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welcome to crossfire considered i'm peter lavelle not long ago the political left are the guardians of free speech along with the big the left today has gone from protesting speech to enforcing speech even to the point of penalizing you if you say the wrong thing in public you could lose your job and. welcome to the era of simply shut up and not. talking in forced speech i'm joined by my guest. he is a french lawyer in new york we have lionel he's a legal analyst and. decoder at lionel media dot com and in lake jackson we cross

to dan you make adams he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity all right let me go to danielle first hero we're pretty much the same age here i was i remember growing up and it was a time of of being sensitive to people let's put it that way there are certain words in our vocabulary i'm sure we probably exist in french as well is that things you don't say and i think you know what i'm talking about and you know what i thought that was all right i think that's cool all right all right but in the last two days we had a virginia teacher fired for using the wrong or the yeah preferred not using the preferred pronoun of a student and then we had a texas elementary school teacher who refused to sign a pro israel oath is fired now this is in forcing speech it is not protecting speech how did we get here go ahead daniel well i think we got here

partially with the idea that somehow the state could keep all of us safe and i hate to drive you think back to foreign policy but i think a lot of it had to do with the concept of preemptive warfare the idea that through the application of force we could create a perfect society and i think that concept that idea has permeated a force you know permeates the left to weaponize our own thoughts to weaponize our own thought processes if you control what someone must say they don't control how they think you control their mind so i think it comes from the idea that the use of force is ok if it makes you safe and of course ultimately as we know from foreign policy and from for speech it doesn't make you safe well emmanuelle i mean what is happening right now is not it's simply a rejection of the very foundation of western civilization now i know there's a lot of millennia old in all of hollywood and all of the universities hate the idea of western civilization but they have everything they have now because of

western civilization a topic from another program but their want to deny freedom of speech and they are intentionally actively undermining freedom of speech emmanuelle in paris please. yes well actually if you think about it somehow this may be nothing new under the sun because if you think about the logos since the greek philosopher since i was still us a crowd is plato this is the way it has always been said that he controls the logos we control the political life of the country right and we have seen that it's best that never in the one thousand nine hundred four georgia all well when they create the new speak so now we have this whole population in hollywood that you were referring to of people that are in no way oftens of the late tyranny of the late that was u.s.s.r. so they thought well what what could we invest and they thought well we'll invest in a new type of world we will create a new speak and we'll make this new war about one side is the planet and the old

aside is this gender war and trying to put against all the values that we have the notion of country the notion of family the even the word of nation and it has been done for centuries if you think about it and dictators in europe have been very good at creating new languages from hitler to the u.s.s.r. in the old days so controlling the logos in no way is something that into new ground they tell and philosopher used to say control the world of the education the worse and one generation later you will have the power in politics and this is what is happening which is why we need us us conservative to react and say no no no no we are know what you're doing guys we've seen it before yeah what we're what they'll decide to do is we'll get you fired ok or you have to go somewhere else lionel because the word smith on our panel here i mean daniel hit the nail on the

head here this is a form of mind control and as i said in my introduction if you don't agree then you have to shut up a notch ok or they'll be penalties and they're serious ones go ahead lionel. well we have you know up in the world of nature normally these things go extinct or become extinct here we have new species that pop up and these new species these new kinds are an amalgam of social justice warriors virtues signallers and others who get together and they create what i call not the thought police but the thought vigilantes and what they always these are citizen mobs all clock receives less talk about these these this herd mentality like of of sparrows and starlings that they move and today they're more allergies you have the more sensitivity as you show the more that you can show i'm upset by this word here my

allergies i don't have ever met these people but they're not this these are people who show allergies to this word i have a new word my pronoun is that's the way you say it's a clicking sound and if you don't say that i will not only disagree with you i'll have you fired and removed from humanity now i move up the pecking order because i have another allergy another overreaction and i am more upset and angry over this and we turned this into a fad it's how many allergies do you have we should have like a fruit salad like they have in the military to show how many words and how many things upset annoy you that's really how we are still it's it's the thought vigilantes you know daniel it's it's you know not only the rejection of freedom of speech but actually the rule of law this is what i find terrifying look at look

