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a low in welcome across. the u.s. senate strongly. and calls for an end to the american involvement in the war on yemen is this a defining moment for the relationship will so-called values trump hard political realities. saudi arabia i'm joined by my guest hussein. and suddenly he's

a yemeni journalist in riyadh we have made it bram he is a us sodhi relations expert and in brighton we crossed to katherine shocked she is a senior analyst with bio on center all right cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate command let me go to you first in riyadh how are you reacting to the rebuke from the u.s. senate was quite strong unanimous when it came to close shogi and the majority when it came to america's at least how the senate sees america's role your countries led war against yemen so what's the reaction there your reaction and if you just want to repeat the government's reaction that's all right as well go ahead in riyadh. well definitely peter as you know with the saudi arabia. news they actually denounce what the congress have done the congress itself you know too many people does doesn't understand they always have these kinds of symbolic agreement of doing things but that doesn't mean that it's decisive because it has to be run down to

the to the house and then from the house the president have to sign off of it yes it is a problem yes it is symbolic but saudi arabia refuse anybody actually take the measures in order to interfere with their internal issues saudi arabia has played on a bigger role. regarding the were on the emend that saudi arabia the first country actually would like to stop the war in yemen if the whole parties come into the agreement and for the benefit of the legitime and yemeni government where actually the involvement in question he's a saudi citizen top and in. saudi is soil and it's an internal matter that saudi arabia is really working day in and day out in order to basically get the interrogation right all those people who's politicizing the. incident actually saudi arabia rejects the very hard and reject any

actually action has been taking for any country. and the saudi oracle issue is ok i but if he hadn't been murdered by people close to the crown prince that women have been politicized i think you would agree with hussein let me go to you in sana i mean how do i mean you must be gleeful that finally the u.s. senate is speaking out on a war that the united states is involved in illegally under the war powers act and unfortunately it took the murder of a journalist slash insider for the american public to actually start talking about it in to percolate percolated up to. there paula elected politicians i would disagree with argument i mean this. they must be very very angry in riyadh because nothing like this is ever been said about saudi arabia at this level of high politics in the united states so it's a first yes i think it's good that the senate has taken this stand even though it's

only about. this case only after the killing of jamal. as your guest said i do believe that this could reach a final decision either from the congress or from from because from they still have the power to veto any resolution but what the what is good about this senate resolution is that they have actually confirmed that mama diesel man is behind directly behind the killing of jamal. as well when they said that to stop the support for the saudi arabia war on yemen this mean that united states is admitting that they are supporting this war and they are a part of. this war to be honest this is not an incident this is a killing of a journalist who worked with the washington post in and doesn't matter if it was your embassy or not but the main problem with saudi arabia at the beginning they kept denying everything they even said that he has left the embassy they were

trying to cover it with everything and at the end that i believe that he did leave the embassy but in suitcases they have chopped him in bases so and he didn't in yemen actually after the killing of. yemeni here were kind of saying finally that the international media is giving attention to yemen and they i've given more attention to yemen because they have felt especially the washington post that mohamed bin said man can get away from killing so they directed the washington post and other media directed their eyes into yemen because they've seen that saudi arabia has done so many crimes in yemen with a clear. actually it does a lot of money and well you know i'm glad that washington post finally spoke up but they basically back hope line and sinker american foreign policy in the middle east so i'm not giving them a whole lot of credit if you know what i mean catherine let me go to you i mean this vote in the senate. committee is absolutely right i mean the house of

representatives cowardly deferred even debating it maybe the new congress will in january when the democrats take over in the house here but nonetheless it puts this relationship of the saudi american relationship very much in the spotlight and that is something that both countries do not like to have happen they like to have it kept behind the scenes because at the end of the day there's a lot of hypocrisy you know well it's about geopolitics or it's about values or we choose one side or the other i mean depending on what you want to hear ok but this is a very powerful relationship and people finally are beginning to talk about it its pluses and its minuses go ahead catherine well i think it's a good thing because then i think this time actually plays in all favor in the star international might actually get you know big you know be appalled as far as even as far as morality goes and ethics i mean we're talking about war and illegal war

