to sit down and talk. i cannot says a template exists was that you did editions as he would need united nations but also somewhere somehow i needed those sorts of communication of two forces which. working pallet so you are right now talking about putting down the barriers of mistrust in libya but those barriers are were actually put up way before you and for the reasons that are beyond you what makes you think that an outsider can bring them down. their knowledge of the country and i knows of course. since my first time to libya was and then sixteen that. and bed also so he spect was a tradition and is always a completely leaves and. going to one.

while all institutions are fighting where all countries affecting over libya why not giving really begin to proceed to have to exist as a voice and to jointly express what they would like to do is a home country he's my aim is not to make peace east to p. eight. the fundamentals to create. for. peace this is what i'm trying to say what kind of effort do you have to make to actually bring these people together in the same room bust testes always some big word yes he said he went but it's essential what they have done fully by for example is a following. a tie to look i dumped a five. is a general scope of politically. two extremes of the scope and i thought i found bishop was aids and very close to.

their feet and a large ability of belhaj was formed it was thought but to fight it has got to fit him since he is the age of seventy so yeah and those are the two weeks or so as is the one who uses it will never talk to have because. one accusing the other of. the worst things and. so i put them together how how by convincing them that their meeting will be not to discuss . the past and what these long but to see what they have in common. what do you want for in common what won't of course versions as far as the v.a.'s go. is concerned and the knowing. where they don't like you and it

happens. of course you accept me. on people or as a people of a photo else how can you meet can you see. can you see sunday but homes that meeting. ziad agree on very simple principle about the future of libya. is a visa to should be one country should be a civilian government should be an army will respond to civilian government so this should be an independent judiciary because this is something that's what i'm saying like this is something that international diplomats have been trying to do forever and you're just saying you know i convinced both sides that they shouldn't talk about the past just talk about the future and a common goal of libya this is a very simple straightforward formula that other diplomats use as well i still don't understand how it works out when you come in a dozen one other diplomats to you must have a key that others don't know what is that key thing they ever keep the one they

have a pass to meant to give them some kind of guarantees would do so of course not so there's no guarantee you could have given checks ahead at the beginning or they could have left the shows are after five minutes no problem is. once you have once you are not an institution when you are not a government. your voice is your voice it belongs to you and if this trust in your voice sent people accept to do seems they would not accept was a situation we believe it will if this is a difference are we to meet with palin diplomacy and endure fishel diplomacy. the office of diplomacy is one line everybody talks or same way it mean nobody can have that individual opinion they have to express what is it. the others or is it as early for that me i am not bound to that i can i can have i can do what i want when

i want and people believe after close me. just one example in south africa i stopped dialogues between white and black by an exchange of prisoners here in london sixteen people five countries involved five country and first. place in. muslim baek it happened very smoothly everything went right not one document was sent there is not a paper. which has been sacked everybody rife with prison this was a plain stupid but back to back of the prisoners everybody believe that it should be issued alive at that time and be part of that that. not one people and that was involving millions country like hans. south africa

now maybe a mozambique. so i wonder if it always goes down so i had a friend an american friend who was working at the fall of apartheid in south africa just like you and he was telling me you know every time he's in the conflict resolution as well and he was how we know every time i go for a new job i have this feeling that i know what to do i know how to fix it i know it better and after three years of being there he was like you just fall into this state where you understand you don't know anything and you probably will never understand anything do you ever get that feeling when you go to a new conflict to a new country where you feel like i know it i'm going to do this and then you're on the ground and you trying to do your job trying trying trying and then at the end of the day you like i just don't understand anything and probably never will you interview about success. so it's good they had some success. but they also

figure i had big figure i pod. so of course i am. my success but why is to give a chance to to the to peace to give a chance to peace doesn't mean that you get on that you will bring peace but at least you give a chance to achieve peace this is what i'm going to tell you to do with no guarantees that i will succeed so i am much more courageous and much more ambitious than if i am seeking ways and i'm going to succeed or not she's not my issue i am not sinking what are the chance what does a statistic one thousand really does for me to succeed and not interested i just say shall i do i have enough elements in my hands to try to

