if not. says that we have experience of the fifty's of the study. crucial time this so and i knew that there was no profit. if there was no died there was no advantage because the symbolic gesture means something in the very short term but it doesn't mean very much on the long term so i don't believe that we should avoid contacts even if the country is in the company and i don't think it's. in the russian politics by simple fact that they fret when they join various various cultural events in russia you say that politically our countries are in conflict but found with claim that in terms of political trajectory poland is actually moving closer to russia and to the european union because of the so-called. rollback on

democracy or the advance of authoritarianism do you see that. it is a wrong perception we are following not a very good example of heatedly because we have a rather populist government this is something through this from the most liberal democracy does not function well. we are still very far from authoritarian rule and there are many democratic institutions who don't work but it will be important so i am definitely not improved by the whole world because also america has problems with this kind of democracy that we enjoyed i have many years i have a lot of questions but first of all let me start with europe because russia is often blamed for. misbehaving europeans being the taliban's all let's say they have . it's also blamed for for example. but

i think poland provides a very convenient alibi for the kremlin because nobody can blame moscow for the polish developments and. i wonder what what exactly is driving all those changes that we see in so many countries and how big is russia's role russia. is just a part of it is different from the rest of the world and that's why. we have. if there's in the reason to blame russia for what is happening in poland of course there was you know well stories of secret service and so on so on this is again a world apart it doesn't want to see the two have to make any comment about it it does exist we know it and it does exist university but development in poland which is to me. what they say it doesn't make me feel comfortable but it is not a data alarming as it seems to be from the far distance it is

a process in which the structure of the market is evolving but i think next elections will prove that some things may go back to normal it's no this is the basic institutions of democracy the free vote and we have seen free press we have free television so there is no reason to make such a because our well i thing one of the reasons why people i saw alarmed is because poland was the first country. had article. invoked and it's interesting to me because it was also the first country to kind of for all of the communism government decades ago what is it about the polish psyche that makes it a very ballad supranational institutions while being part of them don't very much rebel is saying we're very grateful to european union the development. is a good tool to discipline cover to go beyond the ideals of european union and

our government made already quite a few concessions and sort of steps back under the pressure of international international law if you remain defined on a number of key issues for example the issue of the of the judges and the issue of the court so i think the theme of summer in tampa theme of nationalism if your will is also again. momentum in your country is it not not especially not more than in other countries look i'm friends with. and look into the. north the leg i know this is a process which is. universal because globalization scare people and from another you know. lay person and author pathologist but i have to see intuition and many people confirm the deal that the power is slowly shifting all over the world

towards corporations and not governments corporations are not democratic so maybe does the something on the horizon that will be run by corporations and not by nations so disses swarms swansong what we here know the nineteenth century well let's go with on that attachment to a narrow national attitude placed in the case of poland was over decades ago i mean as you said poland is one of the countries that benefited the most from being part of the european union exactly and we are very happy that we are part of the bigger organism and we shared the same. i guess my point is that there is this sliding towards if you will political conservatism that we see in many countries if you mention it actually began i think to disagree because services are in opposition they are not was the government got a say in the end of the law and justice party also describes itself as. a

conservative party and it is not legislated because the relationship is the goal is something. basic for conservatives. and the leaders of course over the course of the salton but they're all in opposition let me call down the populist in any in any case everybody is ridiculous for a little bit that i had of the british populace and the american populace because. that party came to power had an break in two thousand and fifteen before the backset road before the election of donald trump so in many ways i think poland is it at the forefront of those changes that was my exact point do you attribute that only to disappointment with the economic system or do you see that also as a political development perhaps the the crisis of the liberal democracy and well the crisis of the believer than democracy has been noticed universally konami

potent is doing quite well so of course the well it's always problematic and when it was up to no run by people who are who are winners and losers wants to have their say and that's a populist term but i think again it is it is i don't feel comfortable in this situation but i don't think it is that alarming as it seems to be from the foreign perspective well especially from the russian perspective and i think you sometimes tend to exaggerate things but you know in this country this income inequality thing was very very damaging because it was exploited at the century more than a century ago by the bolsheviks and it led the country down a very brain path that we haven't fully recovered yet. do you see any risk for history repeating itself in other countries not really because the contras the social contracts of the russia of the wall were really very

dramatic today such control you may find them in africa you may find them in some places in the show but not in europe not in united states well in the united states income inequality is one of the highest in russia today it's one of the highest in the world the contrast between the haves and have nots right the contras is there but even these who have not are not dying of hunger are not. starving on the street so the average level is much higher than ever in the past and we need some new solutions and some new ways of i've seen in america people who are considering the concept that before you go to devote you have to prove that you know what you are voting for it seems to be undemocratic in fact it is them across to you because when you have no idea what you vote for your vote may be bought by somebody who will pay you you must know what you are voting and that's so easy to

