all things considered i'm peter lavelle what is happening with trump's decision to leave syria and are you ready for the two thousand and twenty presidential sweepstakes also is there any integrity in the integrity and the issue to. some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark bowden he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dmitri bob h. he's a political analyst with international and in athens we have exclusive for him he is the director and writer for the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciated let me go to you first marc staying in syria or getting out of syria because if you listen to administration officials and specifically pinging about john bolton the national security adviser he's traveling in the middle east trying to convince the region that. the u.s.

really isn't leaving what's going on it was never very likely that the u.s. would be pulling its troops out of syria after you know everything that's happened in the last few years and now i think it's even less likely than before and the president john bolton i mean national security advisor john bolton has. seemingly. whether it's through argument or riding just riding around trump's announcement of a withdrawal a complete withdrawal of u.s. troops now has now announced that it is conditional and he's doing this trip but we've seen the goalposts move every single time let me go to let me get out and i know it's not john bolton that seems to be dictating the narrative here but we also have troubled relationship with the military brass here so this is a an interesting come. coxon abreu here the trump either cannot deal with or has

just accepted that he's not going to be able to make the decision we will leave syria i guess that's for his base so the status quo remains alex. well peter i mean trump ran on two very big election promises one was the wall and the other one was to get the u.s. out of all its military entangle bits approach specifically syria and syria a lot in two thousand and three in many tweets so he read on these things and if he doesn't fulfill these election promises he's going to be in big trouble in two thousand and twenty but what he's running up against peter is the permanent state the deep state call it what you will whether it's the generals whether it's lindsey graham john bolton mike popular or whether it's the mainstream media who is also urging trump making you know putting all their all their might and all their muscle it to try to convince the american public that trump is making

a bad decision by leaving syria and all of a sudden peter the narrative now is the kurtz no one was talking about the kurds for so many years but all of a sudden everyone is an expert on the kurds of what's going to happen to the kurds should trump get out of syria so that's the narrative now ok game a but i mean if you were to go to all alternative and i would say real media sorenson's the kurds are already talking to the government in damascus and i'm going with what works and and they're talking with the russians as well i mean there is an entire process to end this war but it seems my pump a you john bolton the mainstream media the deep state they want nothing of it. brought the problem is that the whole narrative of the mainstream media is collapsing because for years they have been saying that also there was a board cure you know of the kurds and they're a barrel bombs they're a warm you know they would like. to you know and know the kurdish militias in law.

the syrian army tumen beach on tuesday you know the russian military police came to him and be a steward to monitor their transfer of power there and the kind turks the nato allies who were prickly in the end i asked the fighters by the u.s. media and the european media back in two thousand the eleven two thousand and twelve let me remind you when the syrian anti-aircraft forces darrent fighter which at the syrian space in two thousand and twelve european press was seriously talking about a war on syria because syria is an aggressive against turkey you know i remember it well you well we're talking about this whole story with american troops leave in not leaving. the north east of syria i think the best equipment came from the american conservative. trump professors to believe in america first while kerry and the military brass believe in global leadership which implies among other

things got a gun too and plan to go and buy jets last network of bases suitably compliant ellis who provide markets for american arms and the willingness to fight where the long wars and of court so say goodbye to their nice story about immediately been the last to want war us the military there are military on the ground and they're a military alliance like mr made us another interesting transfiguration is how legace was a mad dog very dangerous you know kind big by drop now he's suddenly according to the liberal media and i say he's a saint he's a saint he he is a benign influence on trump he's someone who was limited in trams bad deeds the dogs in absolutely yes what a mad dog and even more i mean when we consider the media barrage of people that essentially have no idea what they're talking about but that doesn't. them.

exclusive or pointed out i don't most of these people have never uttered the word curd into the last week or so here but considering the barrage against this in the media public opinion narrowly is for it trump knows this this is his political instinct he has the right instinct on this he doesn't know he doesn't have the tools to get it done. first of all i think that too much can be made of the idea of this as some kind of trump campaign promise it's true he did campaign on this but it's also true that the vast majority of trump voters out there with perhaps some of our fans being the exception don't care about foreign policies didn't win him plaudits with the republican base if he had campaigned again on. invading syria with ground troops but most of his supporters probably would have gone with that as well so i don't think he will suffer much political damage if

we don't even know what is the damage of him saying we're getting out of syria when it doesn't happen what does that do he's reversed course so many campaign promises and policies at this point i think most of his true hardboard supporters will will will simply go we can always toss it like bolton is doing with the friends of israel defeat protecting the kurds getting our nato ally turkey not to promise promise not to attack the kurds or isis is totally and completely and forever defeated this is conditionality of the bolton has set out which can be fed to the republican base and which is essentially impossible if those are its conditionality designed specifically to ensure that the us never leaves out and that's the ultimate goal here let me go by. in athens i think there's

