you know if they're being forced to report on this they're being forced to give you a number they're going to give you a number that they think is reasonable and i don't think one life is reasonable at all and mean in any case according to the united states constitution we should be giving people fair and free trials in front of juries and we're sitting there just demolishing an entire nation or britain's exporting arms of course but sharing intelligence with the united states for the targeting of these drones. given perhaps what you are saying is an outlier if well should britain be sharing intelligence well i mean this is where such secret compartmentalised information kind of gets needs to be brought to the table because this is where people who should be men and take responsibility for their own action and if britain is giving intelligence for the consummation of these people's lives then yes they're held responsible for it there's no question about it they've they've they've participated to it and so if britain is going to do something then they need to

restore their honor then they need to fess up to it on the other hand as our report that britain which it's denying that they are in links to the development all fully automated drones you might have to describe doesn't what that what they are the u.k. i should say has no intent says it has no intention of developing them and does not possess any fully autonomous weapons and that's a troubling trouble one because the hardware had already been put in to the drones when i entered even in the software had not been developed and now we're eighteen or twelve years later and we're looking at how they were already in the process of developing it look how much our technology has gone so we have artificial intelligence is algorithms that know it's better than god or santa claus and it wouldn't surprise me if these technologies are being used over in yemen and even tested on people. civilians and why do we want to give autonomy to any of this

right why would we want to give any of that to be out of human beings hands. it but it blows my mind i was at a geneva convention actually. and they were they were placing drones in the town and it's warfare loosely under cluster miss cluster munitions and land mines and i'm the only non lawyer there and the guy who opens the thing is like we must discuss what law means he can't discuss what law means when lives are at the state and this is one thing that i pay officer told me once he said you know i always stand up no matter what rank they are because a stupid decision is a stupid decision it's a stupid decision and and the reason why i used and up to them is because lives are at stake lives are at stake lives are at stake and i really definitely think that none of these politicians or people who are developing these technologies understand that lives are at stake they're just they're just sucking off the blood

money well the government of the military might say it would also provide more accurate targeting and it's good either way that i go there are a problem it's not the accuracy that they're worried about because the accuracy like if we're going to look at just the imagery that is produced online most people it's an illusion it's fake i think most people are fascinated by kim kardashian and trump's hair and they're just fake it's just fake right the real myths of the situation is that they want to develop this technology because robot isn't going to hesitate a robot isn't going to have feelings a robot isn't going to sit there and wonder how what this person's life is like they've already tried to develop human beings into that position they've studied studies that since world war one they've increased the probability of someone shooting and killing someone from twenty percent to ninety five percent fire and kill rate with a five percent margin of error and we wonder why there's twenty two veterans day

they kill themselves and then we punish the people that are speaking out against this we have julius son she's trapped in the ecuadorian embassy for holding truth to power. and he's just asking questions he's saying look this is what these guys are doing why isn't anyone stopping them and they're punishing they've taken my son there they've put zero zero whistleblower in jail someone who is dedicated to serving her country reality winner is in jail for showing that there were interference with our elections and no one's doing anything about this here in the u.k. professor michael clarke of the u.k. parliamentary drones group says the u.k. military personnel could be prosecuted for complicity in u.s. drone strikes but if we forget for a minute the complicity and of course all the all the deaths because of drone strikes what about the mental health impact on those that do the killing or facilitate it so this is this is something that i have spent a lot of time researching into because you know as i as i realized it specially since you know more than one third of the deaths that were can we participate in

it's like so i read this story afterwards my my my therapist actually gave me the story where in the bombing of dresden. you know the pilots were just pushing the bombs out of the back of the aircraft and afterwards they just thought they were hitting targets right and afterwards they were shown pictures of the destruction and the people that and lives that they were affected and many of them were committed afterwards that had flown mission and she said you know and i've read victor frankel's man's search for meaning at one point in you know it's all about we do cause a lot of destruction and what we should realise in this is the harm that it's caused to us is because we're separating from the intrinsic value of humanity we're not looking even like this interview we're doing it over skype great technology is wonderful but most likely the better connections between people are you know beyond

voice and image or in person and if we're taking the. the very sacred act of taking another person's life in battle if were to if were destroying that ability to look or opponent in the eyes and saying you are worthy of my blade or worthy of meeting death and i'm worthy of meeting her as well on this battlefield and only one or neither of us are going to survive we're taking that from these people and it's only a matter of time before it just. backfires well i understand you were given an envelope and i got out it was in an envelope it was in the distance what happened was i. i knew that we had participated we had a database and. i had read my final e.p. are getting out and there was a number of associated with actually there's a number associated with all these things and i killed thirteen people i know it i

