story turn of the borders should be permanent. distance with this question brings forward two problems first we are in the schengen european zone where there is freedom of movement so when isis was around there was a very strong terrorist threats against europe and notably our country in particular was bloodied by terrorist attacks isis planned to infiltrate by the muss of columbus' time immigration networks which destabilized the functioning of europe dormant networks to attack the states that were sending armed forces to fight in syria today a massive illegal immigration has created a political problem for europe germany is directly affected didn't stance of i'm glad merkel italy as well but surprisingly their new minister of the interior has decided to slam their borders shut it is true that we could occasionally close the borders for example for a weekend during those big international protests at the beginning national summits but right now there is insecurity linked to illegal immigration in the public

opinion even if it's not justified there's also the terrorism risk of course but there is above all a populist reflex that we can observe in hungary and italy among other countries. and it's been a year since france lifted a state of emergency imposed after the tax but as your interior minister says everything is fine t. believe that everything's ok now. do france's ferry march threatened like never before actually we participates in the syrian coalition but we also have a vast operation for establishing security in africa so we have a menace which comes from outside that's one threat and massive number of french citizens are in syria about two thousand with their families they are now in hiding because they know that we are waiting to prosecute them in france with some have been locked away in prison in syria during

a military campaign against isis. but isis is not defeated yet politically or socially it is maybe close to being defeated militarily but they still keep their tools and services they still have followers of these and so we don't know. why their propaganda on the internet through oh why do you think that now that i says almost defeat ate their internet propaganda is still as dangerous as before. yes yes of course because when you do something you have to have people know what you did. on the second thread i want to talk about that exists in france is a thread from the inside to flip it exists in our territory there are people who use this kind of internet communication that we're talking about to fulfill their need for respect for being useful we also have cases unfortunately linked with mental illness troubles and all that kind of stuff leaves us with low cost

terrorism and the potential for action it any time so we should not bring our guard down. but to go back to the question to saying there french surveillance services are doing fine without the state of emergency. yes in the sense that we also have a piano player and side service legislation since. we have new paths of action open for intelligence and we have the possibility to act now on the administrates of a level for instance arrests which are under legislative control of course are decided by the administrate of authority now we can search we can call outs we can expel we can put under house arrest i mean there are lots of tools for the prevention of radicalization we'll talk about this and more detail but i want to ask for the people because you said that the terrorist threat was still high in france should people just get used to live like this always watching not living in

a state of. readiness because this was never a problem friends before. so those who know never i mean we live in a country of freedom and this is why in the past the terrorists from the extreme left came to meet secretly in france france is a country of freedoms and this is due to its history we are a democratic country so today yes given the way in which the last terrorist attacks were programmed structured using european logistics we can say that there is a certain desire to change the way of life to change the society in france as an answer to that sarah forever and this is the risk of the stability. on one hand by the terrorist attacks themselves but also by the rise of rampant salafi is an every day life the issue of wearing head scarves in society in swimming pools join sports etc so today there is

a reflection that has to be made regarding the organisation of islam in france which is not in self a problem the minister of the interior is responsible for the questions of religious practices on national territory so this goes from the training of moms to talking about the muslim world to the concept of preaching. but the muslim world in itself is not a problem there is a minority that is problematic. well now i want to talk to you about different types of terrorism because you will see more and more the terror acts in the europe are increasingly committed it by a lone wolf. he committed only. exhilaration of course terror after it's our efficient against bigger guns ations but how do we deal with someone who is not attracted to a bigger organization. right in the so today it is necessary to make the distinction between and i said that at the mohamed merah trial that when the

methods right so before people would go to afghanistan they would stay there for a couple of years for theory and practical exercises and then come back to commit terror attacks in france the point now for the first time we have a type of terrorist on our hands someone who for example in fifteen days after having been radicalized within a family a neighborhood and environment risen a community who was training only thirteen days and we know the person who was giving the classes he was killed in a drone strike by americans much later he taught only operational commanders who went back to europe so fifteen days was something we had never seen before. and today the questions of the interior intelligence is posed like this which person out of one hundred people is capable of taking a terrorist action without having executed the i thought which is obviously

