victory over on wednesday did you have a chance to watch the game yes i watched the game and let's be clear we won the game but we didn't play very well exactly and that's what is your letting me into my next question because according to that game stats the markets were better across the board in terms of the possession of the ball in terms of the shots shots and targets etc but they still lost and i wonder if. you often see this kind of dynamic of the united nations when a country puts up a good game but the final score is still not in its favor and always happens all the time not only everywhere i mean i remember in football in the past so we sometimes have very good teams on the we would lose the games and say we were morally i think yesterday we have lost morally but at what's better this is. not in football but in the context of international relations what is essential for countries to be able to come together and to face the global challenges we have today that of the domestic challenges the understanding that we cannot do it alone

one of the multilateral organizations and we need multilateral governance and you need international but is picking up the biggest most influential player in the year on a still the united states french just recently from the human rights council i understand that the optics of it i'm not very positive but in actual terms what kind of a fallout do you expect from that well of course i would strongly prefer they said since of is the first moment at united states which they in the human rights council i believe human rights such a text is a very important element in the u.n. human rights is one of the pillars of united nations and i hope that. so little later sooner rather than later the u.s. will be able to come back but as i said i strongly believe that in today's world we need multilateral responses and their american side they have both criticism and bias as their reasons for their walkout and the united nations security council certainly is not the only body to criticize either. israel or the united states for

that matter i wonder if you have any concerns at all whether that kind of president could be repeat that and if the united states can pull out from the united nations altogether accessible i mean let's be clear the united states plays a very important role in the when i say it is a founding member like the russian deflation. and of course used to be alt's of one or two areas that are more i would say the other saying is to be of course involved in the sense of the d.v.d.'s of the wind and i believe these will go on more true believer that when one looks at united states and the russian federation those two countries in many aspects common interests sometimes they are fighting but they have common interests and if we look at the middle east that area that we have been that was mentioned the both these decisions the global middle east is there. a strongly believe that the jews the interests of the united

states and the russian federation are not on thorny on the contrary seems the jews are similar and i strongly hope that the divisions that have existed there will be overcome and that the two countries will be able to have this strong cooperation a lowing the international system to work there is no way in which an international system like always can work with all these corporations between the two most important super bowl let me ask specifically about the reason cited for the american walkout these allegations of bias are certainly not me i'm sure you've heard the russia china theory many other countries make similar claims after unfavorable votes but none of them ever walked out of the council simply because i think most of them realize that they're not limited to one single issue the council is broader do you take this american of a troll to mean that the united states at this moment of time doesn't care about anything else about israel no look. you. still the u.s.

position has not always been the same the us was all that it can mean no is going out again which means that there is a a balance in the american public opinion and in the american institutions that going on the party that the balance of the party that is in the shown different attitudes in addition to the human rights council so i don't think we should generalize these i think this is a very specific area where we have always seen the u.s. . position in position to position in so let's hope that in the future the u.s. will come back now speaking about the nature of that criticism i know that the. alstom has just submitted airports are very critical of trump's president trumps tax overhaul claiming that it overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy and of course and inequality and i wonder if that is perhaps a little bit to personalize one thing to criticize any given country's track record

and another thing to. bash individual president's policies before it was actually fully implemented we have in the us several things you have the u.n. secretary that you have the different. namely the significance of the general assembly human rights council and then you have a special report urges that act independently and at present very ports criticizing country zealand there on the most difficult issues which of course do not necessarily present the position of the un and in its entirety my position on these as always been very clear i sink it is better to do it all was taking the country into account not personalize ing seeings in the un with a very strong. we need to be impartial and we need not to politicize issues to treat them based on the truce and based on the charter of delighted nations that i have been suggesting that certain people of within the u.n. gets your direct advice because if i if you let me to. that report it specifically

pointed out that the policies pursued over the past year seem deliberately designed to remove basic protections for from the course it seems like a fairly targeted. shot at especially set forth by special rapporteur that is independent it's it's an opinion that of course needs to be taken into account can see that but doesn't really present the position the formal position of the un but . you know there's a very delicate issues because i'm sure you would agree with me that the position of the american president of president trump at this point of time his actions are crucial for the future of the organization and he is known as somebody who is very sensitive and sometimes very reactive. to the crisis and. do you think that kind of statements are wise in the current environment i don't think it will be. the reason for any crisis in my way of doing scenes different people that sings in different ways my way to do seems to do my job is not to personalize and to do seems based on