what happened to her during the kavanaugh hearings ok this was this heard and read and it was one of the most profound moments i think or an indication. of how far it's gone an accusation is a conviction if you don't call me something that i want then you're transphobia a bigot or a racist i mean this is this amazing slippery slope and it has real consequences because then you do rule lose the rule of law and the right to self protection i mean i'm offended every time i turn on cable news ok but that's a that's ok to be offended when you're offended you learn ok that's how i know how to push back ok listening to all their jargon you know if you actually do not want you to think they want you to repeat go ahead daniel and i think the core of this is really the the rise of the concept of collective rights versus rights and

cherish in western civilization individual rights individual liberties and with that goes individual responsibilities which you alluded to of course at first words that you would not say because you're a polite person but the whole concept of collective rights is about the destruction of the individual it's about using force to force someone else and if you if you are using that force if the individual no longer has any value as an individual then truth itself doesn't matter and i'm glad you brought up the kavanaugh hearings because even when false hoods were exposed. to this group rights mentalities that it doesn't matter if they were lying the concept of what they were pushing was right and i think it's fortunate that we have the french guest here because i think a lot of this ideas goes back to the french revolution the whole concept of truth the whole concept of reality of existence was turned on its head and that's what we're seeing now with the rise of collective rights collective rights really is

another word for authoritarianism in tyranny. emmanuelle the how do you see that i mean we were basically three americans and we have a french person so maybe you could give us. go ahead. no i think it's very true to look at it i mean looking at it from my european perspective i see that it's the first time in common law history that you have what we call in french you know biggest which means you are obligated to do something usually from freedom of speech and the case law that was developed from the supreme court was to say you can only there is nothing that refrains you from your freedom of speech the only thing it shouldn't be a hate incentive but right now for example looking at the federal laws that have been passed in canada the idea is that if you do not use the pronoun it will be considered as a hate crime so you have a total inversion of the proof of the system of proof you know of as

a person if you're a teacher and you do not use the pronoun to use it to maybe prove in a court of law that your your reality what you see with your eyes but you're going to have to take a lawyer to plead that to say that you cannot say something that you don't see which actually seems like common sense it's very difficult to but that's what they want to do they want to enforce on someone something that seems unreal it's a little bit like in the time of galileo you know when he used to come to the catholic church and say a personal level it's but it's moves it's the same my dear he looks at the planet it said but no no look it is turning it's not the it's not the sun that is going around the earth it's the other way around it is moving but they said no this is not the reality because us catholic church we have the real logo and it's the same thing today those people those progresses they want to tell us that what we see as real is not really real how come. i don't see why they have the truth they don't

want to stay in the empirical demonstration well i mean you know also let me finish up around with emmanuel i mean imperial reality is being denied this is this is what's really quite. terrifying i mean if you were advised tell you i'm a solid ball and i'm good i want you to call me a solid ball i mean then you would probably think i was out of my mind but if we were in canada well i suppose that's agenda category right now a salad bowl ok it is just absolutely did to this monster insulates see go ahead twenty seconds go ahead there was a case and done mark yes there was a case in denmark just recently where a man wanted to change age because he considered it was not sixty three but felt yes because he felt he was forty three so he was actually asking to change on the red carpet know he would see what i was looking for dates on what he was eating for dates on tinder ok fine i'm going to jump in here we're going to do a short break and afterward joe break we're going to be your discussion i'm in for

a speech stay with. well i think it certainly makes sense for for moscow to sink. in its contacts with the united states i just fear that the dominant view in this city is that it is a nearly impossible until the united states kind of settle this domestic divide the environment and in d.c. he's you know i hate to see this. as work toxic but that's exactly what it is and i think it's in a way you know you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

or people feed the economy because they buy scratch tickets scratch off lottery tickets you know when i was living in the ghetto in new york you know the red apple grocery store uptown had the highest price in town. and liquor stores are open and you buy you know a more expensive in the ghetto and that's how you build an economy it's always built on the backs of the poor america was built on the slave market america was built on prison labor to give them a drug that they the good times of america the ne'er do wells it's all very swishy and swell that's over we got to go back to basics. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter about to remind you we're discussing inforced speech. ok let's go back to lionel in new york this in fort inforce speech concept what it

does is it denies dissent and it actually did nine s. real political debate because the terms and conditions of the debate to pre-determined so the outcome if you control the language you will get the outcome you want because you've already pre-determined the out come using a certain very confined and controlled discourse go ahead lionel. one of the. the the topic of hate crimes came up and hate speech came up and one of the problems that is always missed is that in our country we will take a law that is cognize a bill of law let's say battery or arson or murder that is punishable and we will then take that and if you couple that with something that is constitutionally allowed permissible for example to hey peter i may hate you it's ok just don't hurt to touch you or call you salad bowl in a million way but i can hate so if you take something that is that is already