mark myself with it i understand it. but i didn't understand again the amount of devastation that comes with it and i thought that my in my participation it would only been like a couple hundred but it ended at the. one thousand six hundred and twenty six individuals named. and the jewels and seven hundred forty eight i valued individuals so that's over two thousand four hundred people that had been personally that we we've tracked personally to be eliminated through this raid and so i can only imagine that people's lives to. you know i hunted down and where i locky who was in a mom he was killed by the americans and with his son the u.s. is correct his son at durham on our locky was killed two weeks later and they

killed him because they didn't want him to be a. a rally point for cause and about six months after his death i met my father for the first time on easter and. he's a very much a religious man and very very passionate about god and i could only see his mirror in and want to lucky especially since my little brother at the time was sixteen year old sixteen years old and i saw no difference between them and then what it's all if i had for me was when i was when i held my son. after. he was a year old now i was looking at him and i was i held him in my arms and i know that i've denied that. from another man and from the other families i have talked to a woman who asked me personally she asked why did my brother and my husband have to

die and i've shared in her sorrow and her grief and and you know those are the things that motivate us to continue speaking you know those deep. personal interactions are what causes us to talk against the people that are in charge that they don't they don't understand that they haven't they haven't looked at this stuff this tragedy or suffering in the face in trying to mend it. and you know this is where mr rogers we have this guy named mr rogers in the united states and he has this quote about always finding the helpers and my grandfather was a helper he was a minister and i want to be a helper and you know we have people like stanley who just died and we honor the heroes that he's created by living as those heroes would expect us to live right we know we are inspired by those things and part of the reason we have so much mental

health problems not only in the military of twenty two veterans a day that are reported killing themselves from all this of these conflicts if more than one third of the civilians in yemen are being destroyed or more than. civilians if it's closer to ninety percent imagine many more veterans when they realize the tragedy of what they participated in like how they feel about themselves in why they're killing themselves it's it's it's a tragedy all around rhonda brunt thank you and we'll hear from unicef on the ground in yemen a target of u.s. u.k. back to high tech weaponry after the break as well as this we tried we tried to we tried everything. and now i feel it's necessary to take to the streets and disrupt today's culmination of two weeks of protests across the british capital which have seen police advising people to drive along and u.k. pm theresa may again accuses jeremy called with of not reading the m.p.'s. to have

going on the ground. u.s. veterans who come back from war often tell the same stories. were going after the people who were killing civilians they were not interested in the wellbeing of their own soldiers either they're already several generations of them so i just got this memo from the circular defense office says we're got to act and destroy the government and seven countries in five years americans pay for the wars with them money others with their lives if we were willing to go into harm's way and willing to risk being killed for a war surely we can risk some discomfort for uneasiness

for. politicians to do something to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. for something i want to. have to go right to the press this is what i'm up for three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters of our. last question. they're bred for a single purpose. they have a superman. they start training very young. eight months of intensive school. rats. and they save lives.

welcome back the u.s. u.k. back war in yemen is arguably being one of the leading causes of what is now one of the worst humanitarian crisis in history with eighty five thousand children dead from famine ago. into report from save the children fourteen million further risk for a defacto british backed saudi that war well i'm now joined via skype from sanaa by unicef's resident representative in yemen. thanks so much for coming on the show hopefully you in the only boy martin griffiths meeting with the who the community in the summer result in a cease fire i hope so because hey the thing that the children of yemen can wait for much longer eleven million of them are already in dire need of humanitarian assistance and as you have seen in the media recently more than four hundred thousand children are suffering from severe acute month dition so this country needs peace now does the latest save the children they say conservative estimates

of eighty five thousand children under the age of five dead since twenty fifteen does that sound reasonable as far as unicef thinks. well we know that they're under five mortality in the country is fifty six thousand children thirty year dying of preventable causes those are children and the fight many of them can die obviously from month to month edition related courses. and it's on the media appearing to be a dying of natural causes this is natural causes this famine not we mention preventable causes preventable causes like new morning like diarrhea like lack of full of lack of nutrients too sharp preventable causes children that are you know action preventable diseases so they're not natural causes their money maybe just that very clearly and while the children getting food supplies the magnitude of the

crisis is so enormous that despite everything that the u.n. aid to says are doing the families they don't have any more income they don't have any more food they are not jewish the civil servants have not been paid in more than two years there is no more people are working in every culture she dishes catastrophic. the economy crisis is increasing the prices of the very basic goods such as fuel and food so you can imagine that families don't have any more money anymore to even buy the very basics you see the saudis say that you don't need to import food via the data which is why they can the poor can be bombed with british warplanes and british weaponry because there are other ports to import food from well the main forty in the country so they that everyone knows that eighty percent of the humanity that in the system is coming from the the so use essential that the port keeps functioning is open not only for food but also for fuel and feel is translated into what the water is just leading to life if you will it's not coming

