moscow to meet with russian president vladimir putin maritime tension i bring up between athens showdown imminent and what role is moscow to play i sat down to discuss all of this with george alternatif foreign minister. russia's gas business hoping to have the. gas pipeline through its security. a reasonable price with. russian energy related. to the project with greek soil. individual members. but it's winter. at the gallows thank you for being with us today on our program it's

a pleasure welcome to me so let's talk about prime minister to press and present put in our set to discuss the turks trade natural gas pipeline project which actually have a possible extension to greece so i understand the moscow is yet to decide whether this will go through. or greece how do you sing your prime minister will convince that it is more profitable for russia to actually tilt towards grace rather than bulgaria well it's going to be the only or maybe not even. going to discuss the first time. in my. world but the show will do a lot of. going through. and i think. this is also true that as the

for the us and for the federation we cover them a commonality of interests there are some legal objections from brussels we got in the visibility we'll get to brussels why do you think in european in russia should go for a grace rather than bulgaria there are many technical reasons really got it in the feasibility aspects of the project with better possibilities for infrastructure. but ok this is up to the mostly on the federation to decide so ok let's talk about brussels your prime minister has also been talking to brussels about greece getting at turkey stream pipeline do you think he can push it through using wrestles brussels will agree and support this there is a very great similarity and i would see between the lead up with this also for north slim and through history so what will it always saying is that whatever is going to happen regarding the one must go up into the other so it's not

a difficult situation for us we say that to the european commission we must have the same stuff so then there is hungary it's also hoping to get some benefits from the project that it's actually demanding from brussels to stop putting spokes in the wheels that's a quote do you think that's what they're doing their thing that's what brussels is doing actually putting in their will last us give us some guidance about that about you i know you are very concerned and i'm one of them observing. european union zora home but what they were trying to do is also building bridges between european union and the rossiya was. going to be with these. bags of principle with us so what they were trying to do is something which is really been if you sell not just for us and then also for the reasonable course of that also for the european union as well sure i mean i wouldn't expect any other answer from a foreign minister than this but i just you know. to be different with well but

it's just like for for us it is interesting to observe how different members of the european union within this big family are men no ring or reacting to to this or that project especially they got lines where it has when it comes to russia because you know that historically gas pipe pipelines that go from russia to europe have met opposition and resistance but first as lately south from pipeline another gas project went down. thanks to ia commission's opposition. we have some fundamental in our foreign policy respect to fit the national low of utopia low flow in general but we say that we're going to see that the only way to settle disputes is through a political dialogue and also by build an economy. so we've got an economic diplomacy not strong complement of normal political diplomacy and as i said we did

not consider that awful be something some minds exists is that i'd wait to read the differences we have between the european union and russia and then there's like a german approach for instance right. for example in brussels and washington where scolding germany for building the nordstrom to germans were like you know what will take care of this on our own thank you they were very firm about that do you think greece can have same sort of position if it is pressured from brussels. not bresson brussels cover legal opinions and you know you have two lawyers who maybe sometimes you've got three opinions but here it's not so much about the giudice last but the vote that this was more about the. interests of the european union russia national interest we are very much aligned with. and we are very much aligned in the position that what. never is going to happen with

a muslim there's not any kind of reason not to be caught but most are with the extreme and whatever other whatever other by applying these in the same league of which is about turks from right now for russia is a hot topic that's why i'm talking about this so much ok you're saying there is no pressure from brussels just legal points of view but there's certainly a lot of. opinions coming from america for instance america says that turks train threatens europe's energy security i mean meanwhile this pipeline will be able to supply thirty one point five billion cubic meters of natural gas to europe what america tells europe not to have that does it have an understanding of europe's energy needs not the states of. being you know that but if you compare the amount of gas that's passing through north and the amount of gas that is going to pass through to your allies that is a very small percentage for the law so even if we take into account of the major

concerns what is important is the no three moving through the system so. if the political course and so fathers for us of the europeans remains this isn't a force in which almost respect our interests and also our legal framework but you know you started this interview saying that you think greece should be greece should be like a help should be multitudes of pipelines going through greece and united states is actually saying that turks trim project won't increase energy diversification meanwhile united states is offering natural gas which is more expensive what greece is getting right now do you think greece is willing to pay the price gap but this exact reverse is going to i said that that whole most of the european you know but we're going to follow months of demands from the economic political diplomacy and the one. i'm saying we want to be

a hub of many pipelines i haven't mined by blackness coming from because b. and i have in mind the pipelines coming from the middle east is that use to me that i wouldn't mind those and worrying that the bush would be leaders to have energy for the united states because this is the position we have we want to be some kind of a natural beads between africa europe and this is the benefit of everybody and it's not against the interests of anybody else so i will talk a little bit about its mad and want to understand your logic a little more this is a pipeline is also supposed to run through greece from israel right. but turkey stream to you will deliver sooner and cheaper. does it make sense to have another pipeline just for diversification when you already what the needs of you know gas supply are that we are speaking about the economic boom i see and not just about

