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moral can do so if you go and sophie shevardnadze and fortier's own the ground breaking news ago pink floyd still sounds fresh in the lyrics of roger waters as relevant as ever how hard is the balancing act between music and politics well i'm here in st peter's birth to ask the legend himself water waters musician author activist co-founder of pink floyd and my guest today is really great to have you with us today welcome to our show thank you everyone's really happy that you're here looking for your tour and i'm looking for a little chat so i'm going to start from the eternal question because you've been pushing the boundaries of music forever. at the same time the lyrics that you write are always very powerful so the big question is what is more powerful the words or the music. well the

way the way they were it they have a equal importance i mean the trick with with. songs i'm never quite sure where it comes from but it has to do with through the way the feelings that are in the lyric of the songs and the ideas that are in the lyrics or some somehow get kicked into a more accessible place by having to relate to the mater of of the music other now it's a kind of magical thing is i feel a bit. kind of pulling the wings of a butterfly even to talk about it because it's sort of mysterious you know broaching song is sort of a mystery. how it happens or what happens with the connections made between the hardness soul in the brain and the intellect on the mater of. if one is into

the actually inquisitive the world one of simmons sonus of it's just a way of. being in the life you get this question a lot in. different forms but i never really quite grasped an answer for instance if you go to a public art and concert was a great musician and a friend of yours from what i gather you forget about syria and sanctions for one night anyhow that little space of three hours thing about love or heartbreak or no family friendship you would never be ok with giving your audience or people just that what is it about. does music always have to be fused with a certain message or else it makes less sense and not as important or there's no no there's no house to doesn't have to and i think my father was dead so i never really knew him much so put my mother gave me a great gift when i was

a child and that was she said that the only thing that was fundamentally important to her was to care for other human beings to empathize with others so for instance. she was school teacher she had my brother march bring up on a round and she would she was very poor school so if she would go to a political meeting often in the name she druggists along with we sit there of the british china friendship association or something this is specific and we would work grainy movies about the heroic struggle of the child you know have come out of now and the long march of the chinese people's fights or against the japanese the puppet government block. after the meetings in cambridge were brought up would be in the friends meeting house which is the that the home of the quakers.

religious. and then forget my mum said to me one day when we were leaving she said you know where we are and i said. i didn't read it it's a school the friends meeting it's the quakers there it's a christians and she said as you know i'm an atheist so i cannot subscribe to their religious beliefs but they are very very good people and i thought wow how cool is that a stew a cannot can hear as saying it so i guess you're very much like your mother from what you describe right now to have your hands welcoming me and you're very outspoken and you always say what you think and you're very adamant to get your message through and you've been political throughout all your life from day one of your career but people now are saying you know maybe the waters should just stick to music they never really say it before and i wonder why it has become so

pervasive now as your message changed to the become more acute why are they all of a sudden realizing that roger waters along with a great music is as the sleepwalking because there is sleep. because they are the victims of the near liberalism you know that ronald reagan and margaret thatcher brought to the world that has spread all basically certainly through western culture and western politics and things and a part of part of the way that it works is is to anesthetize people and almost make it uncomfortable for people to hear anything real you know this is this is so it's difficult for some people and i do get people i mean in america you would get people walking out of the shows not many maybe four or five out of twenty thousand you know but nevertheless feel forced to stop wasn't just

shut up and play the music you know and i sometimes speak to them because i speak to the audience most places that a player now and some terms of i'm a bit put out for how ready are they to hear the most of them are like they're just a triple breed for instance great and then you're speaking to them like you know he trying to get the law in their comfort zone unfortunately we don't educate ourselves or our children well enough. and the reason we don't do that is a well in america i live in the united states of america and united states of america they spend nothing on public education and the reason is in my view i'm always ready to be wrong about everything they want to keep. the electorate ignorant. mindless and unthinking malleable boobs and

very open to the use of consumerism and propaganda to keep them under control to maintain you know the william notion of the sheep or whatever whatever whatever i'm going to get to the western mainstream because i really want to hear your views on that but a little bit about you before we get to the bigger things. one iraq war was taking place you said that you were songs from the wall where as relevant as ever and now you are into or. the tour is called. them that's a song from the dark side and obviously you feel like it's relevant day but you know what hasn't really changed in the last forty years i mean no i phone one thirty five thousand will ever change the fact from what we see that people are killing each other for religion or oil or gas or money or they're still continuing to doing today as if they're doing like two thousand years ago just like discourage your demoralise your work you've seen driving because you've been out there for

forty years and all your songs were element than are relevant now but things are really change well that's true but we have to remember the food she uses. as sort of the run of the end in terms of the history of homo sapiens and you also in terms of thought in terms of the way things develop and the potential that we have to change systems. you know first of all you really have to go back to say well i'm glad that i was born of to the enlightenment if you like i'm god i'm i'm glad the french revolution happened a couple hundred years ago so that we can have the question that what the loam is in our back pocket if we want it i agree with that it's a good thing this is something i can cling. but and then that that that puts a stone somewhere different than the people who would suggest that i shouldn't be