to the to the country from what they actually feel what the facilities we not be walking and quartered are we. in the media i get my viewing every time unicef or other agencies talk about all of this. bombing creases on the border today that our release for the partition the conflict a seat in the table to take more of the time because the children of yemen are dying so it is that the moment right now for the bucket in the concrete then all those that are supporting those parties to please find a solution to this conflict and negotiate that treatment could the people on the on the table and agree and on moving forward because the children can not wait any more. do you do congratulate the british government in giving lots of aid to yemen what even while it supports selling the bombs and warplanes we sang all day all day countries that are contributing to the today do the hugh money diary and crisis

scene in yemeni dump shal see the funding that they are providing to the human body and response and if the u.n. doesn't make a breakthrough with their own boy wasn't griffiths well we need peace so if he keeps not to they need to be to morrow because the urgency of the country and the hard to explain you that the urgency is there that many more children are going to die if peace does not take place in the camps even find agreement is not reached at all right ana thank you well protests in london this week have been about u.k. weapon sales for the war in yemen they have been about the end of the earth scotland yard issued a warning not to drive into the capital so severe have been the destruction from grassroots protests environmental campaigners extinction rebellion brought parts of central london to a standstill this morning the group wants the government to treat climate change and species extinction as a crisis fossil fuel economy is leading us towards not just the distinction of

animal species we're losing about two hundred day with the possible extinction of human life on this planet and in that circumstance the possibility we have to do everything in our power to stop it young people old people people just part about climate change. i think specially young people because they're going to be around to see the consequences section is something like literally consenting who are wealthy and we need to do something about it at the moment people are just trying to get about their day to day lives you know and destruct and. that's not that's not benefiting no don't believe in climate. change and i think these protests it's not a hundred percent justified some people are angry others are supportive and very one young woman said we make a very happy i'm. the russian bio delayed me a little bit by a group of them so voices there from this week's extinction rebellion joining me now is someone who has been arrested for drugs this year for environmental projects clarify okla thanks for coming on the show what's the key inspiration behind what

today's call with a shot of these protests of the police mean that people should we driving into the capital well obviously we had a big celebration last summer last weekend and taking those bridges and celebrating in love the idea of today's protest is that we come together in grief this is very serious situation. i think that the extinction of all of life on earth deserves a solemn response to so that's the approach we're taking so i was being arrested four times for going to change it was i was taking part in nonviolent direct action civil disobedience with a group of people we were doing that to try and bring attention actually to the air pollution crisis in london which we all know is preaching legal limits and has done from with a decade ten thousand a year yeah and forty thousand nationwide it's the world health organization believes it's one of the greatest threats to human life currently on the face of the planet. it was something that we did with great dedication and

certainty that we meant what we were saying and we did it at a time when there was that open consultation on pollution with city council government in london so we took a protest to his office repeatedly committed acts of disobedience to try to raise awareness about that situation and to get a meeting with him it's nice to have a labor man it would be nice to have a greener labor we actually got a meeting with his policy advisers but not with him personally so you could say it's a partial partial success and that from you were longest regulars of i went on hunger strike as well this summer that was over the expansion of peter or paul that was a campaign that was directed to the day by party which we understood was the pivotal party. in whether or not the vote would go through fourteen days ok well forty thousand dead nationwide she said for a map of asia but the police are the more broadly or rather than drawing attention

to a global average do you have bring access to emergency vehicles or do you make about well we can do is apologize for the inconvenience that's being caused by these actions and again i don't think that any of us take it lightly that we're disrupting people's lives that we're making things difficult for anybody on the emergency services no i would like to add that we gave the police four days notice that we were going to block those bridges they were bridges that routinely blocked for other events we left mones open and the understanding that that would help them in terms of safety you personally kind of helped the whole demonstration you design ideas jackets probably not just for safety just about well we i thought from working sustainable fashion and lecturing on the topic for a long time so we decided that i mean there's a huge problem in waste textiles waste clothing in general in this country and we decided that because i know

