advancing the dialogue between our two nations don't you find it a kind of. task in this day and age it's always is because there is never enough so it's not true that political relationship is not very strong. culture has to have a chance to substitute political contacts and that's why i think old people of culture should try to contribute to this dialogue to continue this dialogue and you know there is a discussion especially in the western world that by participating in and cultural events you may be. if not. legitimize it. is that we have experience of the fifty's of the studies talking about the crucial time the so and i know that there was no profit if if there was no died there was no advantage because the symbolic gesture means

something in the very short term but it doesn't mean very much on the long term so i don't believe that we should avoid contacts even if the country is in the company and i don't think it's. in the russian politics by simple fact that they fret when they join various various cultural events in russia you say that politically our countries are in conflict but found with claim that in terms of political trajectory poland is actually moving closer to russia and to the european union because of the so-called. rollback on democracy or the advance of authoritarianism do you see that. no i think it is a wrong perception we are following not a very good example of heatedly because we have a rather populist government this is a sign that something in through this from the most liberal democracy does not

function well. we are still very far from authoritarian rule and there are many democratic institutions who don't work but it will be important so i am definitely both improved by the whole world because also america has problems with this kind of the. we enjoyed i have many years i have a lot of questions but first of all let me start with europe because russia is often blamed for. behaving europeans being the taliban's all let's say they hang gary and it's also blamed for for example for the president. but i think poland provides a very convenient alibi for the kremlin because nobody can blame. for the polish developments and. i wonder what what exactly is driving all those changes that we see in so many countries and how big is russia's role well this is russia. is just

part is different from the rest of the world and that's why i don't think we have to do those in the reason to blame russia for what is happening in poland because there was you know well stories of secret service and so on so want this is again a world apart it doesn't want to to have to make any comment about it it does exist we know it's and it does exist university but development in poland which is to me . what we do see it doesn't make me feel comfortable but it is not. as it seems to be from the far distance it is a process in which the structure of the mocha is evolving but i think next elections will prove that some things we go back to normal it's no this is the basic institutions of democracy the free vote and we have seen free press we have free televisions so there is no reason to make such

a because i'm well i think one of the reasons why people are saw alarmed is because poland was the first country. had article. invoked and it's interesting to me because it was also the first country to kind of for all of the communism. government decades ago what is it about the polish psyche that makes it very ballad supranational institutions while being part of them don't very much rebellious and we're very grateful to european union the development. is a good tool to discipline government and seek to go beyond the ideals of european union and our government made already quite a few concessions and steps back under the pressure of international international let it be if you remain defined on a number of key issues for example the issue of the of the judges and the issue of the court so i think the theme of somewhere in tampa theme of nationalism if your

will is also gaining momentum in your country is it not not especially not more than in other countries look on fronts was. and looking to the. north the leg i know this is a process which is a universal because globalization scared people and from another you know. the lay person and the other pathologists but they have to see intuition and many people confirm the deal that the power is slowly shifting all over the world towards corporations and not governments corporations are not democratic so maybe does the something on the horizon that will be run by corporations and not by nations so does this swarms swansong what we here know the nineteenth century attachment to the narrow national national entity well let's

go with on that attachment to a narrow national entity at least in the case of poland was over in decades ago i mean as you said poland is one of the countries that benefited the most from being part of the european union exactly and we are very. we are part of the bigger organism and we shared the same. i guess my point is that this sliding towards if you will political conservatism that we see in many countries if you mention it actually began i think to disagree because. everything is in opposition they are not was the government. and justice party also describes itself as. a conservative party and. it is not legitimate because the relationship is the law is something. basic for conservative. leaders of course over the course of the

sultan but they're all in opposition let me call down the populist in any in any case everybody is ridiculous for a little bit they had of the british populace and the american populace because that party came to power had a break in two thousand and fifteen before the backset before the election of donald trump so in many ways i think poland is it at the forefront of those changes that was my exact point do you attribute that only to disappointment with the economic system or do you see that also as a political development perhaps the crisis of the liberal democracy and well the crisis of the bigger than democracy is has been noticed universally economically potent is doing quite well so of course the well it's always problematic and. up to no run by people who are who are winners and losers wants to have their say and that's a populist term but i think again it is it is i don't feel comfortable in this

situation but i don't think it is that alarming as it seems to be from the foreign perspective well especially from the russian perspective and i think we sometimes tend to exaggerate things but you know in this country this income inequality thing was. very very damaging because it was exploited at the century more than a century ago by the bolsheviks and it led the country down a very brain path that we haven't fully recovered yet. do you see any risk for history repeating itself in other countries not really because the contras the social contracts of the russia of the wall were really very dramatic today such contras you may find them in africa you may find them in some places in asia but not in europe not in united states while in the united states income inequality is one of the highest in russia today it's one of the highest in

