tv Documentary RT January 7, 2019 8:30pm-9:01pm EST
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so i'm going to move into the interrogation. i leave the role electra's that there for several minutes because i want you to get anxious. to think about the error of your way. and then i walked back and when i walked back in i'm going to have a big fix file with me. all kind of a person and i may have seen just like our surveillance video that might all be blank. but it's a show you that i have a strong investigation and i have all this evidence. so the first thing i tell you is. our investigation has proven that you're the one who committed this crime there is no doubt about it whatsoever we have the evidence that you did it there is nothing that you can say that will convince me otherwise all i want to know is why . could you confess to a crime that you did not commit. and interrogation technique used by the majority
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of police officers in the united states is causing controversy across the country. created in the sixty's by the private company john reed this method has gone on to influence most of the interrogation techniques taught in american police academies it involves nine different stages leading from confrontation to spoken confession to a final written confession this technique has allegedly compelled thousands of innocent people to confess to crimes that they did not commit interrogations should be conducted in a non supportive environment and want to get the person on to our territory away from his or her own surroundings the interrogation room should be quiet private free of any outside distractions or noises. so please. remember what. i don't know they tell these interrogators that you can tell whether someone is guilty by looking at them in this. into what they say that confirms their belief
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that the suspect is guilty and it is a recipe for disaster what are finally realized what had happened in that interrogation room it was like oh my god oh my we begin to move closer shortening the distance between the suspect and ourselves moving into their personal space is fulfilling their. need yes they are down for. the united states to be proud of the many failures of the criminal justice system nobody saw that coming nobody could see coming that false confessions would be that prevalent in this population of wrongful conviction accusing yourself of committing a crime seems unbelievable but recently an official study from the u.s. department of justice has revealed that almost a third of the exonerated people have confessed to a crime that they did not actually commit at the beginning of the interrogation
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investigator enters the room stands about three or four feet away from a suspect looking down on the suspect and in a very direct and unequivocal way accuses him or of committing the crime. and that's what happens when you're dealing with crooked cops. crooked people who don't care about other people's lives. they took an oath to help to save lives and fight for people and they did not do that and that in massachusetts case. they were comfortable it was satisfactory and they had a man and that's all they really wanted was the body. so they took us. from twenty one years and twelve days.
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ninety nine he says while his twenty three. fortune our way or direction i want to go out of life and everything. fun job was. kind of slow and and when. it's more of a seasonal type of thing. so i look to supplement my income a little bit and i made a bad bad decisions and also got out after the a bit with our contacts a little bit. some people myself for
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a day other. and. that's where i was at that time just trying to figure things out. at age forty three more months and has spent twenty one years of his life behind bars. in one nine hundred ninety six he's convicted of murder and sentenced to fifty years in prison at the time he's making a living by selling drugs in an apartment building in detroit. is accused of killing christina brown one of his young clients on the night of the nineteenth of january one nine hundred ninety six. however on the night of the murder lamar was. far from the scene of the crime.
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he was at home with his six year old daughter. or even remember waking up watching cartoons with my daughter saturday morning and she woke me up at night and i was like mom we're watching cartoons on the t.v. and i'm want to wear my daughter on a saturday morning and. that's like i want to. you know perhaps the last day i was out. that saturday morning lamar monson is the first to arrive at the scene he finds the apartment in a state of chaos and then he sees the young christina brown lying motionless on the floor on january twentieth one nine hundred ninety six lamar went for his afternoon shift to the apartment and he found the body of christina brown he knew her as crystal. he thought she was seventeen years old it was
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a young tall young woman who described herself as seventeen after she was twelve and she was another one of the dealers who dealt out of that apartment and what he found was this horrific bloody crime scene. were. she was in a state of needed medical attention and it's just horrific were you were she was a. she was waving at me and trying to say my name and i was told there. just hold on i want to get you know. i'm going to be long. and frantically on the run and banging on olive doors and that apartment for the call the police call him as the police came and lamar spoke to the police and the police immediately decided that he was there a suspect. and so on that day very day he was arrested at five we have
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a police report where the detective basically says on the same day of the killing we can close this case if we can just get our monson to confess. i got a phone call. telling me that my son had been arrested for killing a young lady. i know that could never never never be possible from the training that he had had from the time he was born into twenty two years when they took him away from me i was devastated i was. in i couldn't sleep i walked the floor wondering what had happened why it happened and where would they choose.
