus one only two hundred for the all run the risk of having a huge deficit if they don't come to an agreement on obviously this agreement may be satisfy the outlook for oil in the short term but you have to see how much pressure the american world of back specially and so did. another country to persuade them not to. carry on with this agreement the price of parental jump five percent on the opec meeting follows a thirty percent slide in all prices in just two months one of the worst falls since the two thousand and eight financial crisis international oil economist top salomon outlined what was behind the price drop and what to expect from the all market in the near future. in october. price over a blend or into each eighty seven dollars a better. bored kid by

a robust fundamentals of the global oil market like increasing global demand for already. rising economy growth and increasing imports of oil by china all these facts on the suborder of the oil price all in all i expect out of this scot that prices would start to go up i would if you set a price if they go far beyond seventy and in the exceptional they could even hit eighty as they did in october. roundup of news for i'll be back on the top of the hour with more but first here are international it so if you.

join me every thursday on the alex i'm i'm sure i'll be speaking to us of the world of politics or business i'm sure business i'll see you there. now welcome to sophie and co i'm sophie shevardnadze a great prime minister i lexis to press here in moscow to meet with russian president vladimir putin ass maritime tensions are growing up between on care and. showdown imminent and what role is moscow to play i sat down. to discuss all of this with george got the alternative foreign minister. of russia's gas

business hoping to have the natural gas pipeline routed through it securing a stable supply at a reasonable price but with brussels being frosty about russian energy related. quick to denounce the project with greek soil. deals with individual members what will that mean for the greek but it's winter. at the gallows thank you for being with us today on our program it's a pleasure welcome to me so let's talk about prime minister to press and present put in our set to discuss the turks trade natural gas pipeline project which actually have possible extension to greece so i understand the moscow is yet to decide whether this will go through well gary or greece how do you thing your prime minister will convince that it is more profitable for russia to actually tilt

towards grace rather than bulgaria well it's going to be the only or maybe not even the more important issue that. leaders are going to discuss and it's not the first time that. we have in mind. you know greece is becoming a hub not just of interest world but also finance so we're quite open to a lot of pipelines. going through. and i think this is also true. there are some for that for the reason we cover them. there are some legal objections from brussels we've got. to get to brussels why do you think in your opinion russia should go for a grace rather than bulgaria. the feasibility as. bits of the project with better possibilities for infrastructure. but ok this is

up to the o.c. on the federation to decide so ok let's talk about brussels your prime minister has also been talking to brussels about greece getting at turkey stream pipeline do you think he can push it through using russell's brussels will agree and support this there is a very great similarity and i would see between the lead up with this you know so far north slim through history so what will it will be saying is that whatever is going to happen regarding the one cup and to the other so it's not a difficult situation for us we say that to the european commission we must have the same standards so then there is hungary it's also hoping to get some benefits from the project that it's actually demanding from brussels to stop putting spokes in the wheels that's a quote do you think that's what they're doing their thing that's what brussels is doing actually putting us in there we must ask about hungary answer about that about you i know you are very concerned and i'm one of them observing. european

union is our home but what they were trying to do is also build the bridges between european union and the russia was. through with these. bags of principle. so what they were trying to do is something which really been if you sell not just for us and then also for the reasonable course of that also for the european union as well sure i mean i wouldn't expect any other answer from a foreign minister than this but i just you know was that we get for good well but it's just like for for us it is interesting to observe how different members of the european union within this big family are men no ring or reacting to to this or that project especially they got to have lines when it has when it comes to russia because you know that historically gas pipe pipelines that go from russia to you. up had met opposition and resistance but first as lately south from pipeline

another gas project went down. thanks to ia commission's opposition. look we have some fundamental you know our foreign policy respect to fit the national low of utopia low flow in general but we says that would consider that the only way to settle disputes is through a political dialogue and also by building economic ties so we've got an economic diplomacy not strong complement of normal political diplomacy and as i said we did not consider that. the something some minds exists is that i'd wait to treat the differences we have between the european union and russia and then there's like a german approach for instance right. for example in brussels and washington where scolding germany for building the nordstrom to germans were like you know what will take care of this on our own thank you they were very firm about that do you think

greece can have same sort of position if it is pressured from brussels. not bresson brussels cover legal opinions and you know you have two lawyers who maybe sometimes you've got three opinions but here it's not so much about the traditional last vote that this was more about the. interests of the european union russia national interests we are very much aligned with. and we are very much aligned in the position that whatever is going to happen with a muslim there's not any kind of reason not to be up and also with the talks to him and whatever. but whatever other pipeline is in the same league was respect extreme right now for russia is a hot topic that's why i'm talking about this so much ok you're saying there is no pressure from brussels just legal points of view but there's certainly a lot of. opinions coming from america for us as america says that turks train threatens europe's energy security i mean meanwhile this pipeline will be able to

