tween northern ireland garland and provided also for the totality of the relationships between the united kingdom and ireland and this was always going to be an issue that was going to have to be resolved as part of. the united kingdom leaving the european union there are lots of complex issues involved there's the issue of customs there's the issue of. environmental issues there's the issue of the single market all of these issues are involved i think it was probably an issue that needed to have been addressed more clearly before the referendum took place but we are where we are and it has to be addressed now so northern island and island have lived without a hard border for a long time although of course they are they use different currency different rules so it is a hard border really necessary to control the flow of goods back and forth. well this is a decision really that has been made by the united kingdom which is to believe the

the european union at the time that the good friday agreement was negotiated twenty years ago and the present arrangements were put in place the working assumption was that both states where would remain members of the european union and the whole construction at that time which recognized the british identity recognised the irish identity made arrangements are on the border were all made on the assumption that both countries would be part of the european union and that therefore the free movement of people the free movement of goods the same costumes arrangements the same regulatory arrangements would all apply now that the united kingdom has decided that it wants to leave the european union obviously that issue has to be addressed putting back in place order accentuating that division between northern ireland and our land has economic consequences it has a lot of consequences for people particularly those who live along the border

there's a free movement at the moment people move back going forward there's a lot of economic activity there's a lot of social social activity and nobody wants to see that disrupt and there is of course also the risk that the imposition of a of a real border a real hard border again would have for the peace process which was agreed to twenty years ago which has been working very successfully nobody wants to go back to the bad old days or anything remotely like that so for all of those reasons it was necessary to address the border issue as part of these negotiations perhaps a more or less frictionless movement of goods can be maintained on the irish border eamonn in then no deal scenario under the trade facilitation agreement well that work know it has to be asked to be. i did for. that's why the buck stop so-called buck stop arrangement was agreed to last year and under that arrangement

basically what. if we arrive at a point where there's a divergence between the united kingdom and the european union in relation to customs issues that the backstop will apply and that backstop will mean that the arrangements will be made to ensure that there isn't a hard order in other words that there continues to be what is now called in the in the draft withdrawal agreement as a. customs territory a common costumes territory between northern ireland and garland and that that customs territory would also apply between the united kingdom. so let's say worst comes to worse and a hard border goes up between northern ireland and the republic now some are saying this could flare up the old tensions and actually mess up the good friday agreement do you think this would be enough to undo twenty years of peace. well first of all

everybody. is committed not to having a hard border so it is difficult to envisage how hard border can be brought about the irish government the united kingdom government the european union political parties in northern ireland have all stated very clearly that they nobody wants to have a hard border what is what therefore has to be agreed are the arrangements with apply to avoid a hard border those arrangements are provided for in the draft withdrawal agreement which is currently under consideration in the british houses of parliament. and we obviously have to await their decision on that but everybody from a very early stage in these negotiations have been commissioners that there will not be a hardboard of that whatever has to be done will be done to avoid hard border so i think that's. why we've heard this moves forward the commitments that has been

given all round to avoiding a hard border will have to be maintained just to give our hugh have one set that rex it could pave the way to a unified island and some recent polls actually show it's not just you who feels this way. what do you really mean i mean are you saying that the trouble over this border could actually lead to a partial breakup of the united kingdom well i think the issue of. a united ireland has certainly come back on the agenda. as a result of. the break the decision much earlier than. expected. some people feel there is provision in the good friday agreement that there can be a border pole in other words a referendum the people of northern ireland as to whether they want to remain in the united kingdom or whether they want to be part of a united ireland i think it's more complex than that i don't think that this is

going to ever come to a head count let's just have a referendum and let's just count how many want to be united ireland how many want to be in the united kingdom because the reality is is that there is a very large number of people in northern ireland who are british who value their connection with the the rest of the united kingdom and therefore i think that would need to happen is a lot of discussion in advance about an agreed arland about agreeing what type of future arrangements would apply on the island so i think that that is a discussion that requires a lot of consideration i think if he's to be a very reasoned discussion and it's probably one that i think would have to take place over a period of time there are a lot of issues involved in this at the center of the issues are what was really at the center of the conflict which was the the two national identities that in

northern ireland. there's an irish identity people who consider themselves our issue hold our rich passports people who consider themselves british and evaluate the connection with the united kingdom so that's something that just cannot be resolved by a simple headcount being conducted anytime soon but once again we're going to take a short break right now and when we'll back we'll continue talking to him and hear more former irish deputy prime minister and minister for foreign affairs and trade discussing the irish border issue here in the back the debate on its broader implications stay with us.

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just really his ability to maintain an investigative documentary. ghost war on oxy. we're back with a man gilmore the. prime minister and minister of foreign affairs discussing the role of the irish border. what the exit scenario what potentially set up a move to unite arland will having a hard border incite people to vote to leave the u.k. or maybe having no border will contribute further to actual island unity.

well i think there are i think we have to see how this develops over over a period of time i think there are a number of factors that come into play i think there are not only to do with the issue of the border in an ardent i think there is also the dynamic within the united kingdom itself the question of scotland for example if the issue of scottish independence were to come back on the table again how would that play in relation to northern ireland i think also there's the future economic development the reality is is that. there is no good break such. that i don't think is going to work well for anybody so if for example there were a divergence in the economies between arland and the united kingdom were between the european union and the united kingdom i think that that's a factor that would come into play but again i think it comes back to

a question of want to arrangements what type of vision do we have in our land for the future of our island and i think that that is a discussion that has to take place between the people who live on the island and that includes the people who was identity is british this is a very careful discussion that has to take place i think over over a period of time i think it's back on the agenda a much earlier stage than anybody expected because of the decision of the united kingdom to to leave the european union nevertheless i think it is a discussion that cannot be rushed that has to look at all of the aspects identity cultural aspects economic aspects the arrangement future arrangements within the the island of ireland relationship with the european union relationship with the united kingdom it's a complex issue that i don't think can be rushed i think it needs time needs to be

