in actual terms what kind of a fallout do you expect from that well of course i would strongly prefer they said since of is the first moment that united states would stay in the human rights council i believe the human rights watch and texture is a very important element in the un human rights is one of the pillars of united nations and i hope that. so little later sooner rather than later the us will be able to come back but as i said i strongly believe that in today's world we need multilateral responses they're american side they have both criticism and bias as their reasons for their walkout and the united nations security council certainly is not the only body to criticize either israel or the united states for that matter i wonder if you have any concerns at all whether that kind of pass then could be repeated and if the united states can pull out from the united nations altogether accessible i mean let's let's be clear the united states plays a very important role in the where i sit is a founding member like the russian federation. and of course

used to be out of one or two areas that are more i would say the other thing is to be of course involved in the center of the d.v.d.'s of the well and i believe these will go on more true believer that when one looks at united states and the russian federation those two countries in many aspects common interests sometimes they are fighting but they have common interests and if we look at the middle east that area that we have been that was mentioned the about this decision the global middle east is area where i'm strongly believe that the geostrategic interests of the humanity the united states and the russian federation a lot and i want to on the contrary things that just similar and i strongly hope that the divisions that have existed of the countries will be overcome and that the two countries will be able to have a strong cooperation a lowing the international. system to work there is no way in which an

international system like always can work with corporations between the two most important super bowl let me ask specifically about the reason cited for the american walkout these allegations of bias are certainly not me i'm sure you have heard the russia china syria many other countries make similar claims after unfavorable votes but none of them ever walked out of the council simply because i think most of them realize that they are not limited to one single issue they devalue the council is broader do you take this american patrol to mean that the united states at this moment of time doesn't care about anything else about israel no look. human rights council the us position is not always been the same the us was all that it can mean was going all to gain which means that there is a balance in the american public opinion and in the american institutions the going on the party that has the balance of the party that is in the show in different

attitudes in addition to the human rights council so i don't think we should generalize these i think this is a very specific area where we have always seen the us with a. position in position to position in so let's hope that in the future the u.s. will come back now speaking about the nature of that criticism i know that the. war and poverty alstom has just submitted every four to very critical of trumps president tax overhaul claiming that it overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy and of course and inequality and i wonder if if that is perhaps a little bit to personalize one thing to criticize any given country's track record and another thing to. bash individual president's policies before it was actually fully implemented we have. several things you have the u.n. secretary that you have the different. namely the significance of the general assembly human rights council and then you have a special up. that act independently and at present very ports criticizing country

zealand there on the most difficult issues which of course do not necessarily present the position of the un and in its entirety my position on these as always been very clear i sink it is better to do it or was taking the country into account and not personalizing seeings in the un with a very strong. we need to be impartial and we need not to politicize issues to treat them based on the truth and based on the charges that have delighted nations that i have them suggesting that certain people of within the one thing against your direct advice because if i if you let me to quote that report it specifically pointed out that the policies pursued over the past year seem deliberately designed to remove basic protections for from the course it seems like a fairly targeted. shot especially set forth by special rapporteur that is independent it's it's an opinion that of course needs to be taken into account can

see that but doesn't represent the position the formal position of the un but. you know there's a very delicate issues because i'm sure you would agree with me that the position of the american president of president trump at this point of time his actions are crucial for the future of the organization and he is known as somebody who is very sensitive and sometimes very reactive. to the crisis and. do you think that kind of statement wise in the current environment i don't think it will be. the reason for any crisis as i said in my way of doing scenes different people dustings in different ways my way to do seems to do my job is not to personalize and to do seems based on impartiality and objective analysis of situations but of course people are different we have and i seek it's important when you have independent reports on these kinds of issues to respect their independence that doesn't mean that we subscribe what we see. but we respect the independence because if not

everyone then will be manipulated and does of course with completely undermine the respectability of those independence borders that are an important component of the international community but of course as i say independents are seeing the u.n. secretary it is enough now let me ask you about one more issue that's a lot in the news today that you are yourself weighed in and this is the trumpet ministrations that immigration policy particularly. the practice of separating children from their parents who crossed into the united states illegally mr trump has just sought to reverse that policy by his executive order and i wonder what the u.s. secretary general have really understood how this man functions so what can possibly persuade him to change his mind asking on the immigration i don't think we should personalize things i think we need to look at the policies that this policy has existed and the big winner is a relative lots of impact on how do you and us policy was published was to say that

in my opinion debt is not a good thing and that my experience as i commission for refugees is always that's two separate families is something that's going to have very negative consequences for the people and then of course for the society in general and i'm glad that the policy will be if you first see that many other actors in the international community in the in the u.s. politics including in the family. expressed their opinion as i said let's the best way to be ective in my opinion is not to personalize is to look into seems objectively and if you do it in a way that is impartial if you do it's you know way that is objective i think that's the best way to convince people to do the right thing well let's try to look at it impartially. policies are usually couched in moral terms but i think there is a very real legal dilemma there it is not good in any way to separate children from their. paris but i think it would also agree that the united