impartiality and objective analysis of situations but of course people are different to that we have and i seek it's important when you have independent reports on these kinds of issues to respect their independence that doesn't mean that we subscribe what we say but we respect the independence because if not everyone then will be manipulated and does of course with completely undermine the respectability of those independent board is that an important component of the international community but of course as i say independents are seeing the u.n. secretary it is enough now let me ask you about one more issue that's a lot in the news today that you are yourself weighed in and this is the trumpet ministrations that immigration policy particularly. the practice of separating children from their parents who crossed into the united states illegally mr trump has just sought to reverse that policy by his executive order and i wonder. u.s.

secretary general have really understood how this man functions so what can possibly persuade him to change his mind asking on the immigration i don't think we should personalize things i think we need to look at the policies that this policy has. had a big labor is a relative lots of impact on how do you and us policy was published was to say that in my opinion debt is not a good saying that my experience as i commission for refugees is always that's two separate families is something that's going to have very negative consequences for the people and then of course for the society in general and i'm glad that the policy will be a few versts and i've seen that many other actors in the international community in the in the u.s. politics including in the third minute. expressed their opinion as i said let's the best way to be ective in my opinion is not to personalize is to look into sinks objectively and if you do it in a way that is impartial if you do it's you know way that is objective i sink that's the best way to convince people to do the right thing well let's try to look at it

impartially. policies are usually couched in moral terms but i think there is a very real legal dilemma there. it is not good in any way to separate children from their parents but i think it would also agree that the united states is entitled and has the right to prosecute people who cross into its territory illegally so i wonder whether the more humane way with. those children in jail together with their parents or perhaps to brando's parents and waiver from prosecution simply because they happen to be parents both countries of the right to have their own migration policies but to make addition policies need also to respect human rights migration policies in the management of borders needs also to be protective sensitive namely respecting international refugee law i myself am against the nation. of someone just because someone entered. illegally in the

country you see refugees there's no other chance to escape but to cross the border that that is not in a legal way so i'm not in favor of the policy of our three minimization but as i said i recognize countries have the right to define their own migration policies what is important is that they do it in respect to human rights to human dignity because migrants and also human beings that need to be can see that and respect its absolute inherent all do our best for our children but i think i mean i don't represent fox news here but i think it is important to recognize that they are not talking about the you know serial mothers fleeing for their lives we are talking about mexican mothers and fathers who try to find a better future for their kids but they're living vibrant developing country so. i'm portuguese. in the sixty's. when million five hundred thousand portuguese left the country at the time walking into france. and they were

basically moving because of poverty and basically because they wanted a better life no it doesn't mean. i think everybody should do it but i have a lot of respect for people that. in the case of them it's rainy and put their lives at risk crossing the mediterranean with the escalation to provide for their children a better life than the one they could have so again i am totally against smuggling people but i have a deep respect for the people that try to do something to come out of. there is more people killed in these countries by the different gangs that will put it in the syrian war so we are in situations that are sometimes desperate which means that in these flows of people you have people that fleet only because of

economic reasons but we have also people that have been victims of persecution so again. of the right to be found their policies countries have the right to send back migrants but all that needs to be that in respect for the basic human rights and for the dignity of people now migration is obviously a very contentious issue not only in the united states but also used to be as you just pointed out more welcoming towards migrants and let me tell you something about my question my mother is ninety four years old is not a very serious you know my mother is ninety four years old i visit my mother when i go back to portugal every month and she has always one person taking care of twenty four hours by twenty four hours independently of the family i have never seen a portuguese taking care of my buddy. and in most of the country you have fifty three indexes of one point two one point three one point four make addition is also necessary what is this what is needed in my opinion is to recognize the need to

organize it with interest to avoid these illegal migration to organize migration to create opportunities for illegal migration taking into account of states and the answers of people we need to look at migration is a normal scene in which states need to have the responsibility toward denies them properly instead of leaving to these desperate situation a ditch people flee because there is nothing that is not in place do a lot for normal flows that take into account the needs of countries of origin and the needs of countries of the secretary general i had a chance to interview i think it was four years ago when you were your high commissioner for refugees and you said pretty much the same thing that migration has to be managed and balanced in the four years that have been the countries have learned how to do it in a balanced way that and that is the problem we have today i think i was right four years ago and i'm still right and the fact that this is not being seen. is creating the chaotic situation that we see in many parts of the world in which by gratian

