brother and i am probably and think out but i ride my bike. but not to disney and i haven't actually commented on this case i mean how big is a petition if it's worldwide sixty thousand people have signed up to it so that may be yeah i suppose as far as disney's concerned it is a drop in the bucket a lot of people really obviously profoundly concerned about this should disney be doing something public at this stage what stage do you think they should be going well yeah we are listening at least well i mean if let's say you get over you know a couple of million signatures on that petition then yeah maybe that's something that they should look into but honestly i think it's unnecessary pressure as i mentioned earlier we live in there are only outreach people are just looking for a reason to be offended you know i mean listen if you look back in my culture i have you know native american blood in my system as well i'm not freaking out over the cleveland indians the atlanta braves or the washington redskins it just boils down to the individual person you know people as i stated are just looking for a reason to be offended and of course i mean let's not forget that you know he took

just one other thing just one of the size of a delay on the line you know we're not just talking about this knee here is a big profit greeting corporation if you look at like that we're looking at people looking at right as looking crates of people looking at people it's their job and to the you know the making this this crazy film whatever it is sort of they deserve to get a. you know i agree and you know taking the julio's example what you just asked him many years ago paul simon kind of went through this when he releases a landmark album grease land and there are a lot of people who are upset about the fact that those are african rhythms and african melodies that he was clearly utilizing the property himself and what paul simon did i appreciated this he went to every historically black college and university every university that had an african studies program that was concerned about this and listen to what people had to say and i think that in the process of that dialogue a lot of healing took place and a lot of understanding took place and paul simon of course did some great things

for the country of south africa featuring south african musicians and such or so it would be great to see disney do something like this because again you know. terms that julio use like the team from washington the baseball team from cleveland they don't even use that mascot anymore they came to light that that was one of the still they're still pretty much a lot of teams a lot of college teams as well but the one thing i will say is paul simon never gave me a penny for me and a little down by the school. not a lot of a lot of issues there with dad and all i'd say to that no worries my friend all right let's you know i saw your letter today rogers right political activist. and it's a directive from actually times like on facebook good sports a good machine with full on this story that is generating a lot of interest lot of chatter a lot of people concerned on it lovely to have you on the program tonight thank you . so much for having. i love it if you want him to it's one thirty two in the morning moscow time that this early thursday morning as reported from moscow monday

is kevin owen from the rest of the team here a very good morning to you. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle the u.s. senate struggling rebuke saudi arabia over the course shogi murder and calls for an end to the american involvement in the war on yemen is this a defining moment for this bilateral relationship will so-called values trump hard political realities.

across liking saudi arabia i'm joined by my guest hussein and suddenly he's a yemeni journalist in riyadh we have made it bram he is a u.s. sodhi relations expert and in brighton we cross to catherine shocked she is a senior analyst with my own center all right cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate command let me go to you first in riyadh how are you reacting to the rebuke from the u.s. senate was quite strong unanimous when it came to close shogi and the majority when it came to america's at least how the senate sees america's role in your country's led war against yemen so what's the reaction there your reaction and if you just want to repeat the government's reaction that's all right as well go ahead and riyadh. well definitely peter as you know with the saudi arabia. news they actually denounce what the congress have done the congress itself you know too many people does doesn't understand they always have these kinds of presidents have to

sign off of it yes it is a problem yes it is symbolic but saudi arabia refuse anybody actually take the measures in order to interfere with their internal issues saudi arabia has played on a bigger role. regarding the were on the emend that saddam may be the first country actually would like to stop the war in yemen if the whole parties come into the agreement and for the benefit of the legitimate yemeni government where actually the involvement in he's a saudi citizen top and in. saudi is soil and it's an internal matter that saudi arabia is really working day and then day out in order to basically get the interrogation right all those people who's politicizing the. incident actually saudi arabia rejects the very hard and reject any actually action has been taking for any country. and the saudis are ankle

issues ok i but if he hadn't been murdered by people close to the crown prince that women have been politicized i think you would agree with hussein let me go to you in sana i mean how do i mean you must be gleeful that finally the u.s. senate is speaking out on a war that the united states is involved in illegally under the war powers act and unfortunately it took the murder of a journalist slash insider for the american public to actually start talking about it into per percolated up to their pol elected politicians i would disagree with i mean this. they must be very very angry in riyadh because nothing like this is ever been so. about saudi arabia at this level of high politics in the united states so it's a first yes i think it's good that the senate has taken this stand even though it is only about. this case only after the killing of jamal. as your