bring peace. do i have elements here. are my going to put them aside not doing what they want no of course not i go for it this is their s. like danger at any point in your line of work where you feel like sense of superiority here i am white man from the land of perspired in peace i come to you paris squabbling our solve your pain because i know that or does it ever get that feeling because it's dangerous there's a there's a fine line when you have so much power and trust. in your hands and you can make the process as movies can get that sense you can yeah sure i don't you don't have i am very as i don't. sure of what i'm doing that i am as i am present. tense i don't know the world in the english i'm sorry as i doubt about what i am doing just

a feeling of superiority that can never. because if i doubt that means that they don't have a sense of superiority. and i never go resistance of. people knows that you know we are dealing with men we do mean we human and sometimes we have to put the size of paper in the document and. z. explain the. whole explain this. to to get. also a human side in the piece because everybody one. of the people who i was. the most worried to be the most were a cock there somewhere somehow was hoping for peace and want peace. i think maybe something given worst and sense of security that a lot of big powers get while they're going in conflicts ignorance because right

now we see a lot of politicians. they don't have the understanding of the region when they actually act in that region they don't know the complexity of the fragility of the places that they affect for instance i remember president obama saying that not lack of planning in libya was probably one of the biggest mistakes of his presidency just recently norway admitted having no idea what they were doing when they send their claims to bomb libya and we see that happening actually a lot where does this i'm a tour approach come from i mean should they elected leaders be sent to some mandatory job or have political lessons about the world because this happens all the time. you know when you when you start to do something and it's valid for government or individuals don't try to don't. seem twice before you. even need to bad and you replace it by the worse and this

is unfortunately what's happened more and more in the us you you you want to check to take off take of the bad but you replace it by something worse at the bad you have taking off and for me of course how can you avoid that you avoid it by. i think or see asians z.z.z. . because when when you leave a conflict by keating and there's a conflict when you when you you you you solve a solution by kidding another of if you can you fail but when you deal. with it when. you see it see as a that's a bad deal he wants to build a future together then you are avoiding. a place to go from bad to worse mr olivier we're going to take a short break right now while we come back we'll continue talking about harold the

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and we're back with yet expert in peril diplomacy and the chairman of the foundation and i remember you expressing your opinion in the early times of the syrian conflict escalation you were about wrote about wars of good versus evil. that was you right when you said that you know that you've said that this is led by us and they can no longer force on everyone because balance of power is shifting so i always think of why does the united states still go over and over again for the same strategy of fighting the black and white good versus evil wars when it has brought all his lee so much misery to the world and to themselves in the first place why. question you're a true diplomat. to me. why should.

i have already no i. will worse yes. we have to be very worried. that you we by taking something badly placings by subsidy given us and this story as prove that some of the actions taken by this one those. have been the placing something bad as something event with us. we leave that the twentieth century and. those mistakes because while as you said about president obama they were not planning after what do we do after how out and for me i am taking this after as a very fundamental bass. after has to be a consideration is it easily cost addition they can be exchange of opinion it can be democracy at last i'm not talking about western democracy or eastern democracy

or specific little possibility of the ability of the people to decide of their own future and that can only be done. before they considerations here and that is real so you just mentioned earlier in the into that peril the promise in official diplomacy it's pyro because they go without crossing pass so that means that you're not part of the system right official system there that this stablish meanwhile when you do your job as a diplomat and a lot of your success stories in the african period they were tied to to how they were tied to shock so you kind of are in the system or are you completely not part of the system. after certain moments it's time for the system to take over. that's for sure i am as i said i am not here to make peace i am here to facilitate peace who is going to make

peace izzie a situation because you need to take the agreement it's one which i am not thinkable to to take so yes after certain moment there is let's say if. some people accept it some countries accept it there is a like of communication and. a takeover by country of two brings everything to lose if in the finality when i did so because i feel that which led to the independence of namibia and for the first time as a cuban and the american were sitting at the same table always are together with the south africans younger than it was i have the political as been signed. it was taken by the un and there was a big show. in the un for the signing of the agreement i was not even invited i want to invent in the body invited me when they all know that i was initiated this