the world the contrast between the haves and have nots right the contras is there but even these who have not are not dying of hunger are not starving on the street so the average level is much higher than ever in the past and we need some new solutions and some new ways of i've seen in america people who're. considering the concept that before you go to devote you have to prove that you know what you are voting for it seems to be undemocratic in fact it is them across to you because when you have no idea what you vote for your vote may be bought by somebody who will pay you you must know what you are voting and that's so easy to have a test before voting if you know what kind of test i mean what you ask people to make them qualify for. what program each candidate is proposing the main the key issues of the program if you know what they are you can vote for him but i

understand the. potential for nasa from any place because you can describe political programs of donald trump or hillary clinton in dozens of different ways and who would be in charge of what is the accurate way of describing. my job to do the police told which is who should prepare it i don't know something which is a vague idea on the horizon but it shows the concern about the vote the popular vote and the emancipation of masses is a very universal concern we must find a new way to express our desires he said in one interview that over the years you growing and being afraid of idealist will lose the human touch with ideas. to other people and i know that partially at least has been the only experience as a as a philosopher as a creative person but don't you think that this is in

a way what was happening with the liberal idea in general good them afraid of because you do there is a period of life everybody who is young to some extent it's an idea. for me to great this task is to preserve your ideals to the end of your life which is far more difficult not to become cynical you see that people who have this fixation on ideas are very often quite dangerous because. the appear in a way so they attract other people but the media make lots of damage last time i interviewed here i ask you a lot about libya and the president obama was. crucial to making decisions on invading that country or not invading or deposing that country of a horrible later somebody who is dealt a lot of the issues of good and bad. are you more comfortable with competent evil or incompetent good well it is a very dangerous. thing that your is that we often have to make especially people

in power yes but it's always to dick given situation given given circumstances basically speaking i think that the competent competent evil may make more damage is comfortable for the neighborhood but it's not cause it's not good for people who are under this dictatorship but we have no simple solutions and we have difficult solutions in politics so it is very difficult to judge. what is the consequence of overthrowing a sub. or more market out and what i can think of now if you bought the story go from the historical perspective definite the this dictator has . lots of people to their own people mr gundersen we have to take a very short break now but to get back in just a few moments stay tuned. china

much bigger economic power lunch or wall inter. i think. you have to live with that. and there's lots of advantages that the europeans jethro but as well as america.

welcome back to worlds apart and we now. always directions and i think this is innocent before the break i ask you about barack obama i'm sure on a personal level you have far more affinity and many people in russia do as well because he was a far more likable person he's now replaced by a much more controversial person but the person who doesn't try to break down better than he. what do you make of don't. well have been brought up

with a principle no emotions referring put it to sions is this a was my medical doctor i want him to do his will to drop a good need to like so i try not to attach any particular person feelings maybe something technical objections i would have because he would like politicians to look very charming but if no doubt i just try to judge the results not the person that's actually very very russian approach. that's what the kremlin says all along that regardless of how he comes across or sleeps with i'm sorry for mentioning that you need to judge him by a by his deeds don't you think that you're perhaps letting off a. deal is a little known here it's not a job because i don't attach any feedings if we were talking about my secret feelings then i would talk about it. but in politics history is a judge and history will judge who's presidency was in the future to really rebuild

a victory to the nation and to the globe and which was not. for a lot of people in the western wall. represents a. dangerous kind of politician and i think there is a very interesting debate in in the western world about how you deal with the ideas if you don't like or that you deem dangerous it's actually very similar to the solving a dilemma the late soviet and the time chose to deliver the use of military. force i think the liberal community now chooses shaming and ostracizing anything those kind of methods are going to be effective. will as long as the popular vote is decisive then all their sixty million people who voted for him. so it means he appealed to their deep feelings because they were probably booting by feedings not

seeing the death much about their interests that is just the results economy who results first of all is america going to grow faster no or maybe not and what is the rule of america in the global. equity group so stupidly to judge its only as difficult judgment from what we know the american economy is growing pretty well but i think they fear is that we hear from many economists is that much of the growth goes to wealthiest people and not benefiting. the middle class or the poor. i'm sorry for making so many comparisons with the soviet union but you know that the soviet system ultimately collapse not only because of its i don't want to call deficiencies but also because it didn't address the economic needs of the people it's what two people to the streets and we are seeing a lot of people on the streets of paris on the streets of hungry on the other in other capitals of the western world do you think this balance between economy and

politics and how figures in the lives of people changing changing about i think we should look one one step farther. these permanent groups of a common be possible because we don't have the resources to grew in fifty one thousand years we were growing only one thousand years not before and now but you look back on the egypt four thousand years there was no noticeable groups. grandfather had the same living standards we all know each generation is more wealthy than the previous generation while i. question him by hanging him in the united states that distinctly it's now no longer the same. backwards but when you see china or india then you see that this huge huge country is. progressing but is there enough