supply thirty one point five billion cubic meters of natural gas to europe what america tells europe not to have that does it have an understanding of europe's energy needs well and i think states have. been you know that but if you compare the let's say the amount of gas that's passing through north into the amount of gas that is going to pass through to your allies that is a very small percentage for the lot so even if we take into account of the american concerns what is important is the north remove it through the system so. if the political course sense of others for us so the europeans remains this isn't a force in which almost respect just our interests and also our legal framework but you know you started this interview saying that you think greece should be greece

should be like a help should be multitudes of pipelines going through greece and united states is actually saying the turks trim project want to increase energy diversification meanwhile united states is offering natural gas which is more expensive what greece is getting right now do you think race is willing to pay the price gap but this is exactly versus this is my point i said that that home is the european you know but we're going to follow multidimensional economic political diplomacy and the one i'm saying we want to be a hub of many pipelines i covered mined by black was coming from because b. and i have in mind the pipelines coming from the middle east is that the med. and worrying that the bush would be leaders to have energy for the united states because this is the position we have we want to be some kind of natural beads with . africa europe and this is the benefit of everybody and it's not against the

interest of anybody else so i want to talk a little bit about its mad and want to understand your logic a little more this isn't pipeline is also supposed to run through greece from israel right. but turks stream team will deliver sooner and cheaper. does it make sense to have another pipeline just for diversification when you already when the needs of you know gas supply are met we are speaking about the economic the bloem i see and not just about the gains and losses exactly because issues like that energy security what the national economies are going to we started seeing interests legal framework european know all of that. and cannot be isolated and one of the reasons that we want to have these multidimensional economic diplomacy is exactly because we want to have at the political level the

dimension of diplomacy also in order to protect our national interests so i think that there were a lot of quite. serious. with ourselves when we were following this approach so just in may a european commission and gasper ridged in agreement where it alleges gas from to provide as much gas as needed at competitive prices to europe so with this agreement reached with the european supply now cheap and secure is diversification there was to be cation still an issue yes definitely because when there's always an issue it's like if you are an investor you do not want to put all your money in one project you know or even in a blue chip you must have the possibility to have a diversity or for you know the sources show us any political turmoil not to have a serious impact or your national interests so you know sanctions are sour sore point for us or russians. european countries are united on the question of anti

russian sanctions whether they're friendly towards russia or not they're all for entire russian sections but that when it comes to the as they don't mind having a pie of gas problem does it make it a little harder to argue for sanctions when you're at the same time getting i would not agree with first of all with. saying that or you're a bank i don't have the same let's see standing on that. one so this is a mistake and all of us must suspect that because i said the european union is our common home. base the diplomacy must be the one for everybody and respect the decision for them but any time that the greece has to discuss in the audience of the european union is for sanctions we were always saying that structures are not productive and the only productive way to

incorporate into the european system of security which is where to meet the goal is the political dialogue so we are trying to be very very cautious like they were that be real but it's with the european union and. of course i'm repeating myself this is a mistake and this is going to be respected we're going to take a break right now when we come back we'll continue talking to cattle gallo's i'll turn to the foreign minister for greece talking about the prospects of the turks train pipeline and many other issues stay with us.

this is the central plank for diet. now we're back with alternative foreign minister of greece george got the gallows mr got without us i want to talk about cyprus a little bit because it also could become another gas producer in the region has already announced drilling plans but turkey obviously has a problem with that it says to actually stay away from cypriot gas until a political solution is found to the divided island but do you think maybe economic

benefits of the drilling to can help find a political solution quick or there is only one thing that the. forced to they're not going to do that are so full of states these are the last fellow because it's only through respect for the national low that we've got to have an organized international community so what the. republic is doing is exactly exercising its shoulder and invites it in conformity with the with this pressure and the know will of the sea and the reaction. is exactly not something that we can understand explained by reasonable for different conflicting this is something that they want to buy this would reject exactly because it's in violation of it and i saw no show in this is like that that is not if it's profitable or not it is if it is legal or not so you have said i

think i'm quoting you right now that his reaction to this issue is erratic and it's a demonstration of weakness does athens have a stronger position on this issue and play push ancora i'm going to float the quote about you but the air. well for him trinity did you know it's there you know it's obviously not the discussion that what they said is that i want your provocative when it is clear that you you're right that i am too let's say but to protect were this is really. implicit proof that you are not strong but you are weak in that we can this is exactly an activity i guess that i see and know that that is not us that we're saying that him out of this year the european council the council of the leaders of the european union has got to act that i was that is illegal is contrary to donatello simla buck

this is so for and when i was speaking about the weakness of our neighbors with which to want to have a peaceful relation is exactly a witness stand for the fact that i can against that that i follow and they release him because of these acts so another issue in relations between athens and aren't kyra is the greek territorial waters because greek grace wants to extend its maritime borders according to this convention u.n. convention that would actually give it to right to do so but i've got a saying well we haven't signed this convention so they're not having any of that how far is athens willing to push with this i mean this could create a pretty nervous situation now as you said that this is their move from an international treaty that has been signed now by the but i could tell it all over the world besides turkey but exactly until you know that they're not going low the