because this time at a certain moment of the official take over and they don't pretend that i can replace what is off the show of course not i am not here to the place anybody i am not here to to do. to i am here to help to assist not to replace did the official diplomats listen to your advice as an outsider or do they really try to shut you down because it's competition then we have to go back to the human nature i have extolled the need for friends with our diplomats and zander said what i do and prove what it. of course. they belong to. myself probably not but then again it's not white and black it's i have very good friends we have diplomats they had. and they have no problem with them because it is really allies and i bring some

seeing. of the progress but of course it is situation we don't like me maybe they don't like successes so has have your political convictions or i don't know moral convictions ever get in the way of doing the job as a imperil diplomacy for instance this guy i cannot talk to that want to talk to or whatever you feel personally is always irrelevant if you have to make peace and make people reconcile. there is not one person in the planet i would have a few sort of course never one. criminal it can be i would like if he is a lady to talk about peace i will talk to him of course in the beginning of the interview set that i bring fighting sides to one table because there is trust you know they trust me and they trust that you know if they come together it's

going to be for the better of the common cause does this always work how do you make people who are not willing to reconcile change their mind or this is only work when they actually do want to negotiate it inside you see this is a tactic between records. when i did i did the first conference which is in may in that car which is called now that i won because hopefully we are going to have a dugout to. i did invite older people so i didn't know who are the people but i have done. i went to bishop's alley i went to do that village and i said please convince your friends to come to the conference so exam. i've been convincing their fans to come to the conference so i was not exposed as a person the test was. jump jumping from one person to the other but at the

end of this way also because if i would have been the one who would be traveling with my leg age and going to to see the people i want to invade to convince maybe i would not have succeeded because it dawned on me and ever saw me they who were his white man in the new libyan conflict as you say. but if a amusing somebody was done by said. that's a different push this is something which is you don't very briefly when i started to be interested in africa i had a chance i was very young i was twenty i was me i was invited for dinner by a very fantastic man we were president of. the what he calls. me and he invites reserve of our lunch and he was listening to me and i was interested in going to told him what i want to do with africa an hour into the africa i was there and there's the end of the dinner he said you are interested was

a fake i am going to give you only one advice only one never enter an african village if you are not accompanied by somebody who is known by the village. and they have apply. all my life. beginning is never given by myself is given by somebody who has a test of a person. and it works so i realize that there are no guarantees of any kind of anything when you get two people when you get people in the same room that have been killing each other for such a long time so it's a big deal that they sit down but what is the success rate usually those people who have been feuding for so long ok they're in the same room what is the success rate after they start talking have you i'm sure you've. already there

in your personal theory i don't i don't count ok but let me tell you something is where the dialogue is a most essential thing because that means that even if accepted to meet. it has been a patient it was a meeting is not is not. no idea what they're going to discuss your bed so indeed a cli indeed a cli is a dialogue has been established between them probably most of the most of the time for me so. they don't. have before the meat. evaluated appreciative. that it was going to be very detail very sour and they would leave but i never experienced . a moment where i put two parties together and no one is left never explained that

they might not and. it did happen in the car one when after a missile. i mean delegates. accepted to be on the plane that charter i've been that guy but when this all was going to be their homes i said no we cannot sit there with the same people in the left so. the. ways that. i never experimented but do you know like gestures words that are it already like signal to you that there's going to be a deal here do you feel yes dance or are this like jason looks like stages in these when you're intervene. you know you're not. he manes as long as it is not. beginning or slight of conflict your positions then yes you have to intervene and calm down and tell people that geez what do you

mean this is what the. generals that they maybe you you can match and. you feel it you in the negotiation you you feel it's a time. you use you should. intervene yes would you work on a complicated conflict like syria and if not then what would you advice people to do that no i would never work on the conflict because unfortunately syria is going to be young people of syria of syria. i still believe that in libya yes not yet live and where it goes beyond the people of libya. beyond the people of syria people of syria who doesn't count i mean. it is so what will be my role to do do do do have syrian government.

u.s. government and. i don't have the keys and. i cannot and that is a given i don't i'm not following well good luck in the cases that you are involved in and sure they're going to be successful like most of the cases you have undertaken think you're much but this is thank you very much it's been a pleasure it was been a pleasure for me to. tell to imagine decades after the war a nazi doctor was still active rich in the nineteen seventies crittle had as the

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