resources to give them all the same comfort that we have in europe that we have in america and if not how to motivate people when wealth is not the major motivation when the this grieved mr trump. speech about growth this greed may simply disappear why do you have five rooms if you have three but then this is a conversation often the chinese but for western europeans do you think people would be willing to lower their living standards consciously to make sure that the rest of the world catches up well this idea of these i think is not very very it's not very likely that they will ever be persuaded but maybe circumstances will persuade us because representations of the natural resources of the fresh clean air of the water will be so dramatic that suddenly we will be forced to rethink what we are doing no interest in gold advertisement which is teaching us by more why we

should buy less this would be far more progressive in the future now let me ask you a couple of questions about your latest film if harry winston deals with the issue of human suffering and the. choice that a main protagonist makes one juror to that particular narrative at this point of time well it's very hard to see why an artist has an intuition that that's the momentum is no i wanted to say something about good and evil because i think postmodern is and always films are about. yes melissa yes because you know many artists make one work of art all their life long under different titles so i'm not an exception but this time i wanted to revoke the myth of follow. because it's so difficult because you have forgotten that they have a soul they will say about so it's a different concept it's more metaphysical concept and this is where the physics know is far more. in need and modern physics opened

doors to the mystery and mystery is. the ground for all kind of religious sensitivity so altogether i think we are no much more open to. metaphysical intuitions than we were in one thousand sent in the twentieth century in this film and many others who deal with the issue of free will and the people's ability to make that choice between good and evil can you always tell one from another in your own life the disease the fools that easy it wouldn't bother to tell it to the others but is it compassionate effort we we construct ourselves by our choices and the choices are between good and evil and sometimes we confuse one with another and sometimes there is another level which is a lie when we lie to ourselves with destroy ourselves and this is true to the individual personal life and to the public and to the to the public life to to to

political bite law is a great danger we must consider which is a poison one somebody chooses to endanger other people for personal gain that's essentially the story that they're portraying that film is clearly evil i mean you don't they even have to guess hard but. you make that choice for the larger good it's far more ambiguous and most of the horrors of the twentieth century actually came out of that choice of a relatively small evil for the sake of the larger good. is that something that will continue and if chasing humanity in the years to come why do you think we have over grown that concept here for large scale murder supposedly motivated by the greater good i think that a new ethical system would allow us to accept substitution

but this is a question do we see something from open to physical perspective or do we see it on the on the short sighted perspective of everyday life if we're pragmatic of if we are. and i think a deity is humanity is not going to survive you filmed at least some scenes. in ukraine. why did you choose that can share what impression it made on you today well first of all it was the subject matter. europe before world war it was. also hungary and empire and the conflict of two of them so that was a natural reason why i made this film as a cop production of a couple of central european countries what was my impression well the cooperation that was great was quite great easy as it was with hungary and to india and italy

fortunately with somehow find total common language but of course the development of ukraine is most interesting development in contemporary europe because this is really the big big nation is the process of defining itself because they had statehood many many centuries ago so far away that it's almost forgot. now the way they define is clearly as as an opposite to russia and if they were only define themselves as a russian in the present time i think that would be understandable given the this situation and the low level of warfare that's going on there but they also define themselves as russian in the past i mean they actively seek for national heroes like. they are or are. fought not only against the nazis but also against this. and also committed large scale crimes against civilians

including polish civilians. also choice in a way that you pick something that you like in a national hero but you ignore well we know the story universe even. more humans are overthrown in some countries so people do crazy. to ireland spoke the same language as england but the. desperately wanted to separate after so many centuries of being part of british commonwealth and they understand that there are many moments when disagreement for . these heroes are not easy to do because of share of the ration but it is the process of groups who would see how deep the desire of being

a separate nation will be huge new crane and crane create its own full identity and if i may because you mentioned the issue of history we see this process. in many parts of europe and not only europe in poland obviously there is a communication process when you take away the statues to former with various. communist symbols but also in the united states you see people taking down the confederate statues that. celebrate it let's say slave owners why do you think this is such a global phenomenon and why do people take it. as a current statement rather than the historic landmark. you can apply this with this idea to remove the confederation civil war in america a long time ago while the humanisation is something that touches the leaving people so it's these really scum that it was the names given to some streets this is

a popular desire to have some basic sense of justice and to have respect to sub symbols. i'm not questioning this process that's obviously. polish people's riot. was necessary for hygiene when you were passing by the monument of somebody who made lots of harm to people you somehow poison the atmosphere and isn't that also something that keeps your memory of grave crime alive. reminders. of respect and the memory if it is in the museum then it is really in doubt clear kondo always think so because moments are put in the middle of the street. to hear your perspective thank you very. much. conversation going on our social media pages and

here again same place same time here and while the party. imagine being a six thirty five and you have a career and a career involves using your i phone in your computer and things like that in an

office and perhaps you start getting hit circulars you could have to stop doing all this and this is tell you lou the minutes must be from my world became smaller and smaller and smaller until i ended up running it and the box. around it a very strong magnetic field on the card held in my head. think of it like a real hard pressure my skin burns and that wireless access point out there it's just continuous all day with our students in the schools. we are just continually bathing our citizens in this microwave radiation it is certainly electro small and it's getting worse.

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