maze time up to also my palm pale wants to remake the world. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst we spoke nick international and we have these and he is a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of that it can be of western civilization and resurgence of russia are a german cross in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate i want to talk about the yellow vests first had their fourth weekend in the spotlight here i want to go to paris right now i want to go to exam the morrow he is the founder of the center for political strategic analysis strap poll. that be a welcome thank you for being with us ok after four weekends of this in the spotlight . we haven't seen much of the french president or heard much how there is this

group of protests or riots however you want to describe it changed france over the last month or so you know actually the last round as we called these protests in france is very important because last week. give up on taxes you promised to the french for the season but no depots to go do the protests because they wanted to leave and it's a very big problem for much of legitimacy because since the beginning it was it seems it's a french election actually yours a big leg of legitimacy because you came through. who during the last eighteen months it is it was. creates the legitimacy it didn't have the beginning of these presidents. because many of. the french people when he was also

gone three. friends and there is no friend who drew in. the police reforms but well it's only seen you did increase in taxes so it's no more. you wasn't it wasn't it you made up all ok but you stay with us here glenn and the office of the french presidency is very powerful it was made that way intentionally as a had to say it's a question of legitimacy crisis of legitimacy where do we go from here it's a good question i think for micron like he was very late in this. more or less almost as an independent into this election he was anointed by the media and the power. and i agree with what is said on that point because he was very much this very charismatic investment banker who were the media hailed as this you know defender of europe and especially europe. believed it needed

a defender because we had the rise of populists so when mccomas able to win it was socially recognized as he was the bull work against the populist but again the problems from the global financial crisis was never solved and as we see it now i think it's best was able to temporarily delay what had to happen which is an upset in the french political system as well as people do want real changes so you know it's interesting you know more is that it wasn't political parties that were. pushing this forward it wasn't trade unions it was no it wasn't institutions it was the lack of functioning institutions that have brought people out into the street and high prices of course the lack of funds winning institutions and macross neoliberal globalist policies. across approval rating has fallen from some fifty five percent. down the eighteen percent while polls also show that sixty eight to

seventy two percent of the french people support the protests that the media is trying to degrade me as as violent and mobs and so on when we see clearly that it is you and firemen and students out there protesting and it's not just in paris it's all across all across the country and they're not just protesting the fuel taxes and mccrone personally but they're also protesting very specific thing other things in his policy like his removal of the wealth tax with one hand in the hands an extra fuel tax to the working class and the poor all the other hand he removes taxes from the ultra wealthy and corporations so that we're saying is that he made that if you know if you're for saving the environment let the working class people well absolutely he will scold the president of the reach of he is speeches last

year he made a scandalous remark he said that at the train stations train stations are wonderful places because they you could meet the people who succeed and the people who are nothing so obviously the people who succeed are the people and the people who are nothing is really going to go home and you again here instead of let them eat cake if they don't want to pay my fuel taxes let them buy expensive electric cars this is exactly what the european press is the right and the girl and you know that he was mistaken would be to behave like mario and on that even though mario thought that never actually said this phrase it was described as what historic i mean let me go back because of the exam being maybe it's too early to say here we don't want to jump the gun but i mean if there is a crisis of legitimacy with the president of france where do we go from here i mean if he won't have the moral. the authority he has the legal authority let's not

deny that but if he doesn't have the moral authority would he be doing the country a favor by leaving. that to point to is a very strong institution strong constitution fodder for the president so actually even if he is not popular againstand to the end. but the problem is no easy you want to be able to take any decision because you look at you have to understand are people going on the street and started their walk as they work all the rest of the week so it's working people ready to no one wanted to go to the cinema so they have time to to come out of there on the transit easy and to work and to get out of the country n.o.o. as you say not only in paris but in all the big city well something very important up and yesterday. actually the minister of interior you sent a main of the french. troops to paris but the rest of the

country was free so in a with strong and strong go that it used to be the most three weeks in model. even you know in smaller and smaller cities that actually the security systems for ease of. actually can't no more. govern the country maybe even propose on tuesday to change a prime minister but it won't turn to anything because people don't want america anymore you know mark. you started out by saying this is a protest against mia liberalism and we've seen that it is part of what i know it's a bread and butter issue too i mean i don't deny that obviously here but i mean. the french elites should have seen something like this coming here i mean it's because it's it's affecting all of europe here we'll talk about brings in a couple of minutes here but this is it's not just a protest against my. krohn even against the french elites it's

a protest against ideology i would say yeah i mean and we are i think on the record as having you know predicted this divide because it's not just the protesters on the far right that are protesting it's the protesters on the far left this is the. pen melancholy on forty one percent of the country during the first you know round of the french vote we're still playing out the aftermath of this french election here and moving forward the people having voted for another neoliberal central globus to stop le pen but you know they've seen the same failed policies from saar cosey from holland sun to right center left right fail again and again and we're going to see this play out into the next election and it is more than just a french issue right and we've talked about this right left and friends it's not just in france these yellow vest protests have spread there in belgium there the