states is entitled and has the right to prosecute people who cross into its territory illegally so i wonder whether the more humane way with me to put those children in jail together with their parents or perhaps to brando's parents and waver from prosecution simply because they happen to be parents both countries of the right to have their own migration policy that's migration policy is need also to respect human rights migration policies in the management of borders needs also to be protective sensitive namely respecting international refugee law i myself am against the nation of someone just because someone. not legally in the country you see refugees is no other chance to escape but to cross the border that that not in a legal way so i'm not in favor of a policy of minimization but as i said i recognize countries have the right to define their own migration policies what is important is that they do it in respect

to human rights to human dignity because migrants are also human beings that need to be can see that and respect it's absolute and we would all do our best for our children but i think it i mean i don't represent fox news here but i think it is important to recognize that they are not talking about the you know serial mothers fleeing for their lives we are talking about mexican mothers and fathers who try to find a better future for their kids but they're leaving vibrant developing countries so . i'm portuguese. in the sixty's. when million five hundred thousand portuguese left the country at the time walking into for us. and they were basically moving because of poverty and basically because they wanted a better life now it doesn't mean that. i think everybody should do it but i have a lot of respect for people that in the case of the me trainee and put their lives

at risk crossing the mediterranean with the escalation to provide for their children a better life than the one they could have so again. i am totally against smuggling people but i have a deep respect for the people that try to do something to come out of. there is more people killed in these countries by the different gangs that operates in the syrian war so we are in situations that are sometimes desperate which means that in these flows of people you have people that fleet only because of economic reasons but we have also people that have been victims of persecution. of the right to be found their policies countries have the right to send back migrants but all that needs to be that in respect for the basic human rights and for the dignity of

people migration is obviously a very contentious issue not only in the united states but also used to be as you just pointed out. towards migrants and let me tell you something about my question my mother is ninety four years old it was not a very serious you know my mother is under forty years old i visit my mother when i go back to portugal every month and she has always one person taking care of twenty four hours by twenty four hours independently of the family and i have never seen a portuguese taking care of my mother. and in most of the country you have fifty three indexes of one point two one point three one point four make addition is also necessary what is this what is needed in my opinion is to recognize the need to organize it with interest to avoid these illegal migration to organize migration to create opportunities for illegal migration taking into account deaves of states and the answers of people we need to look at migration as a normal scene in which states need to have the responsibility toward denies them properly instead of leaving to these desperate situation. because there is nothing

that is not in place to a lot for normal flows that take into account the needs of countries of origin and the needs of countries of this nation what secretaries are not i had a chance to interview i think it was four years ago when you were your high commissioner for refugees and you said pretty much the same thing that migration has to be managed and balanced in the four years that have to do you think the countries have learned how to do it in a balanced way that and that is the problem we have today i think i was right four years ago and i'm still right and the fact that this is not being seen. is creating the chaotic situation that we see in many parts of the world in which by gratian became the issue the issue in many electoral campaigns and because of that you see populists countries and of populist part of these movements and others gaining ground in many countries if regulation we manage properly in respect for the answer of the countries but also the interests of the people i see these would not be the

issue that is driving the politics in so many countries now one of the reasons why are. increasing and we are now having record numbers of more than sixty eight million people being displaced globally one reason those are displaced by conflict or by conflict and. number of those violent conflicts is now the highest in thirty areas the number of people killed in those conflicts has risen ten fold since two thousand and five. usat makes conflict prevention and mediation all the more important and i would think that the united nations is the most natural of ben your for that why is it not more successful in mediating all this trouble you know normally when we are successful nobody notices but i'll just give you an exam they really mean that the danger as an example there was an actual election in liberia and the election liberia was contested as you know when there was a problem where the results would be recognized or not i've sent to president bush

one of our members of our level panel of mediation that's was there in the day talking to the two candidates to make sure that they would accept the results and that there would not be a disturbance as we have seen in many other parts of the if there was a problem to go to the courts and whatever we are now doing the same in mediation to go the african union and. we ever done the same in. this critically in sierra leone and which means there are lots of achieve that we i mean the a to get the present moment doing our best to avoid a dramatic battle for the city of all day to recognize that this valley layering know what is difficult and the reason is very simple volitions is the world became clear i remember the cold war i remember a uni polar world now the world is kind of chaotic it's moving hopefully into a multi-polar world and i'm a strong defender of the idea that the world should be organized in a multi-polar way but today we have a chaotic world in put it to be impunity is the name of the game you see lots of

vectors i mean how many armies are there now fighting inside syria for example it's very difficult to mediate in these circumstances but. i wonder is and more to make prevention. but i already have priorities to evidencing to the rest of the cause of conflict to create the conditions for communities not to create the level of tension that leads them to conflict but you are absolutely right we are far from being set. because these well know use of the sequel to all the complex worlds where we have a multiplicity of actors in the multiplicity of spoilers creating a vulcan so many ideas with the enormous suffering of the people well secretary general let us take a very short break now we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned.