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kristina brown dies a few hours later in hospital. the officers of the detroit police force take more monson to the station and begin to question her. questions like she was my girlfriend and she was my girlfriend she's more like the little sister had a bunch of. me live in there i never lived there in the one lived there. just stuff like. questioning was core from witness to suspect. part of the interview process is you're supposed to use what recalls the behavioral analysis interview. and in that if you use these techniques it's like you know you're watching a person's body language or you're watching the way that they say something or the way that the answer your questions there's also
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a series of seventeen questions that each is that you can ask the person and you know based is that based on your answers on their answers and based on your observations you will be able to tell whether or not they're being deceptive or not they're guilty with over eighty percent accuracy. verify judgment i'm very it's like being a human lie detector test and the problem with that is really read itself the read people admit that is not based on any science whatsoever just based on their own observations the real science says it's baloney it doesn't work. and it when they've done experiments with it they pretty much show that the accuracy is like flipping a coin it's fifty fifty. the reader. interrogation technique makes its debut in the sixty's it is revolutionary for police stations.
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john reid a police officer from chicago proposes a new and less brutal approach to interrogation. i think john reid was a reformer in many ways you have to understand that when reid came to prominence. the method that was used widely throughout the united states was what's called the third degree police officers were feeding suspects into confessing to crimes that they did or didn't commit they were tuning them up they were using the rubber hose they were grilling them for hour after hour after hour and read to his credit. i knew that that was a way that was fraught with danger in that it might get false or unreliable confessions the problem is that he and reid in this day have
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never come to grips with the act that psychological interrogation tactics can also produce confessions. you know like the e.k.g. for countries is their ten year bond rate look at that you say oh that country southie that country is not healthy well looks like the health of the chinese economy based on that their interest rates are better than america. u.s. veterans who come back from war often until those same stories. were going after the people who were killing civilians they were not interested in the well being of their own soldiers i've been there already several generations of them so i just got this memo from the circular defense offices we're going to attack and destroy the government and seven countries in five years americans pay for the wars with
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them money others with lives if we were willing to go into harm's way and willing to risk being killed for a war surely we can risk some discomfort or uneasy no. one else seemed wrong. but. just don't call. me. yet to shape out these days to come. and engage from an equal betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.
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the first problem is they have this analysis by which they tell their trainees that you can tell when someone's lying by the tone in their voice or by their posture or whether they sit rigid in their chair or relaxed whether they look at you and give you i contact or look away or look down whether they fold their arms fold their legs look up look left look right you name it it's a cue and the retreat interrogator. has a whole list of body language behaviors and verbal behaviors of suspects says i don't know that's considered deceptive if the suspects says oh man it's swear to god i had nothing to do with this appeals to religiosity are considered deceptive behavior they leave their trainees to believe that they are
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lie detectors but they are human lie detector and once you make that judgment don't turn back move on to interrogation. when i first entered into the home said the vision you had a lot of officers that's what they were see and you did it you're cute are you who you know it was bombard me with that as i'm in a tara geisha. arcus him i was just all over the place just devastated by what i've seen what was going on and then to get here and now you're trying to suggest that i committed the crime. the more monson's interrogation continues through the night as the hours go by the questions progressively turn into accusation. sold rose she sold drugs for you. you killed her she was your girlfriend and all just creating
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a scenario that they wanted on despite what i was attempting to relate to far as what i'm. so i would go back and forth and back before from the interrogation lasted maybe. four hours because it. is a court issue you seldom will find a false confession taken in an hour seldom will you find that in two hours when you look at false confession cases twelve fifteen sixteen eighteen twenty outs to be broken then at some point the average person does what an average rational person does they conclude that i need to get out of this situation desperate they hate it here among comfortable i'm stressed and the more i deny it the more they call me a liar and i just can't get out this way so they're looking for a way out of
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a bad situation. and tired. confused and that's funny over which. taken to. one floor locker at the time and so i'm up there there's the world can't sleep k. rest. came believe was going on. and you just can't imagine i'm just a mind as described. the process of interrogation is designed to put people into. just that frame of mind make the most comfortable make them want to get out and don't take no for an answer don't accept their denials. now during most interrogations
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the suspect is not going to just sit there and listen to you while you develop your theme they're going to try to deny any involvement whatsoever but that should be expected many guilty people introduce their denials with permission phrases such as can i say one thing which is just listen to me but sir if i can only explain when the interrogator hears those phrases it's important to interject yourself and stop the person from continuing because if you let him talk they'll say the words i didn't do it and the more often a person says they didn't do it the more difficult it becomes for us to get a confession. if you look at any interrogation out there what you'll see is threat promise threat promise threat lie a lie a lie and it's back to back over and over and over and over and it's cutting the
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person off and like i said it's narrowing your options and giving you this perception that oh my god i am facing this guy knows things that i'm guilty he has all the evidence i know that is bogus these witnesses didn't see me but they're lying on me and he's telling me that the only way that i can get a break from this is by telling him what he wants to hear. there so stressed and they have to do with how long they've been there may have to do with the fact that it's late at night they've been accused and called a liar they've threatened promises of the maid whatever it is they get to a breaking point where they decide that it's in their best interest to confess at this moment it's in my. never interest to confess them to continue denial. lamar munson sees that he is about to be caught in
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a trap police detective joan going places a file on the table. the other brought to her office. and. she said she had a pile of files on the desk and she mentioned well you know this she was make a reference to those files being evidence begins here against me and i'm like. ok. i don't know what that is book i haven't done anything and i don't know why i'm down here and i want to go basically. what was inside of this fight. for anything. lamar monson tries to ignore her but american police officers have the right to lie to a suspect lying is a normal part of the process used to put suspects under pressure.
