so the ideas that are in the lyrics of some somehow get kicked into a more accessible place by having to relate to the mater of of the music other than i would succumb of magical figure as a feel a bit. kind of pulling the wings of a butterfly even to talk about it because it's sort of mysterious. you know broaching so it's a sort of a mystery. how it happens or what happens with the connections made between the hardness soul in the brain and the intellect on the nature of. if one is into the actually increased of the world who want to have sim and so on and so forth it's just a way of. being in a life you get this question a lot in. different forms but i never really cried grasped an answer for instance if you go to a public art and concert was a great musician and

a friend of yours from what i gather you forget about syria and sanctions for one night anyhow that little space of three hours thing about love or heartbreak or no family friendship you would never be ok with giving your audience are people just that what is it about. does music always have to be fused with a certain message or else that makes less sense and not as important or there's no there's no has to doesn't have to and i think my father was dead so i never really knew him much hope of my mother gave me a great gift when i was a child and that was she said that the only thing that was fundamentally important to her was to care for other human beings to empathize with others so for instance. she was a schoolteacher she had my brother march bring up on

a round and she would she was very political so if she would go to a political meeting often and the think she dragged us along with we sit there and the british china friendship association or something this is specific and we would work grainy movies about the heroic struggle of the child you know have come out of mao and the long march of the chinese peoples for its or against the japanese the puppet government block. after the meetings in cambridge were brought up would be in the friends meeting house which is the that the home of the quakers a religious sect. and then forget my mum said to me one day when we were leaving she said you know where we are you know and i said. i didn't read it it's a school the friends meeting it's the quakers there it's a christians and she said as you know i'm an atheist so i cannot subscribe to their

religious beliefs but they are very very good people and i thought wow how cool is that. stew cannot continue saying it so i guess you're very much like your mother from what you describe right now have their hands welcoming me and you're very outspoken and you always say what you think and you're very adamant to get your message through and you've been political throughout all your life from day one of your career but people now are saying you know maybe you waters should just stick to music they never really say it before and i wonder why it has become so pervasive now as your message changed to the become more acute why are they all of a sudden realizing that roger waters along with great music is as the sleepwalking because there is sleep. because they are the victims of the near liberalism you know that ronald reagan and margaret thatcher brought to the world

that has spread all basically certainly through western culture and western politics and things and a part of part of the way that it works is is to anesthetize people and almost make it uncomfortable for people to hear anything real you know this is this is so it's difficult for some people and i do get people i mean in america you would get people walking out of the shows not many maybe four or five out of twenty thousand you know but nevertheless feel forced to. stop wasn't just shut up and play the music you know and i sometimes speak to them because i speak to the audience most places that i play now and sometimes of i'm a bit put out for how ready are they to hear the most of them are like they're just a triple breed for instance great and then you're speaking to them like little you know he trying to get the law in their comfort zone unfortunately we don't educate

ourselves or our children well enough. and the reason we don't do that is a well in america i live in the united states of america and united states of america base spend nothing on public education and the reason is in my view i'm always ready to be wrong about everything they want to keep the electorate ignorant and mindless and unthinking and malleable pliable rooms and very open to the use of consumerism and propaganda to keep them under control to maintain you know their william notion of the sheep and whatever board up or whatever says i'm going. got to the western mainstream as they really want to hear your views on that but a little bit about you before we get to the bigger things. one iraq war was taking

place is that you were songs from the war where as relevant as ever and now you're into or. the tour is called us bless them that's a song from the dark side and obviously you feel like it's relevant day but you know. what hasn't really changed in the last forty years i mean no i phone one thirty five thousand will ever change the fact from what we see that people are killing each other for religion or oil or gas or money or they're still continuing to doing today as if they're doing like two thousand years ago does it i discourage your demoralise your work you've seen driving because you've been out there for forty years and all your songs were element than are relevant now but things are really change well that's true but we have to remember the food she uses. is sort of the run of the end in terms of the history of homo sapiens and in terms of food in terms of the way things develop and the potential that we have to change

systems. you know first of all you really have to go back to say well i'm glad that i was born out of to the enlightenment if you like i'm god i'm i'm glad the french revolution happened a couple hundred years ago so that we can have. the question that what the loan is in about pocket if we want it i agree with. it's a good thing this is something i can cling. but a man that that that puts a stone somewhere different than the people who would suggest that i should be produced school tomorrow shows what are you talking about what should shouldn't be it's none of your business and you cannot come where you can come but you can influence me with an opinion about something it's not your music it's my music it's not your job it's my job it's my life this is what i do and this was always done if

you thought you were a fan of pink floyd and you didn't notice that that's what i did when i was running for your lives in that but i don't want to hear life is too short for me to listen to it i'm not interested in their opinions i'm interested in the opinions of people who fought for or cared or something or have something about the. that. there are certain people even meet you talk to and it's like reading a great book let's talk about you and what you believe in or you're very outspoken about the years you know you're an avid supporter of the waco divestment sanctions movement you urge colleagues to follow suit as example and then rate there is no question that when you say things you believe in them and you take full responsibility for what health care is it to actually you know shame some of your