the gains and losses exactly because issues like that energy security what the national economies are going to we started seeing interests legal framework european know all about the movement and cannot be isolated and one of the reasons that we want to have these multidimensional economic diplomacy is exactly because we want to have the political level multi dimension of diplomacy also in order to protect our national interests so i think that there were a lot of quite. serious and. with ourselves when we are following this approach so just in may a european commission and gaspar abridged an agreement where it obliges gas from to provide as much gas as needed at competitive prices to europe so with this agreement reached with the european supply now cheap and secure is diversification. there is to be cation still an issue yes the office of

occasionally is always an issue it's like if you are an investor you do not want to put all your money in you know on project you know even in a blue chip you must have the possibility to have a diversity or for you know the sources show us any political turmoil not to have a serious impact or you're not willing. so you know sanctions are sour sore point for us for russians. european countries are united on the question of anti russian sanctions whether they're friendly towards russia or not they're all for anti russian sections but that when it comes to the as they don't mind having a pie of gas problem does it make it a little harder to argue for sanctions when you're at the same time getting i would not agree with first of all with. saying that or europe and i don't have the same let's see started out of that. one said this is a mistake and all of us must respect that because i said the european union is over

come on home. base the diplomacy must be the room for everybody and respect the decisions is part of them but the only time that the greece has to discuss the ordinance of the european union is for sure sanctions we were always saying that sections are not productive and the only productive way to incorporate into the european system of security which is we need to make good use the political dialogue so we are trying to be very very cautious like they were that be real but it's with the european union and. of course i'm repeating myself this is a mistake and this is going to be respected we're going to take a short break right now when we come back we'll continue talking to joe it's got to gallows alternatif foreign minister for greece talking about the prospects of the turks to. pipeline and many other issues stay with us.

what does the rise of the yellow vests lumen in france tell us about the state of the neoliberal order in europe are the protests in france the largest since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight just about a hike in fuel prices and is. the right person to be president to address the problems so many in france. the war. with the china artificially.

get their exports to the us in a way to build their economy and the u.s. it worker was losing their job but there are. there was a symbiotic relationship going on. going to be a twenty first century. going to the u.s. or china my thought is going to be. and that both the u.s. and china are going. now we're back with alternative foreign minister of greece george. i want to talk about cyprus a little bit because it also could become another gas producer in the region has already announced plans but turkey obviously has

a problem with that it says to actually stay away from cypriot gas until a political solution is found to the divided island but do you think maybe economic benefits of the drilling to can help find a political solution quicker the. one thing that the. first two they're not going to. do because it's through respect for the national. community so. republicans are doing is exactly exercising. its own feet. with this pressure of the sea and. is exactly not something that we kind of the stand explained by reasons of four different conflicting this is something that everybody would reject exactly because it's in violation of it and i

saw no show in this is like that that there's not if it's profitable or not it is if it is legal or not so you have said i think i'm quoting here right now that has reaction to this issue is erratic and it's a demonstration of weakness is athens have a stronger position on this issue and kay push on camera and i'm going to flatter to that end quote to you but the well for him trinity did you know it's a very it's obviously not a discussion that what they said is that i want your provocative when it is clear that you are right that i am to let's say it's to protect were this is really. in pct. proof that you are not strong what you are weak in their weakness is exactly an activity i guess that i still know that there's not us that we're saying that him out of this year the

european council the council of the leaders of the european union has got back that i was that illegal is contrary to donatello simla block this is so full of and when i was speaking about the weakness of our neighbors with who is to want to have peaceful relations is exactly a witness stand for the fact that i can against that that i follow and they release him because of these acts so another issue in relations between us is in our car or is the greek territorial waters because greek grace wants to extend its maritime borders according to this convention un convention that would actually give it to right to do so but i've got a saying well we haven't signed this convention so they're not having any of that how far is athens willing to push with this i mean this could create a pretty nervous situation now you said that that is stemming from an international treaty that has been signed now by the but i could gully all. over the world

besides turkey but to see exactly anything you know that they're not going low the say that the son of general acceptance of rules is becoming not. bait to be there but also gets the money. so with the course either that that or he has to respect our solve it and i'd like to expand. their thought of what else but there is something more than that and. it's a demonstration of my claim that there are gays not acting within international no duty to be exact not the recently from. this is you know if it's not one simply that in the something kids said said that they have said that. because if they're like us believe the possibility they're there the exercise of it out in ny lebanon right the extent they did it all in all those but threat of four years of