. taken with that and i think it requires a lot of very sensible rational under informed discussion like you said there is no good breakfast and tensions run high as the vote on their resumes breakfast deal is looming what are your expectations for this day of reckoning will the deal go through and probably meant when i was in london and i was in westminster just different business but missing informally with some m.p.'s. it looks to me like the numbers are not there at the moment for the agreement to be passed by the house of commons i think the issue with will be what happens afterwards because if because it doesn't appear to me that there is any majority for a very clear alternative of either so if it doesn't go through i think there will be a period of uncertainty as to what is going to happen i know there is provision for the british government to set out. what it intends to do in the event of part of them to not accepting the treaty but we will just have to wait and see this is very

much a british decision it's very much. for the members of parliament who've been elected by the british people to make this decision and for instance democratic unionist party has already pledged to down the draft deal and they're also threatening to pull up from the coalition with tourists if may doesn't come up with a suitable solution of the irish border issue can that happen with or what will that mean for me as government i'm directed as a whole i think we're i think we're heading into the unknown. this country leaving the european union has never happened before so this is unprecedented in that sense i think the degree to which there is political uncertainty in london certainly and in my memory i cannot recall any previous occasion when there seem to be the same degree of divisions and indeed divisions within the main political parties so i think the political outcome of this this decision. westminster is uncertain

there has been a lot of speculation as to what might happen if parliament votes votes this stone is a possible that prime minister might talk again with brussels and some. clarifications are sold for the agreement that would cause another vote to take place in parliament i don't know is is there an alternative being proposed by those who are going to vote against it do they have an alternative that they prefer that they would put to parliament which would command a majority we haven't seen that yet and meanwhile as you know the momentum i think is continuing to grow in the united kingdom for a second vote of the people to make a decision and i think if parliament doesn't make a decision i think if we find ourselves christmas a new year without a decision being made by parliament i think about momentum is likely to increase in the new year that i think people will say you know parliament house and be able to

resolve this the people have to make the ultimate decision so if the plaque is rejected if mays plan is rejected what happens to the e.u. u.k. negotiations can there be another deal hammered out that would be accepted by all twenty seventy states i mean which sounds like a very complicated time consuming. well as you say it is very complicated so if you look at this agreement it's six hundred pages it's a lot of detail that's covering everything from what happens to u.k. citizens who are living in countries with their pensions their social welfare payments their health services what happens to people from the e.u. countries who are working in the u.k. students what happens to trade what happens if somebody is arrested for example on the twenty ninth of march twenty ninth dean and they haven't been transferred to the other country. all of these all of these issues are provided for in the agreement now if there isn't a look remember well where i think we're very much into insurgent. there are three

there is the provision that the deadline the twenty ninth of march two thousand and nine hundred dead line that can be extended by agreement. the british prime minister has said that she's not countenancing that i think where if it were to allow for more time to discuss and debate things i think that there may well be agreement on that but of course it does require the agreement of all twenty seven member states who are remaining in the european union to agree to that extension of time that's probably the most likely scenario it's very difficult to countenance a situation that would arise on the twenty ninth of march where there is no agreement i think it's a recipe for chaos i think a lot of. a lot of things if you look at the detail of what's in the agreement. and that agreement does not apply in the absence of an agreement i think we're in

very very own chartered waters simister violence trade with the e.u. goes through british ports what silence plan in case of a no deal severing through the terrorists are trying to limit its reliance on the land bridge which would prove more costly. i think there would be a number of well there are options of course. i mean there are see connections between irish ports and ports on the continental mainland i think i would expect that they would be that the use of those would would probably be increased i think that would probably be an increased use of air travel for goods. on the continent or may not and certainly has an economic consequence there's a lot of calls at the moment which travel from our lunch to the u.k. through the u.k. and on to the continental to the continental mainland of course that also works in the other other direction a lot of the u.k. imports coming from the continent of europe. com by by sea and of course the u.k.'s

own trade with our land is also very large. our land is the u.k.'s fifth largest trading partner there's trade every week between our under the united kingdom in the amount of about one billion euros it's a huge amount of trade between between the two islands and that would be seriously disrupted by a no deal situation the sensible thing clearly is that there there is an agreement that there is an agreed arrangement what will happen on the twenty ninth of march i prefer if it wasn't happening at all. but it is happening and therefore if it is happening it's better that it's done on an agreed basis whereby their arrangements put in place in visage all kinds of scenarios and of course one of the things that the withdrawal treaty also does is a puts in place and arrangement between the european union and the united kingdom

to deal with the things that perhaps made it may have been overlooked or new problems that may arise in the arrangement and it provides for this two year period within which there will be phasing out of the arrangement where the future arrangement between the european union and the u.k. including the trade arrangement can be a great that's the sensible way to do it i think a situation where it comes to a cliff age there's no agreement i think that's the worst of all scenarios what about the flow of people not just good not not just goods and trade could the common travel larry arrangements between the u.k. and ireland turn it into i don't know a back door for illegal immigration into the u.k. in case of a no deal. i don't think so first of all. there was a common travel area between our land and the united kingdom. before both countries

and we both joined the european union european common market then was on the same day in one thousand nine hundred three so the common traveler arrangement. there are arrangements stuff can be put in place at airports and ports i recall during the years of the troubles are long twi are you know that. people have to go through certain channels or ports if they were traveling to the u.k. so i think there are ways in which. can be. addressed. thank you very much mr kilgore for this interview well we're talking to. the minister for foreign affairs and trade discussing the irish border were part of the trouble. that is it for this edition of.

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