thank you everyone's really happy that you're here looking for your tour and i'm looking for a little chat so i'm going to start from the eternal question because you've been pushing the boundaries of music forever. at the same time the lyrics that you write are always very powerful so the question is what is more powerful the word or the music. well the way the way they. have equal importance i mean the trick with rock with. songs i'm never quite sure where comes from but it has to do with threw away the feelings that are in the lyrics of the songs and the ideas that are in the lyrics of the song somehow get kicked into a more accessible place by having to relate to the mater of of the music other now it's a kind of magical for me as i feel a bit. kind of pulling the wings of

a butterfly even to talk about it because it's sort of mysterious you know broaching song is sort of a mystery. how it happens or what happens with the connections made between the hardness soul in the brain on the intellect and the nature of. if one is into the actually increased two for the world woman of sin and so on and so forth it's just a way of. being in the life you get this question a lot in. different forms but i never really quite grasped an answer for instance if you go to a pub mccartney concert was a great musician and a friend of yours from what i gather you forget about syria and sanctions for one night anyhow that little space of three hours thing about love or heartbreak or no family friendship you would never be ok with giving your audience or people just

that what is it about. does music always have to be fused with a certain message or else it makes less sense and not as important no there's no there's no house to doesn't have to and i think my father was dead so i never really knew him much hope of my mother gave me a great gift when i was a child and that was she said that the only thing that was fundamentally important to her was to care for other human beings to empathize with others so for instance. she was school teacher she had my brother march bring up on a round and she would she was very political so if she would go to a political meeting often in the name she drug us along with we sit. the british china friendship association or something this is specific and we would work grainy

movies about the heroic struggle of the child you know have come out of mao and the long march of the chinese peoples for its or against the japanese the puppet government block. after the meetings in cambridge were brought up would be in the friends meeting house which is the that the home of the quakers. religious. and never forget my mum said to me one day when we were leaving she said you know where we are you know and i said. i didn't read it it's a school the friends meeting it's the quakers there it's a christians and she said as you know i'm an atheist so i cannot subscribe to their religious beliefs but they are very very good people and i thought wow how cool is that a stew a can with a can here as saying it so i guess you're very much like your mother from what you

describe right now i have their hands welcoming me and you're very outspoken and you always say what you think and you're very adamant to get your message through and you've been political throughout all your life from day one of your career but people now are saying you know maybe the waters should just stick to music they never really say it before and i wonder why it has become so pervasive now as your message changed to the become more acute why are they all the sudden realising that roger waters along with great music is as the sleepwalking because there is sleep. because they are the victims of near liberalism you know that ronald reagan and margaret. brought to the world that has spread all basically certainly through western culture and western politics and things and a part of part of the way that it works is is to anesthetize people and

almost make it uncomfortable for people to hear anything real you know this is this is so it's difficult for some people and i do get people i mean in america you would get people walking out of the show there's not many maybe four or five out of twenty thousand you know but nevertheless forced to stop wasn't just shut up and play the music you know and i sometimes speak to them because i speak to the audience most places that i play now and sometimes of i'm a bit play for how ready are they to hear the most of them are like they're just a triple breed for instance right and then you're speaking to them like you know he trying to get the law in their comfort zone unfortunately we don't educate ourselves or our children well enough. and the reason we don't do that is a well in america i live in the united states of america united states of america

they spend nothing on public education and the reason is in my view i'm always ready to be wrong about everything they want to keep. the electorate ignorant. and mindless and i'm thinking malleable booms and very open to the use of consumerism and propaganda to keep them under control to maintain you know the william notion of the sheep and whatever board up or whatever i'm going to get to the western mainstream as they really want to hear your views on that but a little bit about you before we get to the bigger things. one iraq war was taking place is that you were songs from the war where as relevant as ever and now you're into or. the tour is called us bless them that's a song from the dark side and obviously you feel like it's relevant day but you know. what hasn't really changed in that forty years i mean no i phone one thirty

five thousand will ever change the fact from what we see that people are killing each other for religion or oil or gas or money or they're still continuing to doing today as if they're doing like two thousand years ago just like discourage your demoralise your work you've seen driving because you've been out there for forty years and all your songs were element than are relevant now but things are really change well that's true but we have to remember that forty years is. is sort of the run of the end in terms of the history of homo sapiens and new in terms of food in terms of the way things develop and the potential that we have to change systems. you know first of all you really have to go back to say well i'm glad that i was born out of to the enlightenment if you like i'm god i'm i'm glad the french

revolution happened a couple hundred years ago so that we can have. the question that what the loan is in about pocket if we want it i agree with. it's a good thing this is something i can cling. but and then that that that puts a stone somewhat different than the people who would suggest that i should be political or a commotion what are you talking about what should shouldn't be it's not my own business and you cannot come where you can come but you can influence me with an opinion about something it's not your music it's my music it's not your job it's my job it's my life this is what i do and that's why of always done if you thought you were a fan of pink floyd and you didn't notice that that's what i did when i was running for your lives in that but i don't want to hear life is too short for me to listen