colleagues into not going to israel or you know pressured them to think like you they don't because you are your own person in europe willing to existing that. miles on the surface to say nothing. i can't say no when the civil society in palestine has reached out to the rest of global civil society which it did in two thousand and four and. and specifically the peer to peer is sci fi but the cultural or could think they reached there specifically reached out to his and cultural figures and i could deming's in the rest of the world and said we're dying we're dying here. we're dying please help us please do not go. and. to israel and perform if they offer you an academic after later award please refuse it with this is the

only way we can think of now off to the to and from how into our lake israel's government changed their mind well. look what they're doing now they're trying now to make b.d.s. illegal in the united states and in fronts and in germany and to some extent because b.d.s. has shown the light on what they are actually doing but they don't seem to be learning anything from it of moment but they are swain public opinion all over the world by killing those hundred fifty kids and in the great march the return home the protests near the fence that surround the prison. people who are up poor by. it because it is almost impossible not to be

if you see it. you know you have to sit b.d.'s helps people see it i hope people see it up also most much of it as i can always because it's so important to me still there's another side to this story and that's just regular israelis some of them still come to our show they have them know like voted for netanyahu they're not for silence how fair is the to punish that people tell me that unfortunately still it's a huge majority of of israeli jews believe that the policies in relation to goes are and in relation to the settlements and lace and to do with romance and really a fight that unsettled. this is a big big. majority. of israelis maybe no not not israeli arabs who are but there are only twenty percent of the population so that

eighty percent of the eighty percent there is a resistance and i know many of them. but it's not huge numbers. when take a break right now when we're back talking to roger waters the legendary musician activist co-founder of stay with. welcome to the crystal ball edition of crosstalk what can we expect in the new year we have

a great lineup of guests telling us they think. it's hard to imagine after the war a nazi doctor was still active rich in the nineteen seventies crittle had as the chair of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery. a german company develops a little mite drug that was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy. it turned out to have terrible side effects what has happened to my baby anything paul you know she said is just cut short arms minix a little mind victims i have to this day received no compensation they never apologized for the suffering that not only want the money i want the revenge. but politicians to. put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected.

so when you want to be president. or some want to. have to go right to be first. this is what it looks like three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters in the. west sydney. nobody could see coming that false confessions would be that prevalent in the spot waistcoats wrongful conviction books had any interrogations out there what you'll see is threat promise threat promise threat lie a lie a lie the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind make the most comfortable makes them want to get out and don't take no for an answer don't accept their denials she said therefore we're all poor henri said on the statement that i would be home by that time the next day there's a culture on accountability and police officers know that they can engage in

misconduct that has nothing to do with all the crime. we're back with roger waters was your strong opinions about other things i know that the white house at some point they asked you for your help and you know now because you're a weird organization. and wouldn't know what what how much approached me twas once was for a fundraiser in london. by the syria. ok and i looked in and i thought it was something who are these people and so i did a fair bit of research what is it that is the arrogant it's a shame that the western mainstream doesn't well hang on

a minute i what what what is it yeah well. for instance they're always different i realized in the west first and well ok. for of her you just just couple things we could be here all day to where i am it's because that it's a very deep trouble. first or there is no evidence to support the idea that it's across roots organization in rebel held areas in syria the group of people who just want to go and help civilians get out of them there was no no evidence to support them so that's one thing when i made my speech i gave a little speech in barcelona because the other thing is a french guy who supports the white helmets he goes around the world climbing two buildings were in a way a helmet and he said i want to come on stage and give a message to the children of syria we haven't forgotten here can i come and i went

no you can't come on stage and say i mean i'm sure he's sincere and whatever but i explained why this happened my cake was when i put the fourteenth this year. in this year in barcelona on april the seventh it is alleged there was a chemical attack in duma in syria and a video appeared. with people who don't children kids would get you know mosques on their faces or and all of that made by the white helmets and the white helmets sent this video and it went viral up about on the only evidence of that video. for the governments of the united states of america the u.k. and the republican fronts all decided to go on form syria. and just on the

basis of that. i stood up on stage and said i think i have this is i think it would be huge error to go bomb efi of sin syria until we know what happened the united states knew kay in front didn't send a hundred cruise missiles to syria i don't think they did much damage thank goodness they didn't kill people but they did do that and they did it and then the people left and the next day two journalists went in both of this group of independent it's a powerful he reputable english newspaper broadsheet was tabloid actually. and and also a strange journalist he was i'm working for a conservative christian t.v. station from texas and his name was pison shop and they both

extensively went all over to him but they both went to the hospital where the video had been. show up and everybody told them the same story. absolutely nobody knew anything about any chemical attack the doctor said there was no chemical attack we had a few people in you've got dust in their throats there was not a single deathly duma that nobody nobody was killed certainly nobody who was affected by chemical supply any kind and so this is two independent journalists in and sending out these reports that were unequivocal and i believe i believe them to be true funnily enough the official you know chemical weapons inspectors went in for five weeks later with all this stuff and their report came out and they said they couldn't find a single trace of any of age they found chlorinated that's just

