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whole other matter take journalist. he faked his own death with the help of the ukrainian secret service attempting to pin the blame on russia for an assassination it was a calculated deliberate international terrorist crime with killed due to his professional activities he was only working on things that were critical and investigative of russia. it was one of the biggest fake news stories of the year but he was even given the time award for journalistic bravery if the mainstream media insists you should question less you might want to take a second to question more donald quarter r.t. . rush's media regulator has launched an investigation into whether the b.b.c. world news which broke. the b.b.c.'s websites are in compliance with russia's laws within the cauldron of or is following that story. the b.b.c. has already commented on this new development saying that in russia as in any other
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country the company brings independent information to its audience following old rules and regulations by the local government now russia's media regulator launched this investigation into the b.b.c. world news just a day after the british media regular said that the news channel broke impartiality rules and the kremlin says that that was a measure taken and response. of course it's a retaliatory measure. there are plenty of questions for the b.b.c. overall coverage of some events coverage i should show you so gentle driven unbiased however no one can judge the channel except the special regulator. and we are now seeing this investigation earlier this year off gone which is the british media regulator launched a number of investigations into to determine whether the channel had complied with
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the broadcasting rules and as a result of these investigations off calm has found that the news channel broke broadcasting rules by failing to preserve due impartiality and relation to seven use programs and the aftermath of the souls very nerve agent poisoning. that it was a deeply disappointed by the results of this this investigation it also added that it appears off calm has failed to food take on board what was said in response to its investigations and also the channel said that it broadcasts in the u.k. following old rules by the british regulator. and we'll let you know how that story continues to pan out we are all to international broadcasting live from moscow twenty four hours a day don't forget to check out our website as well. because one from a good night. hello
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and welcome to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle not long ago the political left to the guardians of free speech along with the big tech to the left today has gone from protecting speech to enforcing speech even to the point of penalizing you if you say the wrong thing in public you could lose your job and liability and welcome to the era of simply shut up and not.
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talking in forced speech i'm joined by my guest emanuel galvin paris she is a french lawyer in new york we have lionel he is a legal analyst in the news decoder at lionel media dot com and in lake jackson we cross again to make adams he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity all right let me go to danielle first hero we're pretty much the same age here i would i remember growing up and it was a time of of being sensitive to people let's put it that way there are certain words in our vocabulary i'm sure we probably exist in french as well is that things you don't say and i think you know what i'm talking about and you know what i thought that was all right i think that's cool all right all right but in the last two days we had a virginia teacher fired for using the wrong. or the. preferred not using the preferred pronoun of a student and then we had
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a texas elementary school teacher who refused to sign a pro israel oath is fired now this is in forcing speech it is not protecting speech how did we get here go ahead daniel well i think we got here partially with the idea that somehow the state could keep all of us safe and i hate to drive a thing back to foreign policy but i think a lot of it had to do with the concept of preemptive warfare the idea that through the application of force we could create a perfect society and i think that concept that ideas permeated our fortune are permeates the left to weaponize our own thoughts to weaponize our own thought processes if you control what someone must say then you control how they think you control their mind so i think it comes from the idea that the use of force is ok if it makes you safe and of course ultimately as we know from foreign policy and from for speech it doesn't make you safe well emmanuelle i mean what is happening right
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now is not it's simply a rejection of the very foundation of western civilization now i know there is a lot of millennia old in all of hollywood and all of the universities hate the idea of western civilization but they have everything they have now because of western civilization a topic from another program but their want to deny freedom of speech and they are intentionally actively undermining freedom of speech emmanuelle in paris please. yes well actually if you think about it somehow this may be nothing new under the sun because if you think about the logos since the greek philosopher since i was still of socratic plato this is the way it has always been said that he controls the logos we control the political life of the country right and we have seen that best that never in the one thousand nine hundred four georgia all well when they create the. newspeak so now we have this whole population in hollywood that you
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were referring to people that are in a way oftens of the late tyranny of the late that was u.s.s.r. so they thought well what what could we invest and they thought well we'll invest in a new type of world we will create a new speak and we'll make this new war about one side is the planet and they'll decide is this gender war and trying to put against all the values that we have the notion of country the notion of family the even the word of nation and it has been done for century if you think about it and dictators in europe have been very good at creating new languages from hitler to the u.s.s.r. in the old days so controlling the logos in no way is something that and to a new grow they tell and philosopher used to say control the world of the education the worse and one generation later you will have the power in politics and this is what is happening which is why we need us us conservative to react and say no no no