a lot of high visibility clothing gets thrown away to waste and a lot of it branded people want to get rid of it that we could repurpose that so the process of when i go into my private contractors yes as you work with a lot of the body politic what exactly is the so that's something i work on with a friend of mine project which we developed together to turn the body into a place for political messaging and expression so that you can be embody a message we're trying to courage people to serving embody positive resistance what about the dangers of security service infiltration because there's an ongoing investigation into surveillance of jerry corbett and greenpeace and other problem by rental activist groups i think these days people understand that they're potentially under constant surveillance anyway we've all got. a microphone in our pocket most of the day that apparently can be accessed remotely with the right equipment say so you know the idea behind working the way that we have with

extinction rebellion is organized everything above ground you might know that most of our events go up on facebook we hold public meetings there's very little that gets kept a secret so as far as i'm concerned and infiltration to this movement the only find out what they can find out already if you know criticism rather messaging some criticisms of the mainstream media that you are the activists from extinction of being responsible for graffiti yeah we have an option and often we use chalk spray which is a kind of pigment spray paint washes off very easily in fact if you spray it on to a window and then somebody enters the seeing to wipe that off we have had police walk towards them and say you're destroying evidence so please can you stop cleaning that window the point is to present something which is very soft which is disobedient enough to qualify as something that people might say that's illegal that's criminal damage but you but you open up a dialogue myspace when you make it something that actually it really isn't serious

serious criminal damage that the case with the energy department the bombing of energy yeah that spray paint was all chalk so it would have just washed off with a window cleaner sponge because that was of course about fracking i don't know whether you've kept up with this week there's been quite a lot of concern about nearby nuclear waste removal of the new christian road. what's your view of how the government is treating the whole fracking process up there i mean the government has sort of. gone are going to force tracking on to communities that said that they didn't want it they forced it through when the public didn't want it the council didn't want it and as an energy policy therefore start on to communities so i think obviously not only is that. morally. opposed. in a democratic country but it's also the emissions of methane that come out of

a fracking site that the poisoning of people's local water supplies the damage to water tables and the ground i mean it's you know there's so many reasons why fracking is not a good idea and roger was actually middle of. the quake's of all the money but yet of course they would like to say that. i don't believe them. like you. well u.k. labor leader jeremy colvin this week said environmental protection is critical in any brics it deal and his shadow chancellor john mcdonald says the queen could intervene to allow goldman to form a government if to resume fails to deal in westminster about how regal is to resume as well becoming corbyn leading in the u.k. opinion polls said as much of the role of bricks at secretary of state pm queues the prime minister is apparently heading off to brussels today but the new bracks it's extreme is another non travelling breaks it secretary who is apparently not going with her i wonder if the post is now over to the post is now an entirely ceremonial one. corbin then drew attention to another minister only just appointed

minister for northern ireland critical given may's dependence on else to party she offered a billion pounds to in return for this deal is a fight yeah it fails the prime minister's redlines fails labour's six tests. to impress the new ones trying to impress the new northern ireland minister and the new no the law minister who just hours before he was appointed said the deal is dead tourism a said goldman didn't read enough all he wants to do is to play party politics. these. days. paul calling kettle black into the minds of m.p.'s drazen may try to survive a story leader let the pm but she did resume transmission the right honorable gentleman is playing party politics he's opposing

a deal he hasn't read not read dead deal or not be and he is also took place as news came in about another suspected u.k. spy overseas this time on iran already university ph d. student matthew had his was arrested when he was leaving the u.a.e. how he completed his research into the impact of the arab spring on the u.a.e. foreign policy he had. been sentenced to life imprisonment for spying for the united kingdom a number of us will know the irony of a former m i six officer who works in the outer office of the rule of the j. fox i rule over the u.a.e. you seem to be referring to film a british soldier will tricks but then m i six does not comment on its former agents let alone those who serve tony blair perhaps a question for the u.a.e. maybe why it appears to be coping the us democrats trying to destroy donald trump employing form a u.k. spies given surrogate script and then exiled to live i think oh they certainly take on considerable personal risk but that's it for this show will be back on monday

when we investigate the future of everything and why it wasn't the russians or facebook that was to blame for breaks in the building you just by social media with your mother forty two years to the day of the release about mickey in the u.k. by the sex pistols. nobody could see coming that false confessions would be that profile in the small place before the conviction. had any interest a shoot out there what you'll see is threat promise threat promise threat lie a lie a lie the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind make the most comfortable make them want to get out and don't take no for an answer and don't accept their denials she said therefore we're all poor or very sad statement that i will be home by that time the next day there's a culture on accountability and police officers know that they can engage in

misconduct that has nothing to do with all the crime. you know like the e.k.g. for countries a ten year bond rate you look at that you say oh that country southie a country is not healthy well looks like health of the chinese economy based on the . their interest rates are better than america. and. young men who believe in them see. things as you know middle of the week. no easy a mile oh. please.

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