netherlands there was an attempt to storm the e.u. parliament in brussels last you know that you know over the weekend so you know what we've seen is still going to play out over the you know the days in the months of that even if mccraw and eighty nine thousand stormtroopers called into the street managed to beat back and repress the french people with but the on going so early as this is the way they're going to fuel it it's all if it won't go ahead i also think it's been fueled a little bit him walking this bucket and it's obviously this fuel tax was a mistake to begin with by suspending it i think that for the people who were just seeing a marsh in the streets for very limited goal stay mights you know go back to their houses for the people who have broader goals like in unseating and this would be eating pushing for huge reforms in france for them i think in their. recognized.

they can actually make real change if they continue this force so it might intensify conflicts i mean if anything if something like this was happening for example in russia i think that by now the americans and germans would be handing out cookies and you know calling. tory a new and you know or maybe you know maybe assad should be arming the modern moderates the moderate rebels. you know we've had this going on in france we're going to talk about briggs that mistake when are the european elites going to wake up that their vision for the world isn't working for the majority of the people you know you're absolutely right because it's it's not the first protest actually or there were electoral protests you know when people just didn't vote for their referendum suggested by the e.u. that you failed in france in whole and in other places and now look there are liberal globalists they have lost all the charismatic leaders hillary clinton can

hold on there can you and i say look here if you examine the last thirty seconds go to you on this block here are you optimistic that the vest or a permanent fixture in political life in france. there is no political party is a can be pretend to be the leader of the. west. and that's probably a good thing yes actually because as soon as he would be a leader. or is designed. to continue learned you know. movement. we'll. most. of the president. function ok let's go ok mccomas go to leave it on that point exactly thank you very much for joining us here we're going to go it was short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news with our.

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welcome back to crossfire were all things considered i'm peter lavelle drowned you were discussing some real news. ok we just finished discussing the yellow vests where do we go from here i think we've all to germany ok. i'll give america

a seat position of the leader of the. christian democratic union which still calls itself a center right party i don't know what we should call no no devil you know we knew for a very long time and one of the most most we careen topics unite talked about over the years is redefining our political language and i think we're at a juncture we can subsequently absolutely well. established during our previous segment look at the ultra liberal allusion everybody here a clinton lost in the united states merkel is leaving in germany it's clear that she will stop to be a child so maybe when that two thousand and twenty one to resume is clean into power but she may be removed in the near future in that you really were going to talk about her you know what is interesting is that you know talking about the yellow vests and all of these are anti-establishment movements in europe even then you look to. times the york times for the first time to recognize the drug. rule in

what happened in france and here is what they wrote these movement of you know will be asked is not focusing on racial migration and those issues don't appear on yellow wood least at least of complaints it's not led by a single firebrand their leader nationalism is not on they gender and of course so all the author of the article is at a loss usually when something happened in europe they said it was crazy nationalist poorly or the russians or the last really. did didn't you read max boot in the washington post he clearly says that this is not the french people reacting out of anger to policies this is russian trolls on face well it is an absolute stated when you know it's row move. it's facebook itself that has caused and they really didn't know that london times russian facebook is is fueled in french broadcasts this is

the headline that i saw russia and for example. this is a recurring theme on this program. never look into the mirror and see your own mistakes no it must be social media it must be trolls it first yes you know there is no the there is no introspection here this is one of the reasons and continues to this because it's not a minor issue which can be solved within our current political system because the entire political system since the cold war is very much been this very neoliberal. format for globalism so i think the idea that it can be sold within the current aleve doesn't necessarily exist and that's also why this media are having this problem how to define it is you know is this put in again you know controlling the world war is not evil for. all this racists coming out of the four for a story you know it's very hard to sit in a facebook so you have all this different ways trying. to explain it but at the end

of the. at the heart of this is the. quote it's the idea helps a little bit because look i mean this is what they say you know micron should not be so a rogue and well even if he wasn't a rogue and this would happen because this is kind of ingrained in the system who is going to be the leader of movement on the march no the minister of the interior who is no the most important person in the country restore customer name is going to be the head of his party you know and let me just repeat what i would explain what said when he said that mark on one their election just almost actually what happened was that mongrel had twenty four percent of the vote in the first brought all the thanks to massive media support the media started a complaint against francois a few on who had the biggest chance what we can but who was considered rousseau file because of his friendship with president putin it was like a crime you know according to the francis and creates

a crime now and it was there the broadest of all the was divided between three candidates so the broadest award was actually bigger the it was forty percent as now what do i see the french source you all just feel for they say that forty yvonne percent of the french the same forty percent who are regular to walt for you know to make a protest vote in two thousand and seventeen they're radia to see their representatives or yellow vests in the european parliament and thirteen percent of them are saying they're going to support that at least or that you know this is going to be looking of leaders and political turmoil we're going to break that we're getting there. it was a year ago two years ago that the western media proclaimed yes angela merkel the leader of the free world well that went out of fashion and it was made of time magazine gave it to mccrie magazine time magazine's cover micron is the leader of europe politico promoted him. carone is the leader of the free world the free world just