a cow to what mark just said here there is evidence that in the two thousand and sixteen election the message against nation building abroad about it could force the. exporting of democracy and i say that in quotations there is an element of trump space to it that anti-war anti empire is important to them and i think that's one of the reasons why trump keeps that in mind go ahead alex. yeah i mean you even see people like like warren and ted lew i believe also came out and these are some very unlikely voices that actually threw support behind trump for the syria decision which which was really out of the blue but the whole trip his predicament right now peter is that he is going up against and you said this many times he's going up against empire. and everything that's happened with trump it russia and the russia you know which at the hoax is nothing compared to what truss about to

face if he actually does push forward with trying to disengage the us from syria and scale back on american empire here i really think he's going to face a very very dangerous obstacle a very dangerous problem of possibly getting impeached yeah i agree with asked i agree with the forces empire is his big problem right now and if you couple that with the wall and if he doesn't get the wall approved and passed and built then he is going to really run into trouble in two thousand and twenty and i think the democrats and i think the rhinos and the permanent state and the mainstream media know this you know you know. the fact is it's not really about syria at all it's not about two thousand troops there they certainly haven't been. and using much effort to fight and destroy isis they say they're right next to each other ok so i almost like in peaceful coexistence here the real issue is here is that if you make

one withdrawal then there's a logic of well why don't we withdrawal from other places iraq afghanistan and this is something all of these the deep state the media. the political leadership in both parties that something they can't contemplate well i mean when the united states did not apologize to iraq when they did not apologize to any beer for the civil war there when it is now known to apologize and to syria these has very bad consequence the united states never makes conclusions from its own defeats i mean the defeat in syria is over this the united arab emirates are returning their ambition to damascus also it is going to assignment of the air of the presidency as they did you know that they were defeated instead of acknowledging you know. this is the problem with their. ideology that the united states and the you are ruled

right now it cannot it cannot at me defeats it can blacken a certain person like we lost to triumph because hillary clinton was bad or you know we almost lost the elections in france and germany because russia was spreading fake news but they will never say that after the away goal which was wrong at all plans for the lead and for syria when unsustainable they will never admit it and this is this is what is making future war spa civil and fortune last ten seconds they don't have to though because they don't have to win in syria they can simply that now a substantial win for the syrian government and russia destabilized chaotic syria as a spoiler and serves their purposes almost as well as a proxy islamic or say that if that's the case keep it a quagmire all right gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stayed with our.

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or form will converge. any interrogations out there what you'll see is promise threat promise threat lie a lie a lie the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind make the most culpable make them want to get out and don't take no for an answer don't accept there are no. she said therefore were poor or very sad to stay there i would be all about that the next day there's a culture on accountability that police officers know that they can engage in misconduct that has nothing to do with all their crimes. welcome back to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news.

ok let me go back to athens here alex this is the first time i'm going to mention the presidential sweepstakes of twenty twenty we've got two years ahead of us here we have elizabeth warren she's come thrown her had into the ring. joe biden is publicly considering it. up to maybe twenty other democrats here when i see happening over the next two years is a form of cannibalization and balkanization of the democratic party of sensually identity politics on acid and it's going to be a real ride what are your thoughts at this very very early point alex. well i think that elizabeth warren definitely like speer. so i don't think we're at. she has no understanding of social media she has no understanding how it's used i think she saw what. cortez did by using social media to really propellor self into the spotlight and in a very failed attempt to use instagram war it failed tremendously she has no chance

peter i think you're exactly right we don't have a front runner right now for the democrats i don't think biden can be trouble that the only person that could be trump at this moment is trump and it goes back to our first segment which is if he doesn't follow through on his campaign promises he is going to be in trouble at this moment in time the only person that understands how to use the media how to use social media and how to suck up the oxygen from the room is a. she may not she may not be right ninety nine percent of the things that she says but to the one percent of understanding the media and getting media attention from both the left and the right she understands that but obviously she is way too young to know her hat in the ring you know it seems to me the ideology of the liberal ideology in this in the identity politics issues really going to come very deep into this presidential campaign because joe biden so why guy ok and i probably have more indian blood than elizabeth warren on ok but this but we here in the rhetoric

coming out of diversity but at the same time there seems to be the democratic party will discriminate against certain people because of their outward appearance it's going to it's going to cave in on and it's going to do it this time around it's the program ultra liberal globalist i do a widget if only we replace one group of people by the other group of people privileged by the liberal so everything will be fine you know they now have four we mount running five top us defense companies which means buy in and said in weapon. hundreds of thousands of people around the world and this is a huge achievement for women according to the democrats right. now they can fly fly jet you know jet fighters and kenyan as many people as man you know second and this is again a huge achievement i don't think it's an achievement you know if american women had the same rights for for example child care like your baby to

a kindergarten as the women here in russia that will be a victory but their identity what it is not talking about child care their dog in a bog we meant defense companies rate power and when i heard joe biden as the candidate from the democrats this is a disaster this would be a disaster because he was the man who came to watch school in two thousand dan and said that the united states wouldn't like mr putin to return to the kremlin who the hell was he it will tell russians who we should look at a lot of time on their mind on also that he he was the main the main compete for my and for the disaster that forward in the united states he held for a call. in the most disastrous for us two years you know when thousands of people were killed in davos so this man is going to bring peace this man is going to have a sauber effect on american foreign policy that sounds like mad dog gone mad yes