became the issue the issue in many electoral campaigns and because of that you see populists countries center of populist part of these movements and others are gaining ground in many countries if regulation we manage properly in respect for the answer of the countries but also the interests of the people i see these would not be the issue that is driving the politics in so many countries now one of the reasons why are. increasing and we're now having record numbers of more than sixty million people being displaced globally one reason those are displaced by conflict or by conflict and cetera simply that number of those violent conflicts is now the highest in thirty areas the number of people killed in those conflicts has risen ten fold since two thousand and five. you sad makes conflict prevention and mediation all the more important and i would think that the united nations is there the most natural of ben your for that why is it not more successful in mediating on

this track of you know normally when we are successful nobody notices but i'll just give you an exam they really mean that the danger as it is give you an example there was an actual election in liberia and the election liberia was contested as you know when there was a problem where the results would be recognized or not i've sent to president bush one of our members of our level panel of mediation that's was there in the day talking to the two candidates to make sure that they would accept the results and that there would not be a disturbance as we have seen in many other parts of the if there was a problem to go to the courts and whatever we are now doing the same in mediation to go the african union and. that we ever done the same in. this critically in sierra leone in which means there are lots of a t.v. we i mean the a to get the present moment doing our best to avoid a dramatic battle for the city of a day to recognize that the family layering know what is difficult and the reason is very simple volitions is the world became less clear i remember the cold war i

remember the uni polar world not the world is kind of chaotic it's moving hopefully into a multi-polar world and i'm a strong defender of the idea that the world should be organized in a multi-polar way but today we have a chaotic world input addict ability impunity is the name of the game you see lots of vectors i mean how many armies are there now fighting inside syria for example it's very difficult to mediate in these circumstances but every. wonder is and more to make prevention. but i already have priorities to evidencing to the rest of the cause of conflict to create the conditions for communities not to create the level of tension that leads them to conflict but you are absolutely right we are far from being set. because these well know use of the sequel to all the complex worlds where we have a multiplicity effect in the multiplicity of spoilers creating table clean so many ideas with the enormous suffering of the people well secretary general let us take

a very short break now we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of the world of politics small business i'm showbusiness i'll see you then. new year span different fantastic all the drill down into trying nineteen predictions. ten years of the kaiser report. nobody could see coming that false confessions would be that in this population

a brokerage. any interrogation out there what you'll see is trip promise threat promise threat lie a lie a lie the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind make the most comfortable make them want to get out and don't take no for an answer don't accept their denials she said therefore would. send a statement that i would be home by the next day there's a culture on accountability and police officers know that they can engage in misconduct that has nothing to do with all the crime. welcome back to worlds apart would be the secretary general antonio. secretary

general it's been about the year and a half since you took this position from the very beginning you were faced with this challenge of diminishing american presence both in financial terms and some would say moral terms and i assume that led you to rely more on other actors on other players has it worked out did other have other players that bag game. in the lives of american. diminishing. strong support of the so there's a multiple that will so independently of what to do united states we need to be able to promote circumstances in which a multiplicity of victims are more and more relevant. is that you see more of more. in the context of united nations and that is very much welcome from me independently of the position of united nations the united states i mean fortunately into a lot of united states of english and to the key financial commitments of the

maintain their position that as i said as you said some. years with us has left but in addition to the central aspect the us has meant independently of that it's important to have a multi please and it is that equilibrium that's a loss for us to be more impartial in body sectors given how important the united states still is both to their funding and their running off and i'm sure as secretary general your had to run through several contingency plans i wonder in your planning whether you see this change post of the united states as something temporary that may change to your let's say six years down the line or is it a permanent change i think it's important to recognise first of all debts we have been able to maintain with the us. as a working relationship the best of that nikki haley has been extremely constructive in addressing the difficulties that we face are real and if the latest statement.