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no we are know what you're doing guys we've seen it before yeah what we're what they'll try to do is they'll get you fired ok or you have to go somewhere else lionel because the word smith on our panel here i mean daniel hit the nail on the head here this is a form of mind control and as i said in my introduction if you don't agree then you have to shut up and nod ok or they'll be penalties and they're serious ones go ahead lionel. while we have you know up in the world of nature normally things go extinct or become extinct here we have new species that pop up and these new species these new mirrors are an amalgam of social justice warriors virtues signallers and others who get together and they create what i call not the thought police but this. vigilantes and what they are is these are citizen mobs o'clock
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receives less talk about these these this herd mentality like memory of of sparrows and starlings that they moved and today they're more allergies you have the more sensitive it is you show the more that you can show i'm upset by this word here my allergies i have ever met these people but they're not is this these are people who show allergies to this word i have a new word my pronoun is that's the way you say it's a clicking sound and if you don't say that i will not only disagree with you i'll have you fired and removed from humanity now i move up the pecking order because i have another allergy another overreaction and i am more upset and angry over this and we turn this into a fad it's how many our genes do you have we should have like. fruit salad like
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they have in the military to show how many words and how many things upset annoy you that's really how we are still it's the thought the land tease you know daniel it's it's you know not only the rejection of freedom of speech but actually the rule of law this is what i find terrifying look at look what happened to her during the kavanagh hearings ok this was this herd and it was it was one of the most profound moments i think or an indication of how far it's gone an accusation is a conviction if you don't call me something that i want then you're transphobia a bigot or a racist i mean this is this amazing slippery slope and it has real consequences because then you do rule lose the rule of law and the right to self protection i mean i'm offended every time i. turn on cable news ok but that's a that's ok to be offended when your friend did you learn ok that's how i know how
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to push back ok listening to all their jargon you know if you actually do not want you to think they want you to repeat go ahead daniel and i think the core of this is really the the rise of the concept of collective rights versus rights and cherish in western civilization individual rights individual liberties and with that goes individual responsibilities which you alluded to of course at first words that you would not say because you're a polite person but the whole concept of collective rights is about the destruction of the individual it's about using force to force someone else and if you if you are using that force if the individual no longer has any value as an individual then truth itself doesn't matter and i'm glad you brought up the kavanaugh hearings because even when false hoods were exposed. to this group rights mentalities it doesn't matter if they were lying the concept of what they were pushing was right
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and i think it's fortunate that we have the french guess here because i think a lot of this ideas goes back to the french revolution the whole concept of truth the whole concept of reality of existence was turned on its head and that's what we're seeing now with the rise of collective rights collective rights really is another word for authoritarianism and tyranny. in many ways how do you see that i mean we were basically three americans and we have a french person so maybe you could give us the angle there go ahead. you. know i think it's very true to look at it i mean looking at it from my european picks i see that it's the first time in common in the history that you have what we call in french guess from the which means you are obligated to do something usually from freedom of speech and the case law that was developed from the supreme court was to say you can. only there is nothing that refrains you from your freedom of speech
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the only thing it shouldn't be a hate incentive but right now for example looking at the federal laws that have been passed in canada the idea is that if you do not use the pronoun it will be considered as a hate crime so you have a total inversion of the proof of the system of proof you know of as a person if you're a teacher and you do not use the pronoun to use it to maybe prove in a court of law that your your reality what you see with your eyes but you're going to have to take a lawyer to plead that to say that you cannot say something that you don't see which actually seems like common sense it's very difficult to but that's what they want to do they want to enforce on someone something that seems unreal it's a little bit like in the time of galileo you know when he used to come to the catholic church and say a personal level but it's moves it's the same my dear he looked at the planet it said but no no look it is turning it's not the it's not the sun that is going
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around the earth it's the other way around it is moving but they said no this is not the reality because us catholic church we have the real logo and it's the same thing today those people those progresses they want to tell us that what we see as real is not really real how come. i don't see why they have the truth they don't want to stay in the empirical demonstration well i mean in also the refinisher piero with emmanuel i mean imperial reality is being denied this is this is what's really quite terrifying i mean if you were advised tell you i'm a solid ball and i'm good i want you to call me a solid ball i read it then you would probably think i was out of my mind but if we were in canada well i suppose that's a gender category right now a solid ball it is just absolutely did to this master insulates see go ahead twenty seconds go ahead there was a case and done mark where there was a case and done my. just recently you were a man wanted to change in the eighty's is it considered he was not sixty three but
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felt yes because he felt he was forty three so he was actually a scheme to change on the red welt of the no he was what i was liking for dates on when he was looking for dates on tender ok are now going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that joe break we're going to feel our discussion of important speech today with already. yes this is how the truth.