something come on the how this phrase which prompted by the so could be anything in a bit so they did not say they in fishel report is now out nobody read it it wasn't news you couldn't see it on c.n.n. because it's not the narrative that they follow then narrative is that it was a chemical attack and the white omits a wonderful i just have to say this one more thing that's as i said this in a slow and i will say whenever this comes up if that is a gross roots forty cool the way home as a volunteer is. separate for the people who actually start it in istanbul it was it didn't start service started by an english it soldier. in istanbul but if that body exists. and they and they go and help people of. you know it as out of the russians or somebody else to stop observe them then i support the

whole heartedly with every fiber of my being. but. wouldn't points to the fact that that is not the reality i don't know if you did you did you see the the documentary that won the oscar yes i have. mean have you ever seen anything so obviously scripted and carefully shot and put to good documentary that come out of the water and that's another thing i want top to about you're saying carefully scripted you used it is not their narrative that's why the report from the inspectors is not making the mainstream media in the united states when you say like you know i'm critical of u.s. airstrikes or syria or is a. you know i believe after looking into it that they white house lots are shady are going ization from what i've gather or like screwball case is sorry strange

then they say right away that you were put in sympathizer that you were aligned with the russian authorities who said sure if you were and who you are the under say here about outright nuts. because be attacked for being an obsolete things that wasn't someone i don't even know if you like what why did that someone that doesn't express an opinion that's in line with the state department is like scarlet letter like branded it like a russian spy or like a kremlin sympathizer emilie's like you can't think for yourself will be will mean clearly clearly the warmongers doing it because they want to promote the idea of having war with the rum for us to maybe russia second there's a lot of money in war and i know that this sounds like a crazy conspiracy theorist of but it's not why are they spending six hundred billion dollars a year going into foreign countries that

a number of them business and killing brown people in bristol why what's it for. you know if you stop asking those why why i do this is it because you're scared because they're going to attack you because they hate your freedom i mean the narrative is nonsensical in every possible way the us narrative here and now probably through me now french leave the country oh i do i'm no idea did you feel that danger and i feel the people are trying to silence me i mean obviously on the b.d.s. issue trying to silence me they threaten me as well where would you go. well i'm back to what written a what you mean if if if i didn't live in the united states. i didn't know about the u.k. i don't think what you can imagine what you go why not russia. russia

not even tree. of now i've no idea you can ask another thing have you noticed the general line in the lean they also that the american officials. allow themselves to have when they come when it comes to speaking about the russians i mean i've just heard this american politicians say russians are genetically driven to co-opt and penetrate that's a quote and i was thinking oh my god like if any of the americans especially officials were caught saying that about jews or the african-americans that would like the end of their career why is it ok and why is it allowed to speak about russians like that we're all because because the mainstream media in the united states of america have been selling this narrative to the general public. for the last autumn of four years i think it was but how long do you think

it goes but i would say about fooling it started it started during obama period it became really bad during the presidential campaign and it's gotten worse ever since trump is in office yeah well that's true i mean i've heard when i was making this this record or just my this is the life we really want. the guy was producing the record producing this record with me started telling me about. how r.t. was. just pure propaganda nothing but a pack of lies so when i watch ati so i thought it does you can see a documentary about fracking on american television because they were and then they'll interested in it in time and telling you anything about anything you know it's so so obvious now that c.n.n. and all the american l. of them they're all the same m.s.m.

b c or to fox and everything in between maybe not discover and maybe that's the one little piece of t.v. in the united states where you can occasionally get a glimpse of three i must say before it's like to be human press to fit is just. just propagandists food and that i still don't know though is the whole russia thing i've said this to audiences as well i said to the something in you know of the countries women in america said have you any idea who the russians . and the the russian as i said because i've met many russians and i do not sing on nov many russians very well but i do know there is the russian people. gave up twenty million lives in the second world war to save you from the nazis and you want to go around with the stick and poke at them are you insane you have

no idea what you're talking about. and also you know nothing about the country or the people who are it's just finger point well it's your word for our poor things to do. and. along those important things thanks a lot for talking to stay to. your liking or watching us how will the luck with everything as a thank you. if .

you will be in the. u.s. does. it with the people most of. all what i mean we. can make it. through. really a local if you give me for me we can see as you know if you buy if. you're in a couple million. i'm with you more with the baby when was the number one most muslim given money also given by my infamous i was a defense. seemed

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because a few. weeks before you started a dozen. at least seventy people were killed and thirty five left unaccounted for. in the rush. to step up joint patrols in the first spike in the number of legal immigrants trying to get to the u.k. over the past two weeks. thirty russian children who've been held in iraqi prison with the allegedly. parents. leave when they return to russia.

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