well i think it certainly makes sense for for moscow to sink. in its contacts with the united states i just feel. dominant view in this city is that it is nearly impossible until the united states kind of settle this domestic divide environment and in these seas you know i hate to see these. as work toxic but that's exactly what it is and i think it's in a way. you know you're damned if you do it you're damned if you don't.

oh and welcome to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle not long ago the political left are the guardians of free speech along with the big tech the left today has gone from protecting speech to enforcing speech even to the point of penalizing you if you say the wrong thing in public you could lose your job and libeling welcome to the era of simply shut up and not. talking in forced speech i'm joined by my guest emanuel galban paris he is a french lawyer in new york we have lionel he's a legal analyst and the news decoder at lionel media dot com and in lake jackson we cross to dan you make adams he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity all right let me go to danielle first hero we're pretty much the same age here i was i remember growing up and it was a time of of being sent. people let's put it that way there are certain words in

our vocabulary i'm sure would probably exist in french as well is that things you don't say and i think you know what i'm talking about and you know what i thought that was all right i think that's cool all right all right but in the last two days we had a virginia teacher fired for using the wrong or the yeah preferred not using the preferred pronoun of a student and then we had a texas elementary school teacher who refused to sign a pro israel oath is fired now this is in forcing speech it is not protecting speech how did we get here go ahead daniel well i think we got here partially with the idea that somehow the state could keep all of us safe and i hate to drive you think back to foreign policy but i think a lot of it had to do with the concept of preemptive warfare the idea that through the application of force we could create a perfect society and i think that concept that idea has permeated our fortune that

permeates the left to weaponize our own thoughts to weaponize our own thought processes if you control what someone must say then you control how they think you control their mind so i think it comes from the idea that the use of force is ok if it makes you safe and of course ultimately as we know from foreign policy and from for speech it doesn't make you safe well emmanuelle i mean what is happening right now is not it's simply a rejection of the very foundation of western civilization now i know there's a lot of millennia old in all of hollywood and all of the universities hate the idea of western civilization but they have everything they have now because of western civilization a topic from another program but their want to deny freedom of speech and they are intentionally actively undermining freedom of speech emmanuelle in paris please. yes well actually if you think about it somehow this may be nothing new under the sun because if you think about the logos since the greek philosopher since i was

still us a crowd is plato this is the way it has always been said that he controls the logos we control the political life of the country right and we have seen the best that never in the one nine hundred eighty four george all well when they create the newspeak so now we have this whole population in hollywood that you were referring to people that are in a way oftens of the late tyranny of the late that was u.s.s.r. so they thought well what what could we invest and they thought well we'll invest in a new type of world we will create a new speak and we'll make this new war about one side is the planet and the old aside is this gender war and trying to put against all the values that we have the notion of country the notion of family the even the word of nation and it has been done for century if you think about it and dictators in europe have been very good

at creating new languages from hitler to the u.s.s.r. in the old days so controlling the logos in no way is something that in turn you grow they tell and philosopher used to say control the world of the education the worse and one generation later you will have the power in politics and this is what is happening which is why we need us us conservative to react and say no no no no we are know what you're doing guys we've seen it before yeah what we're what they'll decide to do is we'll get you fired ok or you have to go somewhere else lionel because the word smith on our panel here i mean daniel hit the nail on the head here this is a form of mind control and as i said in my introduction if you don't agree then you have to shut up and nod ok or they'll be penalties and they're serious ones go ahead lionel. well we have you know up in the world of nature normally these

things go extinct or become extinct here we have new species that pop up and these new species these new kinds are an amalgam of social justice warriors virtues signallers and others who get together and they create what i call not the thought police but the thought vigilantes and what they always these are citizen mobs o'clock crissy is less talk about these these this herd mentality like memories of of sparrows and starlings that they move and today they're more allergies you have the more sensitive it is you show the more that you can show i'm upset by this word here my allergies i have ever met these people but they're not is this these are people who show allergies to this word i have a new word my pronoun is that's the way you say it's a clicking sound and if you don't say that i will not only disagree with you i'll

