i think challenge by the ministry of defense alex recently met up with him and that's it for now i'm delighted to be joined by chris michael any chris welcome to our exam and she will pleasure to be here tell us a bit about the case silence and one say quite complicated mohan you're trying to establish a point of principle with them already you know this isn't the fault you know that i've been involved in the us and i think for quite a long time the one who knew anything about that then oversaw the became quite a big place i sure but in essence has quite some poor as a belief in scottish and the pendants something an employee of the colors of spin them in with the other u.k. government as something this discriminate against someone someone because you believe school should be an independent country and that's a decision one illiberal in the above call this is great which is very substantial oppress and scott and as you rightly say the first time that people interest new case when you want an employment tribunal was employing tribunals

a problem and he didn't determine whether my belief in scorching the pins was something that i could claim that it discrimination against to take it out through employment tribunals and what the judge said was it was a kin to a having a face for a code of blue that was unfortunately really if you present it in some of the media because it really must the the electoral academic points can to at all just believe or philosophical belief and it's not philosophical belief but it was a case that was making and some from the clear as important to me yourself and hundreds of photos of people with all your course go on that it's more about the political opinion of what you would do in an independent school and what policies you would pursue but for your role as a nation to be free for freedom alone and that is a belief of go on offense a belief that many people of course go and all this is you know let's look at us from their modise point of view i mean you know they're charged with the defense of the country in a new they're going to be trying to as they would see it break up so i'm entitled to say well but worried about this mark of any guy because he said. dresser not for

the essential unity of the united kingdom that would be a fair point of course of the me that from day one but on security clearance for over twelve years over a decade before our had the t.v. clearance and take a commendation from the second sea world when they were tired of the for it to use of the fence elvis volume of them fame of the meet up in the one but you can't just wait ten years twelve years down the lane someone stands for elected office with the same peter the term over sudden that because you believe in scorching the pennsy the next m.p. member it was a cue to us that i think that that's an important point as well because there are only the photos of people that work for the civil service and then a can of them and during the last referendum a lot of those people were too scared to put their head above the party because of a scale that sort of behavior that would perhaps see the untenable e-mails and through government departments warning people how you should vote and that's the political point of us there be as well as the new person that this is just protect me or people believe in the pen's that believes people believe in any sort of politically fillip people believe in membership it can tell you members of the it

can do all of course people like me that believe in scorching the pains and should be protected from the scummy nation in the what police and it shouldn't be ok to discriminate against someone just because of place and has not been said before but one of a notable unionist journalists in scotland said famously that the b.b.c. is campaigning against scottish independence and quite right too the former head of the treasury it was reputed to have said that this independence referendum is not like a general election a magistrate really should be defending her majesty the things of the time couldn't somebody from the m.o.d.e. say the same thing surely the would be is there to defend the country above said they would need to see if the people who come from jamaica the council of unknowns forces in the seat people from canada or and there are still we have people that come from the the commonwealth call is a conserve that's very the and her majesty's armed forces we need to lose people the less acute it because eleven and the. when the nations are good knowledge

doesn't stop and there are lots of motley needs of the world of the thank you from the defense committee that believe in scottish independence and just because you believe in scorching the pins doesn't meet your security because we would still be a member then the pens we can campaign for in two thousand and fourteen with of sin as part of our home where family at the scene is a member of nato so of lots are secure if they are from the security services have some real questions to answer then the rest will cause the queen as head of state which is after all her majesty's treasury and her majesty's armed forces sometimes the top brass don't seem to remember that or to understand that but nonetheless about the political angle to this bill where people say well. mark i was a was a candidate for the dept the leadership of the s.n.p. is a member of the s.n.p. national executive a group leader who said peter victory council on you making just a bit of a publicity political battle wagon of this case will burn in the us for starting in two thousand and sixteen when i was standing in the election for the and i wanted