guest said without said i don't believe that this could reach a final decision either from the congress or from from because from they still have the power to veto any resolution but what the what is good about this senate resolution is that they have actually confirmed that mama diesel man is behind directly behind the killing of jamal. as well when they say that to stop the support for the saudi arabia war on yemen this mean that united states is admitting that they are supporting this war and they are part of. this war to be honest this is not an incident this is a killing of a journalist who worked with the washington post in and doesn't matter if it was an embassy or not but the main problem with saudi arabia at the beginning they kept denying everything they even said that he has left the embassy they were trying to cover it with everything and at the end that i believe that he did leave the

embassy but in suitcases they have talked to him in bases so he didn't in yemen actually after the killing of. a yemeni here were kind of saying finally that the international media is giving attention to yemen and the i've given more attention d.m. and because they have felt especially the washington post that mohamed bin said man can get a wife for killing so they direct the washington post and other media directed their eyes into yemen because they've seen that saudi arabia has done so many crimes in yemen we're taken here actually you know. as months ago you know i'm glad that the washington post finally spoke up with a basically back hoke line and sinker american for. policy in the middle east so i'm not giving them a whole lot of credit if you know what i mean catherine let me go to you i mean this vote in the senate. committee is absolutely right i mean the house of representatives cowardly deferred even debating it maybe the new congress will in

january when the democrats take over in the house here but nonetheless it puts this relationship of the saudi american relationship very much in the spotlight and that is something that both countries do not like to have happen they like to have it kept behind the scenes because at the end of the day there's a lot of hypocrisy you know well it's about geopolitics or it's about values or we choose one side or the other i mean depending on what you want to hear ok but this is a very powerful relationship and people finally are beginning to talk about it its pluses and its minuses go ahead catherine well i think it's a good thing because then i think this time actually plays in all favor in the international might actually get you know big you know be appalled as far as even as far as morality goes and ethics i mean we're talking about war and illegal war in yemen high but want to frame it and you know the murder of the saudi national

you know on foreign soil so hiver so derek i want to hear from it whether it's an infringement on you know internet policy or not the point is you know the law was broken and no one's. becoming accountable and the international community particular washington is willing to actually you know ask the hard questions of course it's been pretty flies and it's a great case all moral relativism that being said again i think you all favor in the long term in the sense that saudi arabia has a lot to answer to and that is going to have to play by the rules of the games you know or decide to be completely isolated so it's a decision that we are going to have to make for itself now as far as the u.s. in this relationship goes i think they reached. change i don't think it's just a symbolic move here i think they've signaled a real change in the way policy would be formulated in washington and i think the reason being about donald trump is facing a lot of legal issues and so you know mohamed because i could face you know

political issues they need to know each other in saudi arabia so the two leaders all of fifteen are not in a very comfortable position so that again could play in the favor of the region inspired piece goes and particularly yemen since we're referring to yemen so i would say great for yemen and great for other people around the world who would like to see the saudi house accountable and maybe greater washington as well maybe we regain some kind of moral ground by actually advocating the north for once and you know i know it's criticize that still i don't think it's that yes far as i'm concerned i'm going to go back to you in riyadh i mean in the official statement that came from the house of saud is that this was the senate vote was a violation of the interference into the internal affairs of saudi arabia but i mean that's it's a kind of rich isn't it when essentially the lebanese prime minister was kidnapped in your country forced to resign i mean isn't that meddling in the affairs of

lebanon let alone the war that you're waging against the internal affairs of yemen . you know when i would like to state a fact i would like to have the outlet i would like the prime minister of lebanon actually say that he was kidnapped in saudi arabia and he was resigned we didn't hear that we don't know how much is over this is true but however the spec your guess the problem is deeper than that and b.s. is a very strong donald trump the senate the senate the senate the senate to have a problem there is a problem with these senators and there is a problem with the house or something has truck breakdown and the and in the senate it's it's probably close to a mad cow disease happened to some of the senators by interfering in the saudis we listen there is at this listen i was a breakdown in this on that you know there is a problem you know i mean there is often a that's not wrong but i guess we're talking about i know you're talking about a possible breakdown of some kind of democratic democratic process but isn't that

a bit rich fruit from you coming from saudi arabia where probably there isn't you couldn't find a dictionary with the word democracy in it so i mean i think it's a bit rich on on your side of this i'm saying go ahead jenny ban that's a problem as you go into the program you think that because you knew for him to know the prime minister how did he and the so-called kidnapping i mean i recall my president the current president and i know my core having to intervene because mr hari happens to be a french national as well this is now this is not a concern that you guys are leaving so this is. still cordoned off and on the ground let's talk about the facts about listeners and i understand that that is your tough this wasn't just your job can get all the research out there and come on you know you're talking over each other and you know you know riyadh alleging that you know america is not because you know good are good. on you i'll get you. in on your own call you see that are you kidding me conceivably young people critical you