sounds talking about three nations make that talking about solutions with the secretariat and the solution of the problems of the might of course you're right there's of their own political positions on many issues i'm not talking about that talk about the constructive relationship with the secretary it i think we have managed to have a constructive relationship and we want to keep it but as i said we we need to have a wolves and the united nations in which many actors ect together creating an environment of impartiality and a killer but i'm aware of the world or the united nations or whatever only dependent on one or two countries is not a good saying well i know you have long argued that the us has disengagement from global affairs and i wonder if disengagement is the right word because from my point of view it's not that the trumpet ministration is not engaging i think it is engaging in a very unorthodox ways for example take north korea we've just witnessed the first ever historic meeting between the two. state but it came after you know essentially tittering on the brink of war if you are very seasoned diplomat what do you think

about this kind of approach to diplomacy well let's be honest. what can be one of the most important success stories in. complex. conflict situations soul we can criticize when we can criticize but i must say that the recent summit that took place in singapore is a remarkable achievement and i congratulate to tell me that's that had the courage to do it in circumstances that were complex of course there were lots of. episodes before but even during these episodes i remember very well the i view of the six countries are thought well of and you know that is the six party talks with the aim of the six i've sent to my end the secretary general on political. there's a time jeffrey feltman to pyongyang exactly with your projects have to try to prepare the conditions for this kind of the a lot to be possible which means that if given the heat of the conflict it was

possible with the agreement of all for you when you are all trying to create the conditions to bring people together that's all well i don't know if hero heard that but mr trump also suggested that if you can apply this kind of personal diplomacy to russia for example ask president putin to get out of syria or ukraine and i don't know about here i would be a little bit nervous about where that conversation can leave and i want to ask you what do you actually think about the current state of the u.s. russian relations given their presence very massive presence have made. their own threat is the president putin recently and i said to both the same name to the situation with all the middle east in the in syria my belief that i have said this already to the geostrategic interests of russia and united states in the middle east. and that's in my opinion it's extremely important for the future of the middle east that the two countries come together and have a common strategy and that. i mean it is always easy and i understand that from the point of view of the me that it's much better if you have big fights but from the

point of view of the world it's very important that countries are able to come together to overcome their divisions and to understand their common interests especially in these world where terrorism became so dangerous their common interests are more important than the differences that he said that russian and american common interest in syria overlap somehow and there are grave doubts and grave concerns and they said that the united states may be moving towards creating some sort of partition in syria. i'm sure you heard john bolton the and national security adviser to mr advocating the creation of the so-called sunni which with comprise certain parts of syria and iraq what do you think about this idea even if it has a chance to bring ideas that have you had the opportunity to talk with americans. the russians on this issue and that i believe is absolutely essential is to preserve the territorial integrity of syria and other countries in the region to to

try now to do some kind of new psych speak will in my opinion will be as we side move now there are certain issues that are absolutely essential to. a legacy one of them is the palestinian territories it was the united nations after all which ratified the partition of the palestine which allowed for the creation of israel alongside an arab state the promise that was never granted and i think that is now actively sabotage do you think the palestinians still have a reasonable hope of seeing their own state and when it be more moral more honest to tell them you guys go and build a life somewhere else no i don't think does it that is acceptable i am a strong supporter of the two state solution i don't think there is a thing in three hours i don't see that there is a plan b. i think that to abandon it is not realistic because to abandon it was to condemn death territory to a kind of confrontation in which the consequences would be absolutely devastating happened look at what happened recently in gaza let's not make sure that's make

sure that this doesn't this does this become the situation in the whole head yet the two state solution might still be possible if we overcome the present divisions to abandon that idea in my opinion is a huge risk and i don't seeing that. we can conceive that the two state solution should be abandoned american administration they aren't american mr is serious about the to state solution i not sure about anybody i'm sure about what i believe i am a strong believer that the two state solution is essential because a one state solution would mean want. everybody would have this therefore has it been in existence for a century or this total score i don't think is possible. to be maintained never an easy time though nothing is done though in the world and i believe is not to maintain a sense of spoiling which people suffered and in which the risks for peace and security are that at any moment i think i would roll east to overcome these states

and to create a stable peaceful solution with two peoples able to leave together in respects for their homes a good. secretary general and we have to leave india i really appreciate your time today and. to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and same place same time here. in a world of big. lot and conspiracies it's time to wait to

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