to it i'm not interested in their opinions i'm interested in the opinions of people who fought for or cared or something or have something about the. that. there are certain people even meet you talk to and it's like reading a great book let's talk about you and what you believe in or you're very outspoken about yours you know you're an avid supporter of the waco divestment sanctions movement you urge colleagues to follow suit labor's example and then rate there is no question that when you say things you believe in them and you take full responsibility for what health care is it to actually you know shame some of your colleagues into not going to israel or you know pressured them to think like you they don't because you are your own person in europe well in tiger woods is thinking that. miles on the surface to say nothing. i can't say

no when the civil society in palestine has reached out to the rest of global civil society which it did in two thousand and four and. and specifically the peer to peer is sci fi but the cultural war could think they reached those specifically reached out to his and cultural figures and i took them makes in the rest of the world and said we're dying we're dying here. we're dying please help us please do not go. and. to israel and perform if they offer you an academic at a later award please refuse it with this is the only way we can think of now off to the to and from how does the israel's government change their mind well. look what they're doing now they're trying now to make b.d.s.

illegal in the united states and in fronts and in germany and to some extent that because the. b.d.s. has shown the light on what they are actually doing but they don't seem to be learning anything from it of moment but they are swain public opinion all over the world by killing those hundred fifty kids and in the great march the return home the protests near the fence that surround the prison. people who are up poor by. it because it is almost impossible not to be if you see it. you know you have to sit b.d.'s helps people see it i hope people see it up also most much of it as i can always because

it's so important to me still there's another side to this story and that's just regular israelis some of them still come to our show they have them know like voted for netanyahu they're not for silence how thyrza to punish that people tell me that unfortunately still so huge majority of of israeli jews believe that the policies in relation to go sir and in relation to the settlements in the lakes and to do with romance now really a fight that unsettled. this is a big big. majority. of israelis maybe no not not israeli arabs who are but they're only twenty percent of the population so that eighty percent of the eighty percent there is a resistance and i know many of them. but it's not huge numbers. break right now where we're back talking to roger

waters. and activist co-founder of. nobody could see coming that false confessions would be prevalent in this population of from flicker. any interrogation out there what you'll see is threat promise threat promise threat lie a lie a lie the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind make the most comfortable makes them want to get out and don't take no for an answer don't accept their denials she said if i would. say i stayed there i would

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now we're back with roger waters watcher you are strong opinions about other things i know that the white helmets at some point they asked you for your help and you know because you're aware of the organization and. what helmets what helmets approached me twice once was for a fundraiser in london who were not supposed to syria come by ok and i looked up to it was something who are these people and so it did feel a bit of research what is it that you see in our organization that the western mainstream doesn't well hang on a minute a what what what is it yeah look. for and stick is there always different idolised in the west first of well ok. of tell you just just couple of things we could be here all day talking about how much because that it's a very deep rabbit hole. first or there is no evidence to support the idea that

it's across roots organization in rebel held trees in syria the group of people who just want to go and help civilians get out of them there was no no evidence to support them so that's one thing when i made my speech i gave a little speech impossible own up because the other thing is a french guy who supports the white helmets he goes around the world climbing to buildings where in a way a helmet and he said i want to come on stage and give a message to the children of syria we haven't forgotten here can i come and go and . no you can't come on stage and say i mean i'm sure he's sincere and whatever but i explained why this happened my cake was when i put the fourteenth this year. in the sea here in barcelona on

april the seventh it is alleged there was a chemical attack in duma in syria and a video appeared. with people who i was in don't children kids with get you know mosques on their faces or of a know of made by the helmets and the white helmets sent this video and it went viral on the on the evidence of that video. the governments of the united states of america the u.k. in the republican front all says i did go on form syria. and i'm just on the basis of that. i stood up on stage and said i think i have this is i think it would be huge error to go bomb efi of sin syria until we know what happened the united states knew u.k. and france didn't send

a hundred cruise missiles to syria i don't think they did much damage thank goodness that didn't kill people but they did do that and they did and then the people left and the next day two journalists went in both the fiscal independent it's a powerful he reputable english newspaper broadsheet west tabloid actually. and and also a strange journalist he was i'm working for a conservative christian t.v. station from texas and his name was pison shop and they both extensively went all over to him but they both went to the hospital where the video had been. show up and everybody told them the same story. absolutely nobody knew anything about any chemical attack the doctor said there was no chemical attack we had a few people in you've got dust in their throats there was no single definite do

that nobody nobody was killed certainly nobody was affected by chemical soprani cod and so this is two independent journalists in and sending out these reports that were unequivocal and i believe i believe them to be true funnily enough the official you know chemical weapons inspectors went in for five weeks later with all this stuff and their report came out and they said they couldn't find a single trace of any of h. they found chlorinated that's just something come on the how this phrase which prompted by the so could be anything you know but so they did not said they in fishel report is now out nobody read it it wasn't news you couldn't see it on c.n.n. because it's not the narrative that they follow then narrative is that there was