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i can lie to you about the evidence i can come i think i absolutely the courts allow me to live up to a point you know there's certain laws that are so outrageous that good not records are going to lead it but i can tell you all kinds of lies i can tell you that we have three or four we have four witnesses who say that they saw you take the money and you're going to cock oftentimes it will come in with a. file folder filled with papers doesn't matter what's in that file folder it could be take out menus from a restaurant ok and oftentimes there will be clipped on the top of that holder a d.v.d. ok and police officers will tell the suspect that there was a camera across the street that was filming the area where the crime occurred and
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that their images on the d.v.d. so there's technological evidence that police officers sometimes use other times they'll claim that they've had they found for your prints or blood evidence or d.n.a. evidence imagine a suspect in an interrogation and they're there for again some period of time that is uncomfortable and the police now are lying about the evidence that's suspect may we know full well that he didn't do anything wrong but he's starting to feel trapped and overwhelmed by this presentation of incriminating evidence thinking i didn't do this but they're claiming they've got evidence and whether this is. the setup for what i've got to find a better way out anybody who's been the victim of a high pressure sales tactics knows what this feels like anybody who says that they would never ever confess to a crime and they do. happen been under this sort of pressure.
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these tactics are relentless for lamar months some time seems to stand still the police detective offers him what appears to be a way out. if she was saying that she believed that i did do it and this she was willing to help me but i had to help her help me. so. again to give me a scenario. self-defense. she suggested or it probably helped my situation and then. she said if i would cooperate send a statement that i would be home by that time the next day. over a series of other techniques with the interrogator does he narrow down for the suspect. two choices two paths oath of them involve
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the suspect admitting their guilt but one paints the suspect as an evil person on a monster a cold blooded remorseless killer and the other one provides an excuse for the suspect for why they committed the crime maybe it was self defense maybe it was an impulsive act not a deliberate act not a premeditated act and over time you know with increasing pressure on the suspect. many suspects will accept the path of least resistance. and accept a less this explanation for why they can be taught to cry. during the theme we offer to the suspect psychological justification for the mission of the crime we don't legally justify it but we offer him
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a moral excuse that will minimize or justify in his own mind committing the crime and this should be done in a monologue format. it comes to the point where i'm doing this over and over and i start to see you getting to checked it and i get to the point where i think i need to come in with the final question my job my goal of the interrogation is to limit your options and to give you the at least a temporary perception that your only option is to confess to this crime. that's the best route for you to take. a. little process the words when we have a conversation we don't process literally what is said we process between the lines we process not what is said but what is implied when an interrogator says i think
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you're a good person i don't think you meant to do this i think it was an accident and by the way i would have done the same thing you're thinking oh this is no big deal i can confess and that's my easy way out here. and that's the point at which people confess. i was out of it and there. are just ready to whatever you want to me to do maybe disarm sinusoid it in my mind . turn me that he would be able to. the what's necessary to shorted out was innocent and i didn't commit this crime because i didn't commit the crime. on the third. of january one thousand nine hundred ninety six at six o two am after ten hours of interrogation detective a gorean obtains a single signature from lamar monson in this document he explains that he involuntarily stabbed kristina brown a detective going in was subsequently removed from the homicide unit and later
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terminated from the detroit police and the reason she was removed from the homicide unit was because she was accused of fabricating can trash the words tricking people into signing false confessions. desperate for a single purpose. of a suit the minute. they start training very young. they months of intensive school. reps. and they save lives.
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what politicians do. they put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. some want to be rich. to going to be pros it's like them before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters of. the ship. when i came back from iraq oh marijuana her was cocaine methamphetamine see anything that's altering trying to get us out. that bad mindset using a chemical that would be self medicating. i want to be drinking and drinking ino new not just killing myself but. the hollings don't drink to get drunk alcoholics drink to feel normal. that's why they call it's this way drug addicts do
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. a shot while still feeling their. star cool under which these guys are blowing through to it it just means to. need to be helped and pushed on by the v.a.'s r.'s drugs bill and stuff they need to be built. and they just really shouldn't be looked at like numbers they should be looked at like people if they go to a veteran center for health should be considered as someone who really needs attention . there.
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