want to know where are you want to know ok i'm going to camp on. please has already been spent catherine please go ahead we have about forty seconds before we go to the break they're all yours go ahead oh no no problem it's all speculation listen the time that the senate at the end of the day they decide that it's not just just i was born and this was dead on the floor of the senate we're really out of the socket kingdom saudi arabia does not care what the sun the things we know how to manage yourself right the kingdom of saudi arabia is eighteen out of the g. twenty we are doing we're progressing very well we're doing it canonically we're very well we have the sugar problem we're going to solve it there is people detained there are people who's going to actually maybe get executed those people who's going to go to prison so we are managing our internal issue very well i think m.p.'s is taking us as a speed over the formula eve that just happened last week and we're moving on we don't care what america thinks we don't care what mccrone things we don't care what's britain thinks we are going straight we have allies if they want to bang

weapons padlocked we i'm don't get this all out of time do i jump in here we're going to go to a break if they don't care then why did they write a big rebuke to the us government anyway i'm going to go to a break after a short break we'll continue our discussion on saudi arabia state with our king. what is the pin that's going to pop the global bubble back in two thousand and eight it was a two thousand and eight subprime crisis. today i think we can safely say that the bubble will be popped but the collapse of deutsche bank. china is a much bigger economic power much war will inter. i think. you have to live with. it and there's lots of

advantages that the europeans yes. as well as a. welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing saudi arabia. ok let's go back to saying and i want to kind of entering the realm of speculation since i wanted to bring in the u.s. process into this whole debate then let's do that you had the head of the cia was barred from an initial meeting on the evidence or speculation investigation the cia

had regarding the death of shogi the eventually she was allowed to speak to the appropriate committee and she came out with what was publicly known that highly likely that the crown prince himself was involved in this the reason why i'm i'm bringing this up because it seems to me if you look at some of the senators they just don't like m.b.'s they love saudi arabia they just don't like this guy because of his road record because of syria because of lebanon because of yemen and and of course the claims of perform which i guess have a lot more time to be developed but nonetheless he doesn't fit the profile with the deep state in the u.s. likes because m.b.'s is well it's trying to be as generous as possible kind of erratic at times go ahead and sana. yeah i mean many senate they don't like saudi arabia but before they couldn't actually find

a so clear case of committing a crime in front of the entire entire world and it was. when they killed the. relation between united states and saudi arabia is based on on money you will remember that i have said many time in his election and media lection the us say that we protect saudi arabia saudi arabia cannot last for two weeks i mean they have to pay they have to pay the saudi has not given a single clear stronger response to. the statement and the other hand we see them they thought they took really a serious step i got against canada this show you that what you were thrown by has actually said it was really that the existence of saudi arabia cannot continue only with the help of the united states and i'm going to just tell you that here in yemen actually we think that trump can say one of the best but is then to the

united states because all the previous president for example they have started war in afghanistan and iraq and syria and libya. obama and thrummed now with a raging this war against yemen and why we think that is the best because he actually exposed the united states is not about the value isn't it about spreading democracy is not about the freedom of speech is about who's going to pay trump is likely he's now leading the largest medicine at a army in the world and clearly that you pay him he can silence the anyone on his step that he that he will continue his relation with saudi arabia he mentioned about money so. we show you that the war for example on yemen and the blue kate on yemen and everyone about how much to give to the. i don't want to burst your bubble here but it's very unclear if donald trump is even running his own foreign policy

considering the people that he has surrounded himself with let's go to brighton there i want to continue this theme catherine because i think it's really important i think that the powers that be in the united states we could put donald trump aside because we always put donald trump aside for some reason these days they want a good strong relationship with saudi arabia but if there seems to be growing evidence that the leadership of saudi arabia is what they have questions about you know you look at lindsey graham coming out with such you know i think i'm going to paraphrase he has to go into m.b.a.'s here and that gives me reason to believe also the cia that this is some kind of message not coming from the white house becoming from the cia coming from well connected people in the deep state it's one of the reasons they have come out so strongly publicly about an ally that they very rarely publicly talk about go ahead and bright oh absolutely i mean we have to remember in the first place that this day knew all along the truth to actually. hang quite

literally because they wanted to and i think if it's within the pre-determined political narrative as you mentioned i think the east here is not so much the u.s. i would say relationship again as you mentioned they has more to do with mohamed ben-simon and the rule that he might play in the future and i think he is or has been canceled the fact that he's not going to have anyone to play i would compare the situation to that of saddam hussein in iraq when you walk away to war in iraq you know in the one nine hundred eighty s. and actually fell to nine if the u.s. agenda and i think that because mohamed best man has failed in young man and has failed in the bin and it has failed in syria and iraq in two manifesting any time a break any type of regime change and you haven't done anything you know in his countries by way of reform in the way that the u.s. wants to change so he has failed on all accounts if anything he actually has made the house of so i would much more. because he has literally you know broke out you know neal i would said in wars within the royal family kind of exploding those