a punishable offense without having done any preparations for instance buying nitrogen songs and fertilizer which can be used for preparing explosives which can take off our attention the task is now. to probe the consciousness to find out who has an intention to commit a terrorist act in their head. and this is where we asked after the affair to legalize special operations which are particularly useful in the counterespionage like the internet surveillance email surveillance everything with regards to social networks and all that kind of stuff the problem is no longer only that of the police threat analysis must be much more refined it must bring together sociologists academics people from surveillance lawyers psychologists i

don't priests how can we prevent extreme radicalization working as a group we should france be operating some kind of advanced warning intelligence network outside the country that enables it to stay had of terror plans i saw actually israeli counterterrorist specialists and they all told me that having a good intelligence network in baghdad among the terrorists abroad is what saves most lives at the end of the day. you know we. both internal and external intelligence services benefits from a multilateral exchange base between the european intel bureaus we have national experts you. see sen the center on the situation. which permits us to make common analysis using the practical experiences of each country. then we have the bilateral exchange from service to service by country and finally we

have a friendly club of directors of the services where we discuss freely what should be done and what will happen. the role today the issue is are we able to spot etc on a european level really the answer is not yet it's going to see what i mean the americans were not able to do that either so today this and disobey sion because you need to anticipate thread into submission exists thanks to sharing and exchange of trust between people who are competent and professional who respect each other and who above all protect their human sources because in the intelligence services the key is human sources and operational intelligence as well like surveillance and it cannot come up with a solution to a problem if your human sources are compromised and this is the difficulty and the reason why exchanging information is so important so the quest for all education

a break right now when we have apple continued talking till now that this question in the former head of the french internal security bill. when the whole make this manufacture come sentenced to the public will. when the room in closest protect themselves. with the final

merry go round lifts only the one percent. with no middle of the room six moves. their breath for a single purpose. they have a superman. they start training very young. eight months of intensive school. rats. and they save lives. country has gone into a nihilistic fever that's why i think they've got it hit the road and get out the travelling across america to find what makes america the charlatans the genius says

this is the quintessential american hero this is it we've come a point from which alan would have done something we always are on the margins something. called the culture is really important because. we're starting last with is going to headed east into the swamp we're going into the belly of the beast i think i want to leave now doesn't get any more gondo the it may be completely different by the end of this. put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to present. something i wanted. to do i'd. like. to get.

a word about. the french internal security bureau. he said that we have yet to establish a profile of a terrorists and this is why americans and everyone who is facing this terrorist problem is trying different techniques and how to side against terrorism for instance for americans it's collecting data is this something that france could or would do because one hand you control people on the other hand it is a fine line. i perfectly understand your question and i will be very direct x. and one handy collect data you control people somehow but on the other hand it is

a fine line. so you collect intelligence. you collect intelligence to do what with it. it is like a library you use it when you need it so being threatened by terrorism and it is the number one threat for you would collect a lot of metadata like a comment on a global level but let's not kid ourselves you can or make us be an amish is a dominant part of all services. so besides dealing with terrorism we can collect a large amount of intelligence which will serve our country information economic competition military market. arms supply all that kind of thing among a multitude of others or we can outright bring an advantage to one company over another over its competitor. so this is where we must find the limits of the system

for terrorism yes it's allowed when but for other purposes data mining is an attack on the national sovereignty of each country you should be. seizing that collecting personal data is something that efficient in terms of fight against terrorism separate which is can be a thing if we use it in an intelligent way and if we for in the exact piece of the conversation that is necessary for us to prove an offense but really managing meta data implies collection me massa storage and above all software to go find the small needle that is in the haystack. so it is very delicate it is not simple. the technical side that's only one aspect of the fight against terrorism. human side is very important it is the one that is the most

relevant and the one that can have remarkable efficiency but what do you mean by the human side. the human side is recruiting informants from within terrorist organizations who will explain to you what's going on they have different motives of course but they are the best source because here at the heart of their conversation. if i'm not mistaken pan-european anti terror measures were lobbied by paris anyway called the attacks in france and belgium including a law that allows a broad collection of air passenger data and a wide sharing of age to identify suspicious patterns. so this is an old issue with this program it's called the passenger name record to date while fighting against terrorism it is good to anticipate and to know it's good to follow certain targets could be taking action so it's good to know where they are going