a law and you aggravate it basically you aggravate this sentence or the charge because i've dared to add to it a constitutionally permissible thought namely hate your penalizing thought. the thought police have very very a life here very interesting also you take these poor prosecutors of which i was one and it's tough enough to prove the case but peter not only now must i prove that you intended to do something but i've got to prove to a jury why you did it and if you are very clever and you keep your mouth shut or you do not record the motivation behind your hate speech that i have to guess what i'm doing is i'm asking the jury to penalize you not just for what you did but for what you thought would be going on right now and the worst part is americans don't even see it ok well daniel intentionality is almost impossible to prove but i guess now that's turning into a legal category all by itself asked general flynn ok but i want to go back i want

to go back to this really this attack on dissent is outlawing dissent and put the political discourse is so confined right now that if you don't meet the terms and conditions of the debate that they want then you can't participate you're disqualified automatically go ahead ben. i think that's absolutely true and i think it you know it does go back to the idea of group rights and what happens with groups rights who gets group rights well the loudest people get group rights the loudest groups get group rights and how do they enforce those group rights which of course always come into expense of the individual they enforce it through the state they use the state as their bludgeon so what does that do to us as individuals it makes us literally the property of the state we go back to a concept that was certainly wide throughout the soviet union and i remember still talked about in hungary when i lived there the concept of the wooden language we begin adopting a wooden language because we were afraid to speak in

a clear way were afraid of who we might offend and so we actually end up destroying the language itself and i think that's absolutely where we're heading and the concept is group rights but people should realize that the totalitarians that are pushing this should realize once they establish the concept of group rights those groups can change and we know through history favor groups can become disfavor groups there's already a backlash in europe and in the united states thankfully it's not yet violent but if you look at the popularity of someone like jordan peterson for example you have the professor from canada his huge following of silent i would say silent majority who can sense there is something wrong and are afraid to speak out and so they follow someone like that so i think you're already seeing a backlash yes i go to a manual in paris jordan peterson is a perfect example is that you know what he says is really not quite extraordinary it's so common sense and it is so clear and it you intuitively understand it like

yeah that's what i've been thinking all along ok emanuel the one of the things you know i lived in communist poland. daniel said that he went to communist hungary you know and the language was would be he's absolutely right but the difference in the west is that it's all glitzy and glamorous ok and. it's virtue with ok is it the big tech or censoring people throttling people disappearing people hollywood. pushes their nonsense agenda and amoral illogical. they're at the very center of this and governments work with them here i mean it's we're out we're actually have we have with a good thing is it may be a circular firing squad all we have to do is dark every once in a while my point is the radio forces against free speech are immense go ahead in paris. yes i think in

a way if you think about it in the in the in the last thirty years changes from w. bush to i mean from clinton to devalue bush from w. bush to obama it was the same logos they were all using the wooden tong as you were referring but i have great hope in the sense that i might not be a trump lover on everything but mr trump president trump when he came to power came to power on the back on of a very different a new logo he calls a cat's a cat and when he doesn't like something he says it loud and clear so i think a lot of the power that came with then mr trump is also there are a definition of common sense he doesn't use very special world or anything and in my french view when i look at president he is the opposite of that is somebody who was made totally artificially and we see that with the common people which is why we have this crisis the yellow vest because people are aware now days that there is

such a difference between them and this type of all of which is really something that could come from from communist russia in the days of from hungary poland that it's discussed and we have that in brussels also. a very very chosen elite with their logo their. speech there and they decided one day to think of a world that would be transgender and that would be opposed to menaced and if us citizen we have something to say about it well they might consider it but maybe they have a knowledge of another day plan and a menu well it's becoming it's because they are around comes around they're more because they're morally superior to us right that's what they believe deep down they believe that they're morally superior to us let me go to lionel you know what the yellow vests found out they found out that mccrone is brain is made of cork ok

they found out ok it is ok it's not even wood it's cork it's even less quality poor quality. emanuel said she's optimistic i am not very optimistic here because of the forces that are against it i mean you know these social and social media platforms they can disappear you in broad daylight ok they can you can lose your job for using the wrong a pronoun i mean i can't go back and live in the u.s. i don't know i probably get arrested at the airport for some reason go ahead lionel . oh i would highly advise against that kind of friend i would say i stay put and to be disciplined but i need to tell you this much stuff you know when you see a teacher who is in a kindergarten class or who is in a class for shop or something and the teacher has to swear not to promote any anything that would impede israeli trade and you wonder what does this have to do with kindergarten or why why is this important you use