political or commotion what are you talking about what should shouldn't be it's none of your business and you cannot come where you can come but you can influence me with an opinion about something it's not your music it's my music it's not your job it's my job it's my life this is what i do and it's one of always done if you thought you were a fan of pink floyd and you didn't notice that that's what i did when i was running pink floyd you're only in there but i don't want to hear life is too short for me to listen to it i'm not interested in their opinions i'm interested in the opinions of people who fought for or cared or something or have something about the. that. there are certain people even meet you talk to and it's like reading a great book let's talk about you and what you believe in or you're very outspoken

about the years you know you're an avid supporter of the waco divestment sanctions movement you urge colleagues to follow suit. latest example an atlanta rape there is no question that when you say things you believe in them and you take full responsibility for it by healthcare is it to actually you know shame some of your colleagues into not going to israel or you know pressured them to think like you they don't because you are your own person in europe willing to use the thinking that. miles on the surface to say nothing i can't say no when the civil society in palestine has reached out to the rest of global civil society which it did in two thousand and four and. and specifically the piri piri see the. the cultural or could think they reached those

specifically reached out to his coat fufu to sinatra deming's and the rest of the world and said we are dying we're dying here. we're dying please help us please do not go. to israel and perform if they offer you an academic after labor award please refuse it with this is the only way we can think of now off to the to and for how it's rarely israel's government changed their mind well. look what they're doing now they're trying now to make b.d.s. illegal in the united states and in fronts and in germany and to some extent because the. b.d.s. has shown the light on what they are actually doing but they don't seem to be learning anything from a moment but. they are swayne public opinion all over the world now

by killing those hundred fifty kids and in the great march the return home the protests near the friends that surround the prison. people who are up poor. because is almost impossible not to be if you see it you know you have to sit b.d.'s helps people see it i help people see it up also most much of it as i can always because it's so important to me still there's another side to this story and that's as regular as rallies some of them still come to or show them no like voted for netanyahu they're not for silent how there's a to planets that people tell me that unfortunately still it's a huge majority of of israeli jews believe that the policies in

relation to goes are and in relation to the settlements and the lessons to do with romance not really a fight that unsuitable for them. this is a big big. majority. of israelis maybe no no not israeli arabs who are but there are only twenty percent of the population so that eighty percent of the eighty percent there is a resistance and i know many of them. but it's not huge numbers. when take a short break right now where we're back continue talking to roger waters a legendary and activist co-founder of cold cloyd stay with.

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back with roger waters were your strong opinions about other things i know that the white helots so when they asked you for your help and you know because you're aware it organization and. what how much approached me twice once was for a fundraiser in london. by the syria. ok and i looked in and i thought it was something who are these people and so i did a fair bit of research what is it that you see in our organization that the western mainstream doesn't well hang on a minute what what what is it yeah well. for instance there are always different idolised in the west first and well ok for of her you just just couple

things we could be here all day to where i am it's because that it's a very deep trouble. first or there is no evidence to support the idea that it's across roots organization in rebel held territories in syria the group of people who just want to go and help civilians get them there was no no evidence to support them so that's one thing when i made my speech i gave a little speech in barcelona because the other thing is a french guy who supports the white helmets he goes around the world climbing two buildings were in a way a helmet and he said i want to come on stage and give a message to the children of syria we haven't forgotten here can i come and i went no you can't come on stage and say i mean i'm sure he's sincere and whatever but i explained why this happened my cake was when i put the fourteenth

this year. in the scene in barcelona on april the seventh it is alleged there was a chemical attack in duma in syria and a video appeared. with people who don't children kids would get in a mosque from their faces or an all of made by the white helmets and the white helmets sent this video and it went viral upper volta on the only evidence of that video. for the governments of the united states of america the u.k. and the republic of fronts all decided to go on form syria and just on the basis of that. i stood up on stage and said i think i have this is i think it would be huge error to go bomb airfields in

syria until we know what happened the united states knew kay in front didn't send a hundred cruise missiles to syria i don't think they did much damage thank goodness they didn't kill people but they did do that and they did and then the people left and the next day two journalists went in both of this group of independent it's a powerful he reputable english newspaper broadsheet worst tabloid actually. and and also as a stranger journalist he was i'm working for a conservative christian t.v. station from texas and his name was pison shop and they both extensively went all over to him but they both went to the hospital where the video had been. show up and everybody told them the same story.