with who etc and how many terrorists have been caught thanks to this law so far. the were not able to do it before because we didn't have the tool we only found out later that they were going around certain countries and making connections after the fact right so i will explain today given that the pan-european decision about the data collection was not taken even though other countries have this plan in place when you take the blame you present your boarding pass at the council and you put it in the electronic terminal the plane leaves the flight attendant takes all the stubs in general the should correspond to the number of passengers and then the company will give these elements these this information to the police. and there the best injures are checked. but it is a bit late because the flight is a really in the middle of the atlantic and sometimes with patronymic names that are

not very well at densified it can create problems what we wanted was to have personal information at the reserve ation time one month before the flight ticket was paid for with whom the person is traveling this data would permit us to react and to say hold on this person is going to this country so we will call our brother service so that they take that into account because he surely has an important meeting in an area that is very important to us so this is what we wanted with the anticipation of the events and the follow up on the potentially problematic people so making this plan work across europe was always difficult because of the opposition from german politicians when spain so good splays as the head of the e.u. a country who paid a very high price with regards to terrorism especially military we made major

progress in obtaining more tools to fight against terrorism it was the spanish who obtained the european arrest warrant and common investigation teams meaning someone from spain can join a french team on a terrorist project or on surveillance or procedure a french judge can use a record of the spanish officer in their procedure this is the progress that was made. in europe not everyone has the same story with terrorism. all but certain countries have never been affected and will never be all the better for them but others paid a high price already and so the presidency of the e.u. changes prickles and there are moments when we explain what we need in our tool box which is not taken into account and we wait for the president. to change in hopes of getting this extra two will. prove what you've sat before the interview when talking about immigration that estonia will never be as concerned as france but for

anti-terrorism it's the same there are countries that are targeted more than others of course i understand that but at the end of the day the european union is a one hole so you need to fight that all together and called solidarity exactly it doesn't help fight terrorism while you have open borders like this so i'm wondering if it possible to elaborate a common plan of fighting against terrorism. of course yes on the level of the mindset. of the fight against terrorism relies on its will that i would qualify as classic surveillance from the intelligence services. intelligence and the lisbon treaty reminded us of the us raises the issue of the sort of each state what does this mean that there will never be european intelligence service or it will be empty or else the treaties

must be changed in that the main intelligence is based on bilateralism today this does not mean that we do not give operational or analytical information at a european level of course we do. we come together the club. they experience services they have that's who we try to bring forward all of this and intelligence service cannot give out its family jewels within the european palace so simply. you think that since this is such a major issue that it is time to change it treaties in the approach. the buzz rightly joyleen the structural and legal base of course. but you must also have european diplomats it actually next week to open because the problem is not

only a police problem it is also about security and diplomacy and also the evolution yes you have there must be stability and a common vision look at today's problems regarding illegal immigration there is no unanimity of visions however illegal immigrations is starting to destabilize political regimes in certain european countries but hungary italy or any other countries will be france's literate of course more so there is an impulse to changing the approach to the problem and that reflection is also far from unanimous between salvini and emanuel the current does not flow freely angela merkel had the lead on a european level today this problem of illegal immigration has blown a hole in her ship so these are subjects that are of course external common in

europe but which have a direct impact on the electro stability of each country so we will see how things will unfold what will. yeah apart from here of there's also america there is russia everyone is faced with this problem can all build a wall like mr trump now want but nevertheless when the washington moscow relationship was already in tatters sanctions were flung around and everything has a russian security intelligence services top brass went to the united states to meet with their american counterparts despite the personal sanctions so sure that eve need be to conflate the two sides can still benefit from talking to each other and. this is what i'm telling you that is on one hand it is in this city on the other hand we do not want to show it it is done in a fairly confidential way the intelligence services who are trusting the

intelligence services are actually. right after minister of foreign affairs you're kind of doing what the minister of foreign affairs couldn't do. but we work together with the ministry of foreign affairs which transmits all that said bits of information that are brought forth might be of concern to them and even better and it happened to me personally often when i went to see my foreign counterparts i would always go visit our ambassador in that country and transmit fresh analysis to the embassy so one diplomacy fails that's her secret service has come into play a very good especially useful when two countries no longer talk to you gary caldwell with the russians to. trust we have a good relationship on that ceteris part. friends as a lot of judgments who have historically requested political asylum here and we

also have people who within their community or q. so they can create problems and who we found at something terrorism acts in moscow and we were able to exchange. we were able to carry out procedures and through the international commissions we were able to help the russians saul's this type of problem. square seanie sink you very much for the century and good luck.

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