in yemen high but want to frame it and you know the murder of the saudi national you know on foreign soil so however so derek i want to hear from it whether it's an infringement on you know internet policy or not the point is you know the was broken and once. becoming accountable and the international community particularly washington is willing to actually you know ask the hard questions of course it's been pretty flies and it's a great case all moral relativism and that being said again i think you all favor in the long term interest of the saudi arabia has a lot to answer to and that is going to have to play by the rules of the games. you know or decide to be completely isolated so it's a decision that we are going to have to make for itself now as far as the u.s. and the saudi relationship goes i think they really still a change i don't think it's just a symbolic move here i think they've signaled a real change in the way policy would be formulated in washington and i think the

reason being about donald trump is facing a lot of legal issues and so you know mohamed because i could face you know political issues they need to know issues in saudi arabia so the two leaders of the thing are not in a very comfortable position so that again could play in the favor of the region inspired peace goes and particularly yemen since we're referring to yemen so i would say great for yemen and great for other people around the world who would like to see this saudi held accountable and maybe greater washington as well maybe will regain some kind of moral ground by actually advocating the north for once and you know i know it's criticize that still and it's a good thing as far as i'm concerned i'm going to go back to you in riyadh i mean in the official statement that came from the house of saud is that this was the senate vote was a violation of the interference into the internal affairs of saudi arabia but i mean that's it's a kind of rich isn't it when essentially the lebanese prime minister was kidnapped

in your country forced to resign i mean isn't that meddling in the affairs of lebanon let alone the war that you're waging against the internal affairs of yemen . you know when i would like to state a fact i would like to have the outlet i would like the prime minister of lebanon actually say that he was kidnapped in saudi arabia and he was resigned we didn't hear that we don't know how much is over this is true but however the spec your guess the problem is deeper than that and b.s. is a very strong donald trump the senate the senate the senate the senate to have a problem there is a problem with these senators and there is a problem with the house have said something has truck breakdown and the and in the senate it's it's probably close to a mad cow disease happened to some of the senate does by interfering in the saudis we listen there is at this list of there is a breakdown in this and that you know there is a problem you know i mean there is a problem and i'm not wrong but i guess we're talking about i know you're talking

about a possible break down of some kind of democratic democratic process but isn't that a bit rich fruit from you coming from saudi arabia where probably there isn't you couldn't find a dictionary with the word democracy in it so i mean i think it's a bit rich on on your side i'm saying go ahead jenny ban that's a problem as you go into the program because you knew for him to do you know the prime minister had eighty and they still hold kidnapping i mean i recall my president the current president and i my core having to intervene because mr hari happens to be a french national as well this is now this is not a concern that you guys are leaving so this is. still cordoned off and on the ground let's talk about the facts i think about listeners and i understand that that is your tough gig aside this was an issue when you're talking and go all the research out there and come on you know you're talking over each other and you know you know. that you know america is not because you know garbage in that regard i

want you all get to hear me in on your own policy that are you kidding me you can see beyond people critical you want to know where are you want to know ok i'm going to camp on. the right spot catherine please go ahead we have about forty seconds before we go to the break they're all yours go ahead. oh no no problem it's all speculation listen the time that the senate at the end of the day they decide that it's not just just i was born and there's was death on the floor of the senate we're really out of the socket kingdom saudi arabia does not care what the sun the things we know how to manage ourself right the kingdom of saudi arabia is eighteen out of the g. twenty we are doing we're progressing very well we're doing it canonically we're very well we have the sugar problem we're going to solve it there is people detained there are people who's going to actually maybe get executed those people who's going to go to prison so we are managing our internal issue very well i think m.p.'s is taking us as a speed over the formula eve that just happened last week and we're moving on we

don't care what america thinks we don't care what mccrone things we don't care what's britain thinks we are going straight we have allies if they want to ban weapons cadillac week i'm going to get this all out are john going to i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a break if they don't care then why did they write a big rebuke to the u.s. government anyway i'm going to go to a break after a short break we'll continue our discussion on saudi arabia state with our king. cole make this manufactured q. sentenced to public will. when the ruling classes protect themselves. with the fine to. listen to the one percent. we can all middle of the room sick.

leave the. room. i had a great education a good job and a family that loved me. i. to worry about how i would be somewhere i would speak. but i'm facing christmas alone on the streets of london. you know too soon to still give up food for the just. because you don't really feel like a human being you know. and then. i go i just came over to me soon gave me this book.