violence is against something even more fundamental the lova see that south of the the united nations because even we want to have a peaceful cooperation then the absolute necessity that can these are cynical unknown is not to have the war as possibilities of politics in other means and every nation that is threatening our neighbor by war by use of violence by this act it's putting itself out of the international legal order so cording to recent reports greece is also seeking to end the to me chill assistance clause of de lisbon treaty to stress that its maritime borders are also those of the e.u. how willing do you think brussels will be to back you on that this is. an idea of president mike wrong that we are back in speaking about children at their open

europeans are wearing the that has as other bases this article of the three d. i've been forced to do by going to seven similarly to the other thirty five or maybe the who'd say it's practically that every european country would suck that attack. has the right to ask the assistance of its allies of its members of the european union we could see that us as a self evident. obligation of the european union to protect its borders because the borders of the european union have the borders of the members. and this is one of the reasons that we are supporting european defense capacity recently because that mccrone in that sense that our medical have spoken about the european out of me maybe it's early to speak about that but this vision of a utopia that gets its member states and its citizens i think it's

a vision of europe of that we want to sell well first of all you have nato what do you need your army for nato did not protect those that live in now from threats like that exactly because that is also a member of nato so do you think a european army would be an alternative to nato no european defense it is going to be complimentary to nato and will remain members of nato and one of the few members that satisfy your brigade soon to be two percent of the about that for defense a b. like this but as i said with a not to want to have i lying is i guess the duty of this is not are basically us are not what do we want this to be friends with to get but that i suppose this respect mutual respect the fellow we cannot be friends if we do not have agreed to the rules that we're going to follow you know what i always wondered i mean you

greece and turkey are both members of nato do you think that's what essentially keeps you away from a military confrontation with each other i also wonder. dorothy. mind before they saw that would be true in any case what do we want to engage them in a dialogue. as a final goal to result of our research exactly by different means through political dialogue and we hope that the will come i've seen simla go and talk a bit about the my current crisis greece has been hit very hard by the looks of migrants into europe but then the e.u. turkey refugee deal sort of eased. the burden and. lighten the burden for grace can and antagonizing actually lead to the failure of this

agreement do you think return of the crisis made exactly this agreement between european union to keep these are usually cooperation between european union men to take between us and to if you're going to be mutually beneficial. of course migration cannot be that it doesn't naturally so it is a global issue and especially within the confines of the european union must be true that there's a european one this is social in these aspects of our way of thinking a collective way of engaging everybody in something that we think finally would be beneficial again when everybody looking westwards now at greek economies yet to fully recover from all the bailout trauma it went through and a lot of banks are still in heavy debts are you confident in the country do you think it's steering through and staying afloat yes i would have fully recovered we

cover six consecutive of course with growth last quarter. growth of two point two percent projection for next year is a four growth of two point five percent of course we have. still in the good society they can lay some of eighty years of misery but was that going to leave all that behind us and not just the go nominally get them out of the problem of the problems of month is also a return to full democratic control over the fate of our nation so with other levels of the mochas the end of economy with i really don't update after all so syriza has been brought to power and raised by disillusioned voters fed up with the regular faces in politics do you think all of this and you're part of this common pan-european trend of shaking up conventional establishment. it is not the greek for those the good citizens that they are feeling. this in saying that by what's

happened in europe even the european commission that's one thing it's a huge panhandler appear movement i'm very confident of that and i'm saying that even the european commission you need to reset the book what the book about the future of europe say is that we are the first the generation of europeans who fears that who feel that the two of them are going to cover worse life than ours and we see this feeling in the that is not that evolved in france in the let's say the. reversal of the political system in that we consider to be very politically stable so what is for sure is that this does mother meant for the welfare state these explosion of inequalities cannot continue like that then he'll that question is this talent is going to be met by

a progress of response as the one that we have trying to build a utopian alliance with other powers of the equality or the social democracy or they are going to prevail again it is that horses who do want to let their. in europe you know gordon and that's when at least the past that never existed therefore we have speaking about two europe's going to a front it's either you know the next european elections that we believe that the europe of progress of openness or human rights and freedoms is going to prevail so why do you think that the ingres the popular discontent movement actually resulted in a left government and then everywhere else in europe in their right trump style well it is not a universal what we are saying look at what's happening in the u.k. but even at the united states this feeling they're working class that. the amounts are not met it is. as i said. it

can be faced either by the left or right i was reading they. are saying that for the first time socialism is not a bad word. it is something if you look at the program of course those who are going to see their political positions that some here as i go would be. for those who got to with them so that we're going to have enormous confidence especially those make us over the. top the list real responses for the big majority for the working class of the middle class. thank you for this interview thank you.

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