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smart we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now watching closely watching the hawks. welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing inforced beach. ok let's go back to lionel in new york this in fort in for speech concept what it does is it denies dissent and it actually denies real political debate because the terms and conditions of the debate to pre-determined so the outcome if you control
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the language you will get the outcome you want because you've already pre-determined the out come using assert very confined and controlled discourse go ahead lionel. one of the. the topic of hate crimes came up and hate speech came up and one of the problems that is always missed is that in our country we would take a law that is cognize of law let's say battery or arson or murder that is punishable and we will then take that as if you couple it with something that is constitutionally allowed permissible for example to hey peter i may hate you it's ok just don't hurt to touch you or call you salad bowl in a million way but i can hate so if you take something that is that is already a law and you aggravate it basically you aggravate the sentence or the charge because i've dared to add to it a constitutionally permissible thought namely hate your penalising thought the
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thought police are very very alive you're very interesting also you take these poor prosecutors of which i was one and it's tough enough to prove the case but peter not only now must i prove that you intended to do something but i've got to prove to a jury why you did it and if you are very clever and you keep your mouth shut or you do not record the motivation behind your hate speech that i have to guess what i'm doing is i'm asking the jury to penalize you not just for what you did but for what you thought would be going on right now and the worst part is americans don't even see it ok well then. intentionality is almost impossible to prove but i guess now that's turning into a legal category all by itself asked general flynn ok but i want to go back i want to go back to this really this attack on dissent is outlawing dissent and put the political discourse is so confined right now that if you don't meet the terms and
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conditions of the debate that they want then you can't participate you're disqualified automatically go ahead ben. i think that's absolutely true and i think it you know it does go back to the idea of group rights and what happens with groups rights who gets group rights well the loudest people get group rights the loudest groups get group rights and how do they enforce those group rights which of course always come into expense of the individual they enforce it through the state they use the state as their bludgeon so what does that do to us as individuals it makes us literally the property of the state we go back to a concept that was certainly wide throughout the soviet union and i remember still talked about in hungary when i lived there the concept of the wooden language we begin adopting a wooden language because we were afraid to speak in a clear way were afraid of who we might offend and so we actually end up destroying the language itself and i think that's absolutely where we're heading and the concept is group rights but people should realize that the totalitarians that are
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pushing this should realize once they establish the concept of group rights those groups can change and we know through history favor groups could become disfavor groups there's already a backlash in europe and in the united states thankfully it's not yet violent but if you look at the popularity of someone like jordan peterson for example you have the professor from canada his huge following of silent i would say silent majority who can sense there is something wrong and are afraid to speak out and so they follow someone like that so i think you're already seeing a backlash yes i go to a manual in paris jordan peterson is a perfect example is that you know what he says is really not quite extraordinary it's so common sense and it is so clear and it you intuitively understand it like yeah that's what i've been thinking all along ok emanuel the one of the things you know i lived in communist poland. daniel said that he went to communist hungary you
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know and the language was would be he's absolutely right but the difference in the west is that it's all glitzy and glamourous ok and. it's virtue with ok is it the big tent or censoring people throttling people disappearing people hollywood. pushes their nonsense agenda a moral illogical there at the very center of this and governments work with them here i mean it's we're not we're actually have we have with a good thing is it might be a circular firing squad all we have to do is duck every once in a while my point is the a ray of forces against free speech are the men's go ahead in paris. yes i think in a way if you think about it in the in the in the last thirty years changes from w. bush to i mean from clinton to devalue bush from w. bush to obama it was the same logos they were all using the wooden tong as you were
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referred but i have great hope in the sense that i might not be a trump lover on everything but mr trump the president when he came to power came to power on the back on of a very different a new logo he calls a cat's a cat and when he doesn't like something he says it loud and clear so i think a lot of the power that came within mr trump is also there are a definition of common sense he doesn't use very special world or anything and in my french view when i look at president he is the opposite of that is somebody who was made totally artificially and we see that with the common people which is why we have this crisis the yellow vest because people are aware now days that there is such a difference between them and this type of all of which is really something that could come from from communist russia in the days of from hungary poland it's