have you fired and removed from humanity now i move up the pecking order because i have another allergy another overreaction and i am more upset and angry over this and we turned this into a fad it's how many our g.'s do you have we should have like a fruit salad like they have in the military to show how many words and how many things upset annoy you that's really how we are still it's it's the thought vigilantes you know daniel it's it's you know not only the rejection of freedom of speech but actually the rule of law this is what i find terrifying look at look at what happened to her during the kavanaugh hearings ok this was this heard and read it was one of the most profound moments i think or indicate. nation of how far it's gone an accusation is a conviction if you don't call me something that i want then you're transphobia

a bigot or a racist i mean this is this amazing slippery slope and it has real consequences because then you do rule lose the rule of law and the right to self protection i mean i'm offended every time i turn on cable news ok but that's a that's ok to be offended when you're offended you learn ok that's how i know how to push back ok listening to all their jargon you know you actually do not want you to think they want you to repeat go ahead daniel and i think the core of this is really the the rise of the concept of collective rights versus rights and cherish in western civilization individual rights individual liberties and with that goes individual responsibilities which you alluded to of course at first words that you would not say because you're a polite person but the whole concept of collective rights is about the destruction

of the individual it's about using force to force someone else and if you if you are using that force if the individual no longer has any value as an individual then truth itself doesn't matter and i'm glad you brought up the kavanaugh hearings because even when false hoods were exposed. to this group rights mentalities it doesn't matter if they were lying the concept of what they were pushing was right and i think it's fortunate that we have a french guest here because i think a lot of this ideas goes back to the french revolution the whole concept of truth the whole concept of reality of existence was turned on its head and that's what we're seeing now with the rise of collective rights collective rights really is another word for authoritarianism and tyranny. emmanuelle the how do you see that i mean we were basically three americans and we have a french person so maybe you could give. go ahead. no

i think it's very true to look at it i mean looking at it from my european perspective i see that it's the first time in common law history that you have what we call in french you know biggest which means you are obligated to do something usually from freedom of speech the case law that was developed from the supreme court was to say you can only there is nothing that refrains you from your freedom of speech the only thing it shouldn't be a hate incentive but right now for example looking at the federal laws that have been passed in canada the idea is that if you do not use the pronoun it will be considered as a hate crime so you have a total inversion of the proof of the system of proof you know of as a person if you're a teacher and you do not use the pronoun to use it to maybe prove in a court of law that your your reality what you see with your eyes but you're going to have to take a lawyer to plead that to say that you cannot say something that you don't see which actually seems like common sense it's very difficult to but that's what they

want to do they want to enforce on someone something that seems unreal it's a little bit like in the time of galileo you know when he used to come to the catholic church and say a personal level it's but it's moves it's the same my dear he looked at the planet it said but no no look it is turning it's not the it's not the sun that is going around the earth it's the other way around it is moving but they said no this is not the reality because us catholic church we have the real logo and it's the same thing today those people those progresses they want to tell us that what we see as real is not really real how come. i don't see why they have the truth they don't want to stay in the number demonstration well i mean you know also let me finish up the row with emmanuel i mean imperial reality is being denied this is this is what true. quite terrifying i mean if you were advice tell you i'm a solid bow and i'm good i want you to call me

a solid bow i mean then you would probably think i was out of my mind but if we were in canada well i suppose that's agenda category right now a solid bowl ok it is just absolutely needed to see monster insulates see go ahead twenty seconds go ahead there was a case in and done mark yesterday where there was a case in denmark just recently where a man wanted to change into eight because he considered he was not sixty three but felt yes because he felt he was forty three so he was actually asking to change on the red carpet no he would see what i was looking for dates on what he was eating for dates on tinder ok all right i'm going to jump in here we're going to do a short break and afterward joe break we're going to fuel our discussion i'm in for a speech today with.