the only adult in the room you know with donald trump. i haven't heard any democratic base calling for peace in fact i mean it's kind of flip they've become the other war party so i don't think that's a demand of democratic candidates i noticed that kirsten gillibrand sent out exploratory feelers and she's pulling her natural constituency meaning she is asking wall street executives if they're interested in backing a campaign if she ran it so that you know that i think it what is required for the democrats to win and i think she them and. that pretty clearly. i think. yes there will be a quite divisive and fractious democratic campaign we don't know if a primary campaign hillary clinton will come in again joe biden elizabeth warren and i'm sure there will be others i mean maybe even gillibrand but if we learned

anything from the last election that despite becoming public that hillary clinton and the democratic national committee conspired to rig the primary exactly they remarkably rallied then around hillary clinton with even the rigged victim himself bernie sanders and then coming around and you know backing hillary clinton has not let me go back to things alex and mark already mentioned bernie sanders here and we do have people in hillary clinton's orbit saying basically bernie sanders supporters should shut up and not how does bernie play into this early in the game . well i think if bernie didn't fold to hillary clinton and actually stood up for himself when he was robbed of the primary win then i think people could still see bernie sanders as going up it gets trump and i think bernie sanders would have a shot to defeat trump but at this point in time i think that a lot of millennial and a lot of the young people that did support bernie and

a lot of the progressives don't have the faith in bernie that they once had and i think that's the key point peter you have a large portion of the population that are real progressive that are really people that a lie to the left they don't have anybody speaking for them or speaking to them and so i think that's the void that bernie has left that's the void that no one is really filling and that's a very good point i want to switch gears here mark let's talk about what is called the integrity initiative please explain what it is because it's not it has not gotten a whole lot of media coverage a sensually how i read it and you can fill in the gaps here. r t sputnik we are accused of manufacturing and coordinating a propaganda program programs in agenda all through the west but this integrity initiative is exactly that against russia. this is the first of all it's described

as a charity or a angio non-governmental organization considering that it is funded and actively organized by british foreign office staff it's actually you might want to call it a god and go a government organized non-governmental organization and it's an oxymoron but just the name itself is quite you have a mystic it is essentially i rapid reaction online troll the network of their own troll network of many big names in not only british but you know but around the world of the most journalists academics think tankers whose mission is at the reaction of the british government to jump on issues to pile on and to put up certain narratives information dissin from ation into the media

sphere targeting not russians ok but their own people and citizens across european countries that you have admitted you believe in your theory that that is a form of meddling in the internal affairs of other countries they see it's necessary because of the threat presented by russia and china as confucius networks because if there's one thing that is a real threat to the citizens of the west other than florida a good water it's learning about confucius. you know my point is that we are accused of being the purveyors of propaganda but this organisation is integrity initiative that is their whole mission. well somehow the hackers who basically exposed some of the documents or the integrity initiative founded by they instituted for state craft and one other mother found us here and there by the british and funded by the british government and inspiring british politicians yeah so one of these documents is about someone named victor my data from this institute

for state craft proposing a series of measures study and russia included mass expulsion of diplomats back in two thousand and fifteen here all that letter and surprise surprise in two thousand and eighteen von hundred more than one hundred russian diplomats were expelled from the u.k. from the us from other western countries because of the screen affair ok well these leaked documents give the impression that the this initiative was forming the narrative around the script of the wall and before this creep of affair there were a quarter of us over this kind of reaction against russia that fall and again you know we will be having such things until we're forget remember all there all of the noise around their american embassy in cuba have been at there that the devices are very very sorry is the only weapons now it turns out that these were actually

insects cricket series of our creek it's making major insults and and no one is paying attention it's ok you know we forgot it probably the american diplomats will return probably they will have a mosquito net against them you know and in the same way it may turn out that when we actually find out the truth about this creep our fair about it being a problem provocation from the u.k. or from some other western intelligence services you know we would not know it until a small article in the times of london way by the way you know these people were poisoned by us ok. i'm really glad the dealer brought up the cricket story because this this whole integrity initiative has been received a century with crickets and western media surprise surprise. what is reporting you know when it all but peter i think that may point is that all roads go back to the u.k. whether you're talking about the steel dossier whether you're talking about steven

halper or the professor miss suits doing a chemical attack in the london. to have tech chemical attack papadopoulos in a rented pub these guys had a had a man from from the u.k. a twenty year old guy from london working in the bernie sanders campaign how does that happen how does this guy from the u.k. from integrity initiative end up in iowa to work for the bernie sanders campaign let's not forget they smeared jill stein as well so i mean this is this is an incredible story that no one is reporting on the last twenty seconds but yeah i'm i evidently according to the integrity you're in there i am a kremlin troll and they've located that i post directly out of the kremlin itself they're really good at that they recommend that you've never been there i've never made it on a tour but if they'd like to write me a letter of recommendation that they think i should be pows thing out of the criminal longside putin i bunch appreciate it ok he commits all the time we have

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