the greek riots occupy wall street arab spring these are the beginnings of the home of the protest across europe today it was all connected it's all based on the exact same concept of bankers printing too much money creating this wealth and income gap and it's a delayed or deferred riot you know sure that the violence was baked into the cake and now leaders like that call are getting their just desserts. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing saudi arabia.

ok let's go back to spain and so on and i want to kind of into the realm of speculation since uk might want to bring in the us process into this whole debate then let's do that you had the head of the cia was barred from an initial meeting on the evidence or speculation investigate. the cia had regarding the death of the eventually she was allowed to speak to the appropriate committee and she came out with what was publicly known that highly likely that the crown prince himself was involved in this the reason why i'm bringing this up because it seems to me if you look at some of the senators they just don't like m.b.a.'s they love saudi arabia they just don't like this guy because of his road record because of syria because of lebanon because of yemen and and of course the claims of birth form

which i guess have a lot more time to be developed but nonetheless he doesn't fit the profile with the deep state in the u.s. like because m.b.'s is well it's try to be as generous as possible kind of erratic at times go ahead and sana. yeah i mean many senates they don't like saudi arabia but before they couldn't actually find a so clear case of saudi committing a crime. in front of the entire entire world and it was. when they killed the jamal khashoggi the relation between the united states and saudi arabia is based on money and we remember that tom has said many time in his mid election and media lection the us say that we protect saudi arabia saudi arabia cannot last for two weeks i mean they have to pay they have to pay the saudi has not given a single clear stronger response to cry two from the statement and the other hand

we see them they too they took really serious steps against canada the show you that was what trump has actually said it was really that the existence of saudi arabia is cannot continue only with the help of the united states and i'm going to just tell you that here in yemen actually we think that from we can say one of the best president of the united states because all the previous president for example they have started wars in afghanistan in iraq in syria or libya on obama and probably now with a reg in this war against yemen and why we think that he is the best because he's actually exposed the united states is not about the value isn't about spreading democracy is not about the freedom of speech is about who's going to pay from his likely he's now leading the largest military army in the world and clearly that you pay him he can file it silent to anyone on his staff that he that he will continue

his relation with saudi arabia he mentioned about money so. we show you that the war for example on yemen and the blue kate on yemen and everywhere about how much we're sorry i'm going to give to you i i can. i don't want to burst your bubble here but it's very unclear if donald trump is even running his own foreign policy considering the people that he has surrounded himself with let's go to brighton there i want to continue this theme catherine because i think it's really important i think that the powers that be in the united states we could put donald trump aside because we always put donald trump aside for some reason these days they want a good strong relationship with saudi arabia but if there seems to be growing evidence that the leadership of saudi arabia is what they have questions about you know you look at lindsey graham coming out with such you know i think i'm going to paraphrase he has to go into m.b.a.'s here and that gives me reason to believe also

the cia that this is some kind of message not coming from the white house becoming from the cia coming from well connected people in the deep state it's one of the reasons they have come out so strongly publicly about an ally that they very rarely publicly talk about go ahead and bright oh absolutely i mean we have to remember in the first place that this day knew all along the truth to actually. in a tank literally because they wanted to and i think if it's within the pre-determined political narrative as you mentioned i think the east of here is not so much the u.s. i would say relationship again as you mentioned they has more to do with mohamed ben-simon and the rule that he might play in the future and i think he is or has been canceled the fact oh he's not going to have anyone to play with who created the situation to that of saddam hussein in iraq when you walk wage a war in iraq you know in the one nine hundred eighty s. and actually fell to manifest the u.s. agenda and i think that because mohammad best man has failed in young man and has failed in the bin and it has failed in syria and iraq into manifesting any time

a break any type of regime change and you haven't done anything you know in his countries by way of reform in the way that the u.s. wanted change so he has failed on all accounts if anything he actually has made the house of so i would much more. because he has literally you know broke out you know neal i would say the walls within the royal family kind of exploding those ties out where once upon a time quite stable economy is not doing you know enough or being too well however you guess once you know it's trying to paint it's we all know that's not a dairy days coaching because of the war in yemen and many other issues so it's problematic not mohamed bin hammam has become a lie that it's only for the house to go so i think the pressures he case came you know as a christmas gift really to washington d.c. stating that now they have a reason because you have to find a reason you have to create a narrative and that the narrative today's the the lower middle and he has emerged as you know a question which he who happens to be was only