guys out where once upon a time quite stable economy is not doing you know enough or being too well however you guess once you know it's trying to paint it's we all know that's not a dairy days coaching because of the war in yemen and many other issues so it's problematic not mohamed bin hammam has become a lie that insanity surely has to go so i think the question is the case came you know as a christmas gift really to washington d.c. state and bob now they have a reason because you have to find a reason you have to create a narrative and that the narrative today's the the lower middle and he has emerged as you know question which he who happens to be was going to be a former intelligence officer but that is what the washington post and so you know for the washington establishment it's very very convenient not to to paint mohammad bench that man as the man you know about committing all those crimes and you know need to go for the regime to be able to to injure or and for business to resume essentially and so yeah i think you're going to become

a scapegoats but i mean why not he has committed a crime so i mean i'm for one would not be too sad to see him go and i think that this i would do would be quite happy to see him go to as well as the many ok. go back to riyadh i noticed you were disagreeing with katherine so please reply. tory katherine all the facts are wrong i mean i wish you could say half of this one but told us i do actually killed more than five hundred thousand people on the actually displaced ten million syrians but that's the way it did you know i don't i don't have personally very nice guy but i saw what happened on the story on a vietnam thing because you know you. got it right this is you know what he said what the m.p.'s has done for the for the country and for the world nobody says what saudi arabia has done for the whole world the guy sitting there you know all these it wasn't like there he gave years ago you know what it's like somebody here and the saudi. congress talking about lindsey graham say you know what lindsey graham you did to step down this is not going to happen the more

people at that m.p.'s the more support is going to get internally and his talks and his rating is at best believe me whether you got to like it or die and the problem you know thinking you is at the end of the day you know you have those lefties and in america and let me tell you one thing this is not the first time that's a great bit of that to the united states this is actually the second time the first time one was when i came over to saudi arabia and can tell that i didn't even actually agreed to greet him at the airport and he has to flew from the airport to where they away says that king abdullah was there why because he lied he was somehow friendly at radian fayal and for all furness and he went and he basically jumped in the moon and and took america and to iran so what i'm saying is essential and don't get excited about talk radio so out of arabia is not the villain or the country that you come boldly we can't live without you have i because i was out mccrone we can live without without to resume and we can do that with the state but we're going to respect our allies ok and continue with. that however we're not

going to put all our eggs and i want to ask our end on where you got thank you very much catherine real quick and then i want to go back and saying yeah i just want to ask a question because i met a sitting in riyadh so i would like to know how long do you think we just have five by criticizing your precious muhammad and someone because you call what you say at face value because you think you know we haven't you might be the building when the love from the. bottom or the little bit maybe forty forty five years from now you're going to live forty another forty five years with m.b.a.'s trust me you're going to live with them for a long time my idea when he's becoming a human ok let's go back to ok well i want to go oh i want to go back to sana ok you know it's get away from n.b.s. that's a separate problem to deal with here how do you see this we have. peace talks i can ask you right now is the ceasefire at the. city is that in effect right now because i've been reading reports that it is. with the senate vote with this

momentum and the public awareness because there's a whole lot more public awareness now about human i've been doing it from the very beginning i'm so happy that people are talking about it because this complicated it's doable the ended it ended relatively quickly ok and that process has started so what's your position how do you see things moving forward now you're in the country. i think. in how they the city is keepin really well i mean despite the constant. in the saudi fighter jet on their own to still over the sky of. some some time machine gun shot to here and there but this is the first time in yemen since the beginning of the war in twenty six march two thousand and fifteen that cease fire actually was not breach and i think the reason of that is because of the pressure on saudi arabia from international community and as well for the media from the congress and all that has come after the killing of.

talks in geneva we are told in kuwait but none of these stalled cars come up with a good. plan or a cease fire and i mean saudi arabia i mean intervention and yemen and they just one of the other needs saudi arabia has done they have done all good no they haven't the only thing they did maybe that people thought is good is when they allowed women to drive just imagine a country that doesn't allow women to drive and they are allowed them to drive on. some weeks they have they have jailed activist who are like me with this so-called step and we've seen that the media actually. the international media fault because they had been making. some of the see him actually. we're talking about this is fine i finish because if i ever did i thought it would

be actually as a kid all right. i think it worked this time with you katherine the last twenty seconds catherine go listen catherine twenty seconds without going to say that i think that you know in riyadh's really did very. to feel because whenever you're attacked they have to deflect and you know why her ground they all when they know it's going to be all about economy it's going to bailing militarily failing doesn't happen all right i'm going to be here and i'm like where i say there is a lot of people who think they ran out of time many thanks to my guests in santa riyadh and in brighton and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. a next time and remember. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of

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