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discussed and we have that in brussels also. a very very chosen elite with their logo their speech there and they decided one day to think of a world that would be transgender and that would be opposed to menaced and if us citizen we have something to say about it well they might consider it but maybe they haven't ordered another day plan and are going to be a good a many well it's becoming it's because they're around comes around very more because they're morally superior to us right now to pay to believe deep down they believe that they're morally superior to us when we go to lionel you know what the yellow grass found out we found out that mccrone is is brain. made of cork ok they found out ok and it is ok it's not even wood it's cork it's even less with quality poor quality. emanuel said she she's optimistic i am not very optimistic here
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because of the radio forces that are against it i mean you know if the social and social media platforms they can disappear you in broad daylight ok they can you can lose your job for using the wrong a pronoun i mean i can't go back and live in the u.s. i don't know i probably get arrested the airport for some reason go ahead lionel. oh i would highly advise against that and i'm not your friend i would it's such a put at the biggest point but let me tell you this much stuff you know when you see a teacher who is in a kindergarten class or who is in a class for shop or something and the teacher has to swear not to promote any anything that would impede israeli trade and you wonder what does this have to do with kindergarten or why why is this important you know use a particular word i'm teaching shop what the reason why i'm not at all optimistic if i am pessimistic is that right now in our culture here it is
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a sign that it's like the neck tattoo i used to laugh i would say there's no way people will ever tattoo their face and more on their face permanently well so much for that so much older than something becomes fashionable and now people as you know we're having snowflakes and people use various terms but it is it is now becoming fashionable and i hope that one day this does mighty pendulum swings the other way but i don't think it's going to be for a while because right now i am applauded by me having more for example you know these allergies where i am against the following and what i tell you i will sit back in a class or read my work and i will wait wait for you to comment say anything and. not only am i going to be applauded for be hypersensitive and not only having you reprimanded but removed expunged obliterated a bladed disappeared but i'm going to be held to a higher societal status because i'm showing my peers i am more sensitive than you
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were easily offended you and therefore i maintain a higher position. you know daniel that this whole identity theory and political strategy it caves in on itself i mean even you know you you put everybody in these little boxes a little tribes and all that and then you look for the least advantages the most virtuous i mean it is marxism to its core it's just it's just it's the same old bottle with new wine ok identity politics in evidently caves in on itself ok and i it's only a matter of time here i mean i sometimes take the benedict option and to stand aside and watch these people destroy themselves because they will inevitably they will go ahead well it does it does go back to the concept of trying to achieve perfect safety you talk about coming back to the u.s. you may not get arrested but when you get here going to have some guy groping you
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whacking your genitals taking away all of your individual rights because you've got to keep you safe and the idea but you know it come down to between being paused pessimistic an optimistic i think it's going to get worse before it gets better yeah but i think it will ultimately get better just look at the issue with a texas teacher all of a sudden people are waking up saying hold on in twenty six states in the u.s. i'm the law i'm not allowed to say i'd rather not buy israeli products because i don't like their internal policies what the hell is that about i'm going to daniel they haven't you they have a lot more people start to think what is interesting is that at least now americans can criticize their own government but they're not allowed to criticize a foreign government what is going on with that. exactly you can even call for the overthrow of your own government you just can't you just can't say don't buy israeli goods because they're terrible the palestinians i think people are going to wake up i think common sense will prevail unfortunate lot of the churches in the us dominate people's thinking when it comes to the middle east and in my opinion
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inaccurately but i think thinking people will start to realize this is insane this whole concept of four speeches in space insane well you know i hope that everyone on this program knows and we'll come back to it because there's always a space for free speech not in for speech on this program many thanks and i guess in paris new york and in lake jackson and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r t see you next time and remember. backscatter survival guide stacey just to start. at all these. issues. this is a repatriation look at the rest seventy years. bill of the separate kaiser report.
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