more people feed the economy because they buy scratch tickets scratch off lottery tickets you know when i was living in the ghetto in new york you know the red apple grocery store uptown had the highest price in town and the liquor stores are open and you buy you know more expensive in the ghetto and that's how you build an economy it's almost built on the backs of the poor america was built on the slave market america was built on prison labor to give them a look at the good times of america the ne'er do wells it's all very well that's over we got to go back to basics. well i think it certainly makes sense for for moscow to think strong in its context with the united states i just fear that the dominant view in this city is that it is nearly impossible until the united states kind of settle this domestic. the environment in these seas you know i hate to see this. as work toxic but that's

exactly what it is and i think it's in a way you know you're damned if you do and you don't think that. i had a great education a good job and a family that loved me. i never had to worry about how i would eat and when i would speak. i'm facing christmas alone out on the streets of london. well you. know you know the snow will still give out food for the state. because you don't really feel like a human being you know. and then. the guy just came over to me saw me in gave me this book.

welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter you were discussing inforced speech. ok let's go back to lionel in new york this in forts in for speech concept what it does is it denies dissent and it actually denies real political debate because the terms and conditions of the debate to a pre-determined so the outcome if you control the language you will get the outcome you want because you've already pre-determined the out come using assert very confined and controlled discourse go ahead lionel. one of the. the

topic of hate crimes came up and hate speech came up and one of the problems that is always missed is that in our country we would take a law that is cognize of law let's say battery or arson or murder that is punishable and we will then take that and if you couple that with something that is constitutionally allowed permissible for example to hey peter i may hate you it's ok just don't hurt to touch you or call you salad bowl in a million way but i can hate so if you take something that is that is already a law and you aggravate it basically you aggravate the sentence or the charge because i've dared to add to it a constitutionally permissible thought namely hate your penalising thought the thought police are very very alive you're very interesting also you take these poor prosecutors of which i was one and it's tough enough to prove the case but peter not only now must i prove that you intended to do something but i've got to prove

to a jury why you did it and if you are very clever and you keep your mouth shut or you do not record the motivation behind your hate speech that i have to guess what i'm doing is i'm asking the jury to penalize you not just for what you did but for what you thought would be going on right now and the worst part is americans don't even see it ok well then. intentionality is almost impossible to prove but i guess now that's turning into a legal category all by itself asked general flynn ok but i want to go back i want to go back to this really this attack on dissent is outlawing dissent and put the political discourse is so confined right now that if you don't meet the terms and conditions of the debate that they want then you can't participate you're disqualified automatically go ahead. i think that's absolutely true and i think it

you know it does go back to the idea of group rights and what happens with groups rights who gets group rights well the loudest people get group rights the loudest groups get group rights and how do they enforce those group rights which of course always come into expense of the individual they enforce it through the state they use the state as their bludgeon so what does that do to us as individuals it makes us literally the property of the state we go back to a concept that was certainly wide throughout the soviet union and i remember still talked about in hungary when i lived there the concept of the wooden language we begin adopting a wooden language because we were afraid to speak in a clear way were afraid of who we might offend and so we actually end up destroying the language itself and i think that's absolutely where we're heading and the concept is group rights but people should realize that the totalitarians that are pushing this should realize once they establish the concept of group rights those groups can change and we know through history favor groups could become disfavor

groups there's already a backlash in europe and in the united states thankfully it's not yet violent but if you look at the popularity of someone like jordan peterson for example you have the professor from canada his huge following of silent i would say silent majority who can sense there is something wrong and are afraid to speak out and so they follow someone like that so i think you're already seeing a backlash yes i go to a manual in paris jordan peterson is a perfect example is that you know what he says is really not quite extraordinary it's so common sense and it is so clear and it you intuitively understand it like yeah that's what i've been thinking all along ok emanuel the one of the things that i lived in communist poland. daniel said that he went to communist hungary you know and the language was would be he's absolutely right but the difference in the west is that it's all glitzy and glamorous ok. it's virtue with ok is it the big check

or censoring people throttling people disappearing people hollywood. pushes their nonsense agenda in a moral illogical. there or at the very center of this and government's work with them here i mean it's we're out we're actually have we have with a good thing is it may be a circular firing squad all we have to do is dark every once in a while my point is the radio forces against free speech are immense go ahead in paris. yes i think in a way if you think about it in the in the in the last thirty years changes from w. bush to i mean from clinton to devalue bush from w. bush to obama it was the same logos they were all using the wooden tong as you were referring but i have great hope in the sense that i might not be a trump lover on everything but mr trump president trump when he came to power came to power on the back on of a very different a new logo he calls a cat's