a particular word i'm teaching shop what the reason why i am not at all optimistic if i am pessimistic is that right now in our culture here it is a sign of it's like the neck tattoo i used to laugh i would say there's no way people will ever tattoo their face and more of their face permanently well so much for that so much older than something becomes fashionable and now people as you know we're having snowflakes and people use various terms but it is it is now becoming fashionable and i hope that one day this does mighty pendulum swings the other way but i don't think it's going to be for a while because right now i am applauded by me having more for example you know these allergies where i am against the following and what i tell you i will sit back in a class or read my work and i will wait wait for you to comment say anything and not only am i going to be applauded for be hypersensitive and not only having you

reprimanded but removed expunged obliterated ablated you know disappeared but i'm going to be held to a higher societal status because i'm showing my peers i am more sensitive than you or easily offended you and therefore i maintain a higher position. you know dan you know that this whole identity theory and political strategy it caves in on itself i mean maybe you know you you put everybody in these little boxes a little tribes and. and then you look for the least advantages the most virtuous i mean it is marxism to its core it's just it's just it's the same old bottle with new wine ok i get it kerry in politics evidently caves in on itself ok and i it's only a matter of time here i mean i sometimes take the benedict option and to stand aside and watch these people destroy themselves because they will inevitably they

will go ahead well it does it does go back to the concept of trying to achieve perfect safety you talk about coming back to the us you may not get arrested but when you get here going to have some guy groping you whacking your genitals taking away all of your individual rights because you've got to keep you safe and the idea but you know it come down to between being paused pessimistic an optimistic i think it's going to get worse before it gets better yeah but i think it will ultimately get better just look at the issue with the texas teacher all of a sudden people are waking up saying hold on in twenty six states in the us i'm the law i'm not allowed to say i'd rather not buy israeli products because i don't like their internal policies what the hell is that about i'm going to daniel and they think you they have a lot more people start to think what is interesting is that at least now americans can criticize their own government but they're not allowed to criticize a foreign government what is going on with that. exactly you can even call for the overthrow of your own government you just can't you just can't say don't buy

israeli goods because they're terrible the palestinians i think people are going to wake up i think common sense will prevail unfortunate lot of the churches in the us dominate people's thinking when it comes to the middle east and in my opinion inaccurately but i think thinking people will start to realize this is insane this whole concept of four speeches in space insane well you know i hope that everyone on this program knows and we'll come back to it because there's always a space for free speech not in for speech on this program many thanks and i guess in paris new york and in lake jackson and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t. see you next time and remember. i've

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welcome to worlds apart chumps announcement of the impending pullout of syria has been mad in moscow with a tinge of excitement and a bucket of disbelief later gave way to the anxious guessing game on how it may shift the regional balance is that yet another reminder of having to be careful what it wishes for well to discuss that i'm now joined by maxime switch golf associate professor at the most state institute of international relations and the editor of monitors to russian media coverage maxence good to finally see here in our studio thanks for coming over thanks for having me it's a pleasure. now back in september you wrote that the americans are unlikely to

withdraw from syria until the end of trump's term. despite all the recent developments do you think you can still be proven right well it's you know i think i think i was coming from from from the belief that. the u.s. military presence was a factor that enabled the united states to convert its military presence into political leverage over some of the you know syria actors russia and iran in particular and to a certain degree i think i was accurate in the back then it was a reflection of and i think it still is the reflection of this perspective and washington you know the announcement of to pull all forces came came as a surprise to many a in in washington in its. intentions can still be realized in a way it's been communicated dot is that democrats would actually leave. part of syria

that they they will not be let's say substituted by let's say the british forces or that they won't increase special forces capacity on the ground to compensate for the military well i think in a way we still are uncertain about the very most delegates of the military pullout but i believe the two thousand two hundred troops that the pentagon claims that there are there will be pull out sometime within the next one hundred days at the same time you know there are forces that are not on the official record but the special forces operatives military trainers i believe that these. personnel will stay and you know we're not sure yet because we're getting some conflicting reports on whether the united states will be applying air force so that's a big factor in the third one i think third uncertainty is the degree of the support for the kurdish groups on the ground that the us.