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this challenge of diminishing american presence both in financial terms and some would say moral terms and i assume that led you to rely more on other actors on other players hasn't worked out did other house other players that the bag game in in the lives of american. diminishing. support of this of the multiple that won't so i think independently of what to do knights each state's. we need to be able to promote circumstances in which a multiplicity of vectors are more and more relevant here within the area least i think to say is that you see more and more countries being active in the context of united nations and that is very much welcome from me independently of the position of united nations the united states i mean fortunately into a large united states of english and to the key financial commitments of the un maintain their position there are as i said as you said some areas are all areas

where the u.s. has left but in addition to the central aspect the u.s. has maintained its independently of that it's important to have a multiplayer city effect and it is that equilibrium that's a loss for us to be more impartial and body sectors given how important the united states still as both to their funding and their running off africa are going to say and i'm sure as secretary general you're had to run through several contingency plans i wonder in your planning whether you see this change posture of the united states as something temporary that may change to or at let's say six years down the line or is it a permanent change i think it's important to recognize first of all that we have been able to maintain with us a working relationship the best of that nikki haley has been extremely constructive in addressing the difficulties that we face are real and if the latest statement. sounds are talking about three nations michael are talking about solutions with the secretariat and the solution of the problems of the of course you're right there's

of their own political positions on many issues i'm not talking about that talk about the constructive relationship with the secretary it i think we have managed to have a constructive relationship and we want to keep it but as i said we we need to have the wolves and the united nations in which many actors the next together creating an environment of impartiality and equilibrium where the world or the united nations or whatever only dependent on one or two countries is not a good saying well i know you have long argued. the u.s. has disengagement from global affairs and i wonder if disengagement is the right word because from my point of view it's not that the trumpet ministration is not engaging i think it is engaging in very unorthodox ways for example take north korea we've just witnessed the first ever historic meeting between the two halves of state but it came after you know essentially tittering on the brink of a war if you are very seasoned diplomat what do you think about this kind of approach to diplomacy well let's be honest. what's going to be one of the most

important success stories. come. conflict situation so we can criticize when we can criticize but i must say that recent summits took place in singapore use a remarkable achievement and i congratulate to tell me that's that had the courage to do it in circumstances that were complex of course there were lots of. episodes before but even during these episodes i remember very well the. view of the six countries i thought all of them to know that is the six party talks with the aim of the six i've sent to my end the secretary general on political affairs at the time jeffrey feltman to pyongyang exactly with your objective to try to prepare the conditions for these kind of the a lot to be possible which means if given at the heat of the conflict it was possible with the agreement of all for the wind to play a role trying to create the conditions to bring people together that's all well i

don't know if hero heard that but mr trump also suggested that if you can apply this kind of personal diplomacy to russia for example ask president putin to get out of syria or ukraine and i don't know about here i would be a little bit nervous about where that conversation can leave and i want to ask you what do you actually think about the current state of the u.s. russian relations given the presence the very massive presence of may. vary is the president putin recently and i said to both the same namely. into the situation with all the release of the in syria my belief that i have said this already to the interests of russia and united states in the middle east. and that's in my opinion it's extremely important for the future of the middle east that the two countries come together and have a common strategy and that. i mean it is always easy and i understand that from the point of view of the me that it's much better if you have big fights but from the point of view of the world it's very important that countries are able to come

together to overcome their divisions and to understand that their common interests especially in these world where terrorism became so dangerous their common interests are more important than the difference is that he said that russian and american common interests in syria overlap somehow and there are grave doubts and grave concerns in this city of that the united states may be moving towards creating some sort of partition in syria. i'm sure you heard john bolton the and national security advisor to mr advocating the creation of the so-called sunni which with comprise certain parts of syria and iraq what do you think about this idea even if it has a chance to bring ideas that have you had the opportunity to talk both with the americans and russians on this issue and one scene that i believe you will use to preserve the territorial integrity of syria and other countries in the region to to try not to do some kind of new psych speak will in my opinion because we side move now there are certain issues that are absolutely central to the u.n.

a legacy one of them is the palestinian territories it was the united nations after all which ratified the partition of the palestine which allowed for the creation of israel alongside an arab state the promise that was never granted and i think that is now actively sabotage do you think the palestinians still have a reasonable hope of seeing their own state and when it be more moral more honest to tell them you guys go and build your life somewhere else. no i don't think does it that is acceptable i am a strong supporter of the two state solution i don't think there is a. there is a plan b. i seem to abandon it is not realistic because to abandon it was to condemn territory to a kind of confrontation in which the the consequences would be. look at what happened recently in gaza let's not make sure that's make sure that these doesn't this does

this become the situation in the whole head yet the two state solution might still be possible if we overcome the present divisions to abandon that idea in my opinion is a huge response and i don't seeing that i. can see there's that the two state solution should be abandoned. american. solution i am not sure about anybody i'm sure about what i believe i am a strong believer that the two state solution is essential because a one state solution would mean what would mean that everybody would have. war i don't think it's possible to be maintained never has its own though nothing is eternal in the world and i believe our role is not to maintain said too small in which people suffer and in which the risks for peace and security are there at any moment i think our role is to overcome these states of squaw and to create a stable peaceful solution where two peoples are able to live together in respect

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