say that the son of general acceptance of the rules is becoming not. bait to be there but also gets the money. so with the course either that the us out i. respect our solve it and i'd like to expand. the thought of what those. but there is something more than that and. it's a demonstration of my claim that there are gays not acting within international no duty to be exact not the recently from right this is enough it's natural and simply they didn't the something kids said said that they have said that the course of the like us is barely the possibility that the exercise of out in night obliterate the extent they did it all in all those but threat of four years of violence is against something even more fundamental the oversea that south of the

the united nations because even we want to have a peaceful corp then the absolute necessity that can this is nick of unknown is not to have the war as possibilities of politics in other means and every nation that is threatening our neighbor by war by use of violence by this act it's putting itself out of the international legal order so according to recent reports greece is also seeking to end the to meet your assistance class of de lisbon treaty to stress that its maritime borders are also those of the e.u. how willing do you think brussels will be to back you on that this is. an idea of president mark wrong that we are back in she's speaking about children at their open europeans are wearing the that has as other bases this article of the three d.

i've been forced to do but i've got seven similar to the out of the five are made to who'd say it's practically that every european country would suck that out back . has the right to ask the assistance of its allies of its members of the european union we can see that us as a self evident. obligation of the european union to protect its borders because the borders of the european union have the borders of the members. and this is one of the reasons that we are supporting european defense got pass it recently because that mccrone in that sense are medical have spoken about the european out of me maybe it's an early to speak about that but this vision of a utopia that its member states and its citizens i think it's a vision of europe of the one i want to sell without first of all you have nato

what do you need your army for nato did not protect us a little and now from threats like that exactly because that is also a member of nato so do you think the european army would be an alternative to nato no european defense it is going to be complimentary to nato and will remain members of nato and one of the few members that satisfy your brigade soon to be two percent of the about that for defense a b. like this but as i said we do not to want to have i lines ideas to do this is not our basically us are not what do we want this to be friends with to get but that i suppose this respect mutual respect the fellow we cannot be friends if we do not have agreed to the rules that we're going to follow you know what i always wondered i mean you greece and turkey are both members of nato do you think that's what essentially keeps you away from

a military confrontation with each other i also wonder. don't be. in mind that before they saw that would be true in any case what do we want to engage them in a dialogue. as a final goal to result. exactly by different means through political dialogue and we hope that the work on that sea of symlin would go and talk a bit about the my current crisis greece has been hit very hard by the looks of migrants into europe but then the e.u. turkey refugee deal sort of eased. the burden and. lighten the burden for grace can and antagonizing actually lead to the failure of this agreement do you think return of the crisis made exactly this agreement between european union to keep these are usually cooperation between european union men two

g. between us and two if you're going to be mutually beneficial. of course migration not be that it doesn't actually say with these. police you and especially within the confines of the european union must be true that there's a utopian one this is also in the. aspect. where you would think you have a way of engaging everybody in something that we think finally would be beneficial again everybody looking westwards in our greek economy is yet to fully recover from all the bailout trauma it went through and a lot of banks are still in heavy debt are you confident in the country do you think it's steering through and staying afloat yes i would have fully recovered we cover six consecutive of course with growth last quarter. growth of two point two percent projections for next year is

a form of growth of two point five percent. of course we have still in the good society that can lay some of it years of misery but was that going to leave all that behind us and not just the go nominally get him out of the problem of the problems of us as month is also a return to full democratic control over the fate of our nation so with other levels of the mochas the end of economy which i really don't update after all so syriza has been brought to power and raised by disillusioned voters fed up with the regular faces of politics do you think all of this and you're part of this common pan-european trend of shaking up conventional establishment. it is not the greek for those the good citizens that they are feeling. this in saying that by what's happening in europe even the european commission that's one thing it's a huge campaign european moment i'm very confident of that and i'm saying that even

the european commission you need to reset the book what the book about the future of europe say is that we are the first the generation of europeans who fears that who feel that the two of them are going to cover worse life than ours and we see this feeling in the that is not that evolved in france in the let's say the. reversal of the political system encounters that we consider to be very politically stable so what is force or is that this this mother meant for the welfare state these explosion of inequalities cannot continue like that there let question is this talent is going to be met by a progress of response as the one that we have trying to build a utopian alliance with other powers of the equality or the social democracy or

they are going to prevail again it is that horses who do want. two we did in europe you know gordon and that's when at least the past that never existed therefore we have speaking about two europe's going to a front it's either you know the next european elections that we believe that the europe of progress of openness or human and i freedoms is going to prevail so why do you think that the ingres the popular discontent movement actually resulted in a left government and then everywhere else in europe in their right trunk style well it is not a universal what we are saying look at what's happened in the u.k. but even i think united states this feeling they're working class that. the amounts are not met it is. as i said. it can be faced either by the left or right i was living. in the zone of.

saying that for the first time socialism is not a bad word though for the americans. it is something if you look at the program of course those who are going to see their political positions that some years ago would because of those who sit down for those who got the word stayed in them so i trust that we're going to have. especially those make us over the. top the list. for the big majority for the working class of the middle class. thank you for this interview and good luck with it thank you.

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