a former intelligence officer but that is what the washington post and so you know for the washington establishment it's very very convenient not to to paint mohammad ben-simon as the man you know about committing all those crimes and you know need to go for the regime to be able to to in jail and for business to resume essentially and so yeah i think you're going to become a scapegoats but i mean why not you have committed a crime so i mean i'm for one would not be too sad to see him go and i think that this i would do would be quite happy to see him go to as well as the yemeni ok. go back to riyadh i notice you were disagreeing with catherine so please reply. torie katherine all the facts are wrong i mean i wish you could say half of this one but told us i do actually killed more than five hundred thousand people on the actually the displaced ten million syrians but that's the way that it could do you know i don't i don't have personally very nice guy but i saw what happened on the show to a vietnam thing was you know you. got it right this

is you know what he said what the m.p.'s has done for the for the country and for the world nobody says what saudi arabia has done for the whole world you guys sitting there you know all these it was it like there he gave us a goal you know what it's like somebody here and the saudi. congress talking about lindsey graham say you know what lindsey graham you did to step down this is not going to happen the more people at that m.p.'s the more support is going to get internally and his talks and his rating is at best believe me whether you've got to like it or die and the problem you know thinking you is at the end of the day you know you have those lefties and in america and let me tell you one thing this is not the first time that's a great bit of that to the united states this is actually the second time the first time one zero when i came over to saudi arabia and kid i don't know i didn't even actually agree tend to agree to him at the airport and he has to flew from the airport to where they away says that king abdullah was there why because he lied he was someone else's idea radiant and for all furness and he went and he basically

jumped in the moon and and took america and to iran so what i'm saying is essential and don't get excited about saudi arabia so out of arabia is not the village or the country that you come to the we can't live without you have i because i was out mccrone we can live without without to resume and we can do that with this state but we're going to respect our allies ok i continue with. that however we're not going to put all our eggs in the last car and on when you've got thank you very much catherine real quick and then i want to go back to saying yeah i just want to ask a question because i actually met a sitting in riyadh so i would like to know how long do you think we just have five by criticizing your precious muhammad and someone because you call because we didn't say what you say at face value because you think you know we haven't you might be a bill that does not when the apartment bottom or the little bit may be forty forty five years from now you're going to live forty another forty five years with m.b.a.'s trust me you're going to live with them for a long time idea when he's becoming a king and government ok let's go back to ok well i want to go home i want to go

back to sana ok you know it's get away from n.b.s. that's a separate problem to deal with here how do you see this we have. peace talks i can ask you right now is the ceasefire at the. city is that in effect right now because i've been reading reports that it is is it is with the senate vote with this momentum and the public awareness because there's a whole lot more public awareness now about yemen i've been doing it from the very beginning i'm so happy that people are talking about it because this complicated it's doable to end it and it ended relatively quickly ok and that process has started so what's your position how do you see things moving forward now you're in the country. i think yes the ceasefire in the city is keepin really well i mean despite the constant i mean the saudi fighter jets on their own the still over the sky of there are some some time and machine gun shot here and there but

this is the first time in yemen since the beginning of the war in twenty six of march two thousand and fifteen the ceasefire actually was not breached and i think the reason of that is because of the pressure own saudi arabia from the international community and as well from media and from the congress and all that has come after the killing of democracy be we had told in geneva we are told in kuwait but none of this told has come up with a good truce plan or a ceasefire and i mean as saudi arabia i mean intervention and yemen and i just want to reply to address that riad when he said was saudi arabia has done they have done all good no they haven't the only thing they did maybe that people thought is good is when they are allowed women to drive just imagine a country that doesn't allow women to drive and they are allowed them to drive and after. some weeks they have they have jailed the female activist

who are like a hobby with this so-called step and we've seen that the media actually. the international media fault because they had been making real hundred nine you're going to hang about this is an argument actually. we're talking about the cease fire yeah i finish because i have had my heart he actually has a kid all right let's go ahead ok. i think it worked this time we didn't get catherine the last twenty seconds catherine go listen catherine twenty seconds out well i'm going to say that i think that you know in riyadh's it really did most rated very. difficult because whenever you're a talk they have to deflect and you know pronominal have a ground ball when they know it's going to be all about a kind of a case how dare a guy standing casey failing militarily failing doesn't have it all right i'm going to be here at home by the way already there are some other people who are for the day who run out of time many thanks to my guessing santa riyadh and in brighton and

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