what do you still market with go back to that part of the i'm going to go back to the caliber of time magazine leader of the free world the subtitle was but can he lead france interesting you briggs didn't want to go to break that i want to go to pump ale. it looks like a lot of people are leaving ok merkel's gone. across fate is unclear right now and to resume is going to probably have a very bad person still claim and yes. yes well they're all leaving right this unclear who is going to follow them and i don't think they're going to follow. very different unless because the ideology the system won't allow a difference yeah and it's worth pointing out all the because again the whole purpose of the whole problem of the neo liberal movement is that it doesn't have any more conservative constraints on it if you look at you know economic

conservatism political conservatism before the ninety's you have. a national identity should be preserved you need is some constraint on the column if i mean where we have family values like this is actually not the worst of this are dangerous rhetoric so i think as long as the new leadership while the afternoon leadership their current leadership in europe and the united states continue to neglect this balance we had in the past between liberalism and conservatism you're going to have more of this problem enter stage pump a zero mark. pax americana pale tells you when i see see. and comply with u.s. led world order that's a article from our team here. you know if you people been saying you know they lamented the passage of the liberal order what was never very liberal was never very peaceful and it was pretty it was prosperous for a small number of people here and the. pum pum pum payer wants

a remake what's that we make yeah pompeo said that america intends to lead now and always and that's i think we can clearly say that that is a promise and a threat right now he's speaking at the jorma marshall fund which is one of the most pro american led western hegemony organizations in europe and even they were a little taken aback by the early poli very elegant lobbying i notice is in even where he doesn't like we want to get rid of the un we want to get rid of the international criminal court that's no good for america we want to get rid of the i.m.f. and the world bank right i mean i don't personally have a problem with that particular part of it but the people in the you may have the e.u. that's no good it doesn't say it's useless the african union if you in africa think you know your interests best you are wrong because america knows your interests

better than the african union kind of did but this seems to me this is getting down to almost chaos theory because i mean we believe these institutions for better or worse they have a ball through time but it was basically to give all states nation states some kind of footing here my pump a you know it's just tearing that all apart but that's what i recognize as being that weakness if you read to listen to you know who well what he says for the whole world to use if you read his whole speech the main takeaway would be his argument that multilateralism is not necessarily a good thing and the argument because because that's a barrier to his gemini whoa and it was the united states that's so. liberal democracy some of the freedom loving countries that should not become strained or by giving a voice to the rest of the world so this is very much the concept of liberal head of money and they've been saying that only the united states has sovereignty and no one else says so and they did and this is kind of. the liberal version of george

orwell's animal farm in which all states are equal but some states are more equal than others but i would just point out this is not a new thing though like the whole after the cold war this is essentially how europe was set up the whole idea that we should have a common european home but rather have europe led by the e.u. and nato were excited to hear liberal democracy it should run it they should not be constrained by others like multilateralism these limits and this very much reads like the proposal in the two thousand and four concert of the marquesas essentially similar logic we should join the union still going on venus or she loved it by this and it was put in poland to put aside the international institutions like the culture of the marxist should not be constrained by the rest of the world we should have our own rules we should. not even talking a concert of democracies because the e.u. needs to go to right when it doesn't serve us interests he not only took specific shots at it but he also defended the idea of the nation state and you could almost see them choking back as he said that because the e.u.

of course is a nation deconstructing machine right you know it's a super national great ad and we get yellow vests ok you got to be well it's interesting cool just compare concede to the bad guys to watch who prevent that brave new world from congo those are the only other than us actress who calls them bad actors and when she said bad actors have talked about not crawling i mean. i don't know why liberals are going to blame the next driven leader will be ineffective she has a very bad name other than grant. i was hoping you would say i don't know i'll read you know you know they accuse he would of clinton of not being the good kind but she that's right she was his miracle two point zero right yeah if she's an absolute corp you go very anti russian very manipulative i mean like what what what merkel did she just. sucked in some of the a.d.l. . a social democratic party of the central slept mostly of the so-called identity

politics so she sucked them into a party and. destroyed the political landscape of germany and the girl who was doing the same not to lead europe it doesn't need a leader we don't have the united one having this weapon giving out a detailed plan pale poor very seriously so basically i do always you can lead without the leader you know there was a short period but it isn't going to be to let the results of the results are very bad there's also very bad last words that germans and the rest of european leaders what they're most shocked of is the honesty and tone of the trump administration not any huge change in policy what they lack what they've always had is the illusion that they have sovereignty that they're not just client states of the u.s. trump ricks that mask off and lays a bare and says we lead and you get from one big wet towel forever to wrong that's all the time we hear anything from i guess here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segments stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel

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