have a test before voting if you know what kind of test i mean what you ask people to make them qualify for. what program each candidate is proposing the main the key issues of the program if you know what they are you can vote for him but understand the. potential for nasa from any place because you can describe political programs of donald trump or hillary clinton in dozens of different ways and who would be in charge of what is the accurate way of describing that small to buy my job to do the police told us who should prepare it i don't know something which is a vague idea of the horizon but it shows the concern about the vote the popular vote and the emancipation of masses is a very universal concern we must find new ways to express our desires you said in one interview that over the years you growing and being afraid of idealist will

lose the human touch your ideas. to other people and i know that partially at least has been your own lived experience as a as a philosopher as a creative person but don't you think that this is in a way what was happening with the liberal idea in general good them afraid of because you do there is a period of life everybody who is young to some extent is an idea. for me to greatest task is to preserve your ideals to the end of your life which is far more difficult not to become cynical i see that people who have this fixation on ideas are very often quite dangerous because the appear in the way so they attract other people but they made lots of damage last time i interviewed you i ask you a lot about libya and the president obama was. crucial to making decisions on invading that country or not invading or deposing that country of

a horrible later somebody who's dealt a lot of the issues of good and bad. are you more comfortable with competent evo or incompetent good well it is a very dangerous choice is that your is that we often have to make especially people in power yes but it's always plights to do given situation givers given circumstances basically speaking i think that the competent competent evil made me more damage is comfortable for the neighborhood but it's not called no it's not good for people who are under this dictatorship but we have no simple solutions and we have difficult solutions in politics so it is very difficult to judge what is the consequence of the market out of. it but the story goes from the historical perspective definitely this dictators did lots of evil to their own

people mr henderson we have to take a very short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. what is the pin that's going to pop the global bubble back in two thousand and eight it was a two thousand a subprime crisis. today i think we can safely say that the bubble will be popped but the collapse of. china much bigger economic power much war will inter. i think. you have to live with. and there's lots of

advantages that the europeans jethro but as well as america. welcome back to worlds apart then we now and always direct actions in the street just as innocent before the break i ask you about barack obama to whom i'm sure on the personal level you have far more affinity many people in russia do as well because he was a far more likable person he's now replaced by a much more controversial person but the person who doesn't try to pretend better than he's what do you make of. well i have been brought up

with the principle no emotions referring put it to sions it is the same with my medical doctor i want him to do his will to drop i don't need to like so i try not to attach any particular personal feelings maybe something technical objections i would have because he would like politicians to look very charming but if no doubt i just try to judge the results not the person that's actually very very russian approach. that's what the kremlin says all along that regardless of how he comes across or sleeps with i'm sorry for mentioning that you need to judge him by a by his genes don't you think that you're perhaps letting off our ideals a little number here is not at all because i don't attach any feedings if we were talking about my secret feelings then i would talk about another values. but in politics history is

a judge and history will judge who's presidency was in the future when they were a bit of victory to the nation and to the globe and which was not. for a lot of people in the western wall don't trump represents a. dangerous kind of politician and i think there is a very interesting debate in a in the western world about how you deal with the ideas if you don't like or that you deem dangerous it's actually very similar to you they solve your dilemma the length and time chose to deliver the use of military force i think the liberal community now chooses shaming and ostracizing anything and those kind of methods are going to be effective. will is long the popular vote is the size of the sixty million people who voted for him. so it means he appealed to their deep feelings. they were probably booting by feelings not seeing the death much about

their interests the little drop of the results economy good results first of all is america going to grow faster no or maybe not and what is the rule of america in the global. equity group so stupidly to judge it's only as difficult judgment from what we know the american economy is growing pretty well but i think they fear is that we hear from many economists that much of that growth goes to do wealthiest people and not benefiting. the middle class or the poor. i'm sorry for making so many comparisons with the soviet union but you know that the soviet system ultimately collapse not only because of its i don't want to call deficiencies but also because it didn't address the economic needs of the people it's what two people to the streets and we are seeing a lot of people on the streets of paris on the streets of hungry on the other hand in other capitals of the western world do you think this balance between the

economy and politics and how figures in the lives of the people changing. i think we should look one one step farther. is the permanent growth of economy possible because we don't have the resources to grew in fifty one thousand years we were growing only one thousand years not before and now but you look back on the egypt four thousand years there was no noticeable groups and grandfather had the same living standards we are know each generation is more wealthy than the previous generation while i. question him biking in the united states that distinctly it's not no longer the same. backwards but when you see china or india then you see that this huge huge country is. program. but is there enough resources to give them all the same comfort that we have in