absolutely nobody knew anything about any chemical attack the doctor said there was no chemical attack we had a few people in you've got dust in their throats there was no single definite do that nobody nobody was killed certainly nobody was affected by chemical sapan ecod and so this is two independent journalists in and sending out these reports that were unequivocal and i believe i believe them to be true funnily enough the official you know chemical weapons inspectors went in for five weeks later with all this stuff and their report came out and they said they couldn't find a single trace of any of age they found chlorinated that's just something come on the how this phrase which prompted by the so could be anything you know of it so they did not say they in fishel report is now out nobody read it

it wasn't news you couldn't see it on c.n.n. because it's not the narrative that they followed then narrative is that there was a chemical attack and the white omits a wonderful. i just have to say this one more thing of his has said this in oslo and i will say whenever this from the south if that is a grassroots footy cool the way oh man it's a volunteers separate for the people who actually start it in istanbul it was it didn't start service started by an english it soldier. in istanbul but if that body exists. and they and they go and help people of. you know it as out of the russians or somebody else to stop observe them then i support them wholeheartedly with every fiber of my being but.

wooden's points to the fact that that is not the reality i don't know if you did you did you see the the documentary that won the oscar yes i have. only have you ever seen anything so obviously scripted and carefully shot and put to good documentary that come out of the water and that's another thing i want top hear about you're saying carefully scripted you used it is not their narrative that's why the report from the inspectors is not making the mainstream media in the united states when you say like you know i'm critical of u.s. airstrikes or syria or is a. you know i believe after looking into it that they white house lists are shady or even ization from what i've gather or like screwball case is sorry strange then they say right away that you were put in sympathizer that you were aligned with the russian authorities of course if you're if you were and who you are the under just

say you're about out right nut think about it won't get be attacked for being on our journeys it wasn't someone i don't even know if you like but why is it that someone that doesn't express an opinion that's in line with the state department is like scarlet letter it like branded it like a russian spy or like a kremlin sympathizer emilie's like you can't think for yourself will be will mean clearly clearly the warmongers doing it because they want to promote the idea of having war with a round for us to maybe russia second there's a lot of money in war and i know that this sounds like a crazy conspiracy theorist of but it's no why are they spending six hundred billion dollars a year going into foreign countries that a number of them business and killing brown people in brazil why what's it for. you know if you stop asking those why why i do this is it because you're scared because

they're going to attack you because they hate your freedom i mean the narrative is nonsensical in every possible way the us narrative you know probably threw me out french leave the country oh i do i'm no idea did you feel that danger i feel a people trying to silence me i mean obviously on the b.d.s. issue trying to silence me they threaten me as well where would you go. well i'm back i want written a what you mean if if if i didn't live in the united states. i didn't know that you could say i don't think what you can imagine what you go why not russia. russia not even tree. of now and no i do can i ask another thing have you noticed the general line in the way also that the american officials

. allow themselves to have when they come when it comes to speaking about the russians i mean i've just heard this american politicians say russians are genetically driven to co-opt and penetrate that's a quote and i was thinking oh my god like if any of the americans especially officials were caught saying that about jews or the african-americans that would be like the end of their career why is it ok and why is it allowed to speak about russians like that to quibble because because the mainstream media in the united states of america have been selling this narrative to the general public for the last autumn of four years i think it was but how long do you think it goes but i would say about falling it started it started during a bomb period it became really bad during the presidential campaign and

it's gotten in worse ever since trump is in office well that's true i mean i've heard when i was making this this record which was my this is the life we really want. the guy was producing the wreck of producing this record with me started telling me about. how r.t. was. just pure propaganda nothing but a pack of lies so when i watch o.t. so i said that you can see a documentary about fracking on american television because they were and then interested in it in time and telling you anything about anything you know it's so so obvious now that c.n.n. and all the american l. of them they're all the same m.s.m. b c or to fox and everything in between maybe not discover and maybe that's the one little piece of t.v. in the united states where you can occasionally get

a glimpse of three i must say before it's like to be human pressed if it is just. just propagandists food and that i still don't know why it is the whole russia thing i've said this to audiences as well as such there's something in you know other countries women in america said have you any idea who the russians are and give them a russian as i said because i've met many russians and i do not sing on nov many russians very well but i do know this the russian people. gave up twenty million lives in the second world war to save you from the nazis and you want to go around with a stick and poke at them are you insane you have no idea what you're talking about . and also you know nothing about the come true of the people it's just finger

point well once you work for office because i have important things to do. well ok along those important things thanks a lot for talking to us and stay tuned ok like you're watching us. with a with me i thank you. it's hard to imagine after the war. was still active rich in the nineteen seventy head as the chair of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery as

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at least four people were killed and dozens still unaccounted for. the russian city. president. be meeting with rescue workers. to set up joint patrols in the english channel spike in the number of illegal immigrants trying to get into the u.k. over the past two weeks. russian children who'd be held in an iraqi prison. when they return. and a french newspaper apologized to people compare its latest front page to images from the nazi era.