a chemical attack in the white omits a wonderful i just have to say this one more thing of his has said this in a slow and i will say whenever this from south if that is a grassroots footy cool the way oh man it's a volunteer is separate for the people who actually start it in istanbul it was it didn't start service started by an english it soldier. in istanbul but if that body exists. and they and they go and help people of. you know if the a senate or the russians or somebody else to stop observe them then i support the whole heartedly with every fiber of my being but. wouldn't point the fact that that is not the reality i don't know if you did you did you see the the documentary that won the oscar yes i have. mean

i've ever seen anything so obviously scripted and carefully shot and put to good documentary that come out of the water and that's another thing i want top to about you're saying carefully scripted you used it is not their narrative that's why the report from the inspectors is not making the mainstream media in the united states when you say like you know i'm critical of u.s. airstrikes or syria or is a. you know i believe after looking into it that they white house lists are shady or going to zation from what i've gather or like screwball case is sorry strange then they say right away that you were put in sympathizer that you were aligned with the russian authorities who said sure if you were and who you are the under just say here about outright not think about it won't give be attacked for being a nazi is it wasn't someone i don't even know if you like why is it that someone

that doesn't express an opinion that's in line with the state department is like scarlet letter like branded it like a russian spy or like a kremlin sympathizer and if like you can't think for yourself well but will mean clearly clearly the warmongers doing it because they want to promote the idea of having war with the rum first to maybe russia second there's a lot of money in war and i know that this sounds like a crazy conspiracy theorist of but it's not why are they spending six hundred billion dollars a year going into foreign countries that a number of them business and killing brown people in bristol why what's it for. you know if you stop asking those simple why why i do this is it because you're scared because they're going to attack you because they hate your freedom i mean the narrative is nonsensical in every possible way the us narrative here and now

probably through me now french leave the country oh i do i'm no idea did you feel that danger and i feel that people are trying to silence me i mean obviously on the b.d.s. issue trying to silence me they threaten me as well where would you go. well look back at what britain a what you mean if if if i didn't live in the united states. i didn't know that you could say i don't think what you can imagine what you go why not russia. russia not even tree. of now and no i do can i ask another thing have you noticed the general line in the leave they also that the american officials. allow themselves to have when they come when it comes to speaking about the russians i mean i've just heard this american politicians say russians are

genetically driven to co-opt and penetrate that's a quote and i was thinking oh my god like if any of the americans especially officials were caught saying that about jews or the african-americans that would be like the end of their career why is it ok and why is it allowed to speak about russians like that to quibble because because the mainstream media in the united states of america have been selling this narrative to the general public for the last autumn of four years i think it was but how long do you think it goes but i would say about falling it started it started during a bomb period it became really bad during the presidential campaign and it's gotten in worse ever since trump is in office yeah well that's true i mean i've had to when i was making this this record which was my this is the life we

really want. the guy was producing the wreck of producing this record with me started telling me about how far to eat how artie was. just pure propaganda nothing but a pack of lies so when i watch o.t. so i said that you can see a documentary about fracking on american television because they were and then interested in it in time and telling you anything about anything you know it's so so obvious now that c.n.n. and all the american l. of them they're all the same m.s.m. b c or to fox and everything in between maybe not discover and maybe that's the one little piece of t.v. in the united states where you can occasionally get a glimpse of three i must say before it's like to be human press to fit is just. just propagandists fruit and that i still don't know though is the

whole russia thing i've said this to audiences as well a city something in you know of the countries women in america said have you any idea who the russians. and give them a russian. i said because i've met many russians and i do not sing on nov many russians very well but i do know there is the russian people. gave up twenty million lives in the second world war to save you from the nazis and you want to go around with the stick and poke at them are you insane you have no idea what you're talking about. and also you know nothing about the country or the people who are it's just finger point well what you want for our poor things to do. and. along those important things thanks

a lot for talking to us. now like you're watching us how will the luck with everything as a thank you. if you feel. if. you will be in. your last years does. it with the

people most of. all what i mean. i think you make it. really a local symphony we can see as you know if you live by if. you're in it at home or they leave you. with you more with their baby when was the number one most muslim given money also given by my own in the most well. the.

same wrong why don't we all just don't all. get to shape out just come out again and again tread because betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

russia has officially stepped into two thousand nine hundred with the clock having now struck midnight in all eleven of the country's time zones bring you a glimpse of the festivities in central moscow. there's a damper on the celebrations in the russian city of need to go at least seven people are killed and thirty five left unaccounted for after an apartment block collapses following a devastating gas explosion. in other news britain and france are to step up joint patrols in the english channel after a spike in the number of illegal immigrants trying to get to the u.k. for the past two weeks. and thirty russian children who had been held in an iraqi prison and with their allegedly ice a link parents are now back home we were there when they returned to russia.