a cat and when he doesn't like something he says it loud and clear so i think a lot of the power that came with then mr trump is also there are a definition of common sense he doesn't use very special world or anything and in my french view when i look at president he is the opposite of that is somebody who has made totally artificially and we see that with the common people which is why we have this crisis the yellow vest because people are aware now days that there is such a difference between them and this type of all of which is really something that could come from from communist russia in the days of from hungary poland that it's discussed and we have that in brussels also. a very very chosen elite with their logo their. speech there and they decided one day to think of

a world that would be transgender and that would be opposed to menaced and if us citizen we have something to say about it well they might consider it but maybe they have a knowledge another day plan and a menu well it's becoming it's because they are around comes around they're more because they're morally superior to us right that's what they believe deep down they believe that they're morally superior to us let me go to lionel you know what the yellow vests found out they found out that mccrone is brain is made of cork ok they found out ok it is ok it's not even wood it's cork it's even less quality poor quality. emanuel said she's optimistic i am not very optimistic here because of the ray of forces that are against it i mean you know these social and social media platforms they can disappear you in broad daylight ok they can you can lose your job for using the wrong a pronoun i mean i can't go back and live in the u.s.

i don't know i probably get arrested at the airport for some reason go ahead lionel . oh i would highly advise against that your friend i want to stay put and to be disciplined but i need to tell you this much stuff you know when you see a teacher who is in a kindergarten class or who is in a class for shop or something and the teacher has to swear not to promote any anything that would impede israeli trade and you wonder what does this have to do with kindergarden or why why is this important you use a particular word i'm teaching shop what the reason why i am not at all optimistic if i am pessimistic is that right now in our culture here it is a sign of it's like the neck tattoo i used to laugh i would say there's no way people will ever tattoo their face and more of their face permanently well so much for that so much older than something becomes fashionable and now people as you

know we're having snowflakes and people use various terms but it is it is now becoming fashionable and i hope that one day this this mighty pendulum swings of the way but i don't think it's going to be for a while because right now i am applauded by me having more for example you know these allergies where i am against the following and what i tell you i will sit back in a class or read my work and i will wait wait for you to comment say anything and not only am i going to be applauded for be hypersensitive and not only having you reprimanded but removed expunged obliterated ablated you know disappeared but i'm going to be held to a higher societal status because i'm showing my peers i am more sensitive than you or easily offended you and therefore i maintain a higher position. you know dan you know that this whole identity theory and

political strategy it caves in on itself i mean maybe you know you you put everybody in these little boxes of little tribes and. and then you look for the least advantages the most virtuous i mean it is marxism to its core it's just it's just it's the same old bottle with new wine ok identity politics evidently caves in on itself ok and i it's only a matter of time here i mean i sometimes take the benedict option and to stand aside and watch these people destroy themselves because they will inevitably they will go ahead well it does it does go back to the concept of trying to achieve perfect safety you talk about coming back to the us you may not get arrested but when you get here going to have some guy groping you whacking your genitals taking away all of your individual rights because you've got to keep you safe and the idea but you know it comes down to between being paused pessimistic an optimistic i think it's going to get worse before it gets better yeah but i think it will

ultimately get better just look at the issue with the texas teacher all of a sudden people are waking up saying hold on in twenty six states in the u.s. on the law i'm not allowed to say i'd rather not buy israeli products because i don't like their internal policies what the hell is that about i'm going to daniel they haven't you they have a lot more people start to think what is interesting is that at least now americans can criticize their own government but they're not allowed to criticize a foreign government what is going on with that. exactly you can even call for the overthrow of your own government you just can't you just can't say don't buy israeli goods because they're terrible the palestinians i think people are going to wake up i think common sense will prevail unfortunate lot of the churches in the u.s. dominate people's thinking when it comes to the middle east and in my opinion inaccurately but i think thinking people will start to realize this is insane this whole concept of four speeches in space in saying well you know i hope that everyone on this program knows and we'll come back to it because there's always

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