europe that we have in america and if not how to motivate people when wealth is not the major motivation when the this is greed that's mr trump quoted in his speech about growth this greed me simply disappear why do you have five rooms if you have three but then this is a conversation often the chinese but for western europeans do you think people would be willing she'll lower their living standards consciously to make sure that the rest of the world catches up well this idea of these i think is not very very it's not very likely that they will ever be persuaded to do that but maybe circumstances will persuade us because representations of the natural resources of the fresh clean air of the water will be so dramatic that suddenly we will be forced to rethink what we are doing no interest in gold advertisement which is

teaching us by more why we should buy less this would be far more progressive in the future now let me ask you a couple of questions about your latest film if harry winston deals with the issue of human suffering and the. choice that a main protagonist makes one particular narrative at this point of time well it's very hard to see why an artist has an intuition that that's the momentum is no i wanted to say something about good and evil because i think that postmodern is and always films are. just malicious because you do many artists make one work of art all their life long under different titles so i'm not an exception but this time we wanted to revoke the myth of follow. because it's so difficult because people have forgotten that they have a soul they will say about so it's a different concept it's more metaphysical. concept and this in metaphysics know is

far more. in need and modern physics open doors to good mystery and mystery is. the ground for all kinds of religious sensitivity so altogether i think we know much more open to. metaphysical intuitions than we were in one thousand sent in the twentieth century in this film and many others who deal with the issue of free will and the people's ability to make that choice between good and evil can you all always tell one from another in your own life the disease the fools that easy it wouldn't bother to tell it to the others but it's compassionate effort we we construct ourselves by our choices and the choices are between good and evil and sometimes we confuse one with another and sometimes there is another level which is a lie when we lie to ourselves we destroy ourselves and this is true to the

individual personal life and to the public and to the public life too due to political bite law is a great danger and we must consider it as a poison one somebody chooses to endanger other people for personal gain that's essentially the story that they're portrayed in that film it's clearly evil i mean the you don't they even have to guess hard but. when you make that choice for the larger good. biggest and most of the horrors of the twentieth century actually came out of that choice of a relatively small evil for the sake of the larger good. is that something that will continue. chasing humanity in the years to come do you think we have over grown the propensity for large scale murder supposedly motivated by the greater good. new ethical system would allow us to accept

such solution but this is a question do we see something from or put the physical perspective. on the short sighted perspective of everyday life if we're pragmatic of if we are. and i think without idealism humanity is not going to survive you filmed at least some scenes for it there in india crane. why did you choose that country and what impression it made on you today well first of all it was the subject matter. europe before world war it was. stronger in the empire and the conflicts of today so that was a natural reason why i made this film as a call production of a couple of central european countries was my impression well the cooperation. was quite great easy as it were

a common language but of course the development of ukraine is most interesting development in contemporary europe because this is really the be because the. statehood many many centuries ago so far away that it's almost forgotten now the way they define is clearly as as an opposite to russia and if they were only define themselves as russian in the present time i think that would be understandable given the of this situation and the low level of warfare that's going on there but they also define themselves as russian in the past i mean they may actually seek for national heroes like. they are or are among the heaviest who fought not only against the nazis but also against the soviets and also committed large scale crimes against civilians including polish civilians isn't that also.

choice in a way that you pick something that you like in a national hero but you ignore well we know the story university and even the columbus monuments are overthrown in some countries some people do crazy and i would take. to ireland spoke the same language as his indolent but the after world war one desperately wanted to separate after so many centuries of being part of the british commonwealth and they understand that there are many moments of disagreement for pows also these heroes are not easy to do good work and share a duration but it is a process of growth a group would see how deep the desire of being a separate nation will be huge new crane and crane create its own full identity and if i may because you mentioned the issue of history we see this process. in many

parts of europe not only europe in poland obviously there is a communication process when you take away the statues to former. various communist symbols but also in the united states you see people taking down the confederate statues that. celebrated let's say slave owners why do you think this is such a global phenomenon and why are people taking history only as a current statement rather than the historic landmark. limburg you can apply this with this idea to remove that history and the confederation civil war in america is a long time ago while the humanisation is something that touches leaving people so it's least it is really a scandal is that the names are given to some streets in this is a popular desire to have some basic sense of justice and to have respect to sub

symbols i'm not questioning this process that's obviously the polish before hygiene when you are passing by the monument of somebody who made lots of harm to people you. some hope. and isn't that also something that keeps your memory of grave crime alive. and a reminder is. expression of respect and the memory it is in the newseum then they dismiss it it is really about clear condo. put in the middle of the street and this is been fascinating to hear your perspective thank you very much for giving us so much time. here is to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and here again thank place same time here and will depart. all.

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