to make political capital look at the made the political capital in the us is so much more important than politics and often only look in the. people that's moment they mean a funk across many people's lives the faina moments and i think that's as of the thing in a moment of the choice can a the the say tail of all monies can die on my feet and i'm still going to stand them up on two feet and stand up to the kenyan government for modesty's minister of defense and basically says only acceptable to the scum in against me because i believe in scottish independence and it's on that we discovered that against anyone who comes after me because they too believe in scores on the payments so you won your first round but the ammo deal the government are appealing against are going to challenge the ruling in your favor where does the case go from here of course the people at the session but the senate committee with the exact political process because they don't want to actually get to the arguments of why i was discovering it against because it effectively. many of the things count when this case they can

only lose if they don't meet the one the informant tried the new buy out in the it was just a mistake that they gave me security clearance for over a decade or they lose that case by basically been proven in the employment tribunal discriminated against because my belief in school is independent and often is well known if three years and people start eleven would have a case often that would start with detailing the menace of the fence to get out to get the government opposed would so that can go and move on from the us so you're a message to them or to yours or daughter maddow or marco area nothing think i'm doing a poll g. we have a security servant. i mean i'm just a little concerned and have the security services commitment or ask me questions of the glasgow rangers football club the thought of the and id some name the thought that the patient which is not of here as well because we've got lots of servicemen and women and out of it men over should watch out that a few years ago the face to lose and security clearance was sort of messages to

send it when the stay in asia if you don't win the war speak about your mental health should keep it quiet because from the middle of your door for her majesty's security service the thought they are both an awful lot was all just a smokescreen for the fact that i was a member of this n.p. i was stunned for definitely do this n.p. and i believe in scottish independence and the proofs in the prison because after you have been suspended i was reinstated post no case then so so someone at some point to say that i was to be suspended because of a start of a deputy to this m.p. on the police and the pendants and these are a lot fox i think we come over the employment tribunal so if you are a simple message for the high he didn't send their m.o. deep what would it be chris thank you michoud discount because often we can hate them the transparency of an open employment tribunal they're going to have to apologize for the way they treated me or the going off to apologize the security service in this country for potus and i'm pretty sure the most well known to the law thought so i think it. apologize for to me for the way i was treated what was

so support of you had crossed the political spectrum of the people from the other parties have said well you've got a good point of principle there because you know as for the interest of the last support from the from the trade union movement people who vocally campaigned against bush in the pendants and for overall because they see this case on its merits and of course it's all except discriminate against someone because they believe the scottish independence and the think that to sum up a lot of people say it with a move the clean up the need to get their act together people from unison people from you may be quite vocal on twelve speak the sunday newspapers about as well so last week deflation that people despite people try see their support people from across the political spectrum can easily see that as a political lesson someone standing up for the legal rights of illegal employment rate should tell you when to go to a tribe you know entailment you can go a walk without fear of discrimination and you know this business of taking on the might of the ammo deal must be

a costly affair how you managing to fund the progression of court case some very expensive process to bring on legal representation and has been quite stressful set up in the lead in to be doing all the ins and outs so you'd be representing yourself. represent myself in a while not this as myself but going forward obviously as opens up in the film point try you know i think it's clear that he called professional representation because as a fairly cds case and it's not just a bit means of the place and this will say for people to come and i think it's really important that he get that representation soon as possible ok i can go over your very big ten euro employment tribunal against a moody but i can present it with alex are very quick from appearing on the show as a prize in a self. thank you we asked anybody to send a representative to come onto the field to speak to us about the case or provide us with a statement but here yet to hear back from them. join us after the break when it's back to the sea at least back to backs it was the bad.

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welcome back things have been heated both inside and i say parliament this week as members of turn after the festive request just seventeen days to go until christmas set to leave the european union. well you know left over here you. know your first it was well known precious little you really should you shall get to make sure your first underwear on the c.d.'s and that was the only sound that you found no matter what your facts are right now we don't know what the speaker john bercow said that's what happened to n.p.r.'s soupy was intolerable and he confirmed you threatened to police commissioner christa take about attacks on m.p.'s a large number of m.p.'s have also signed a letter calling for police action over a piece of protest just outside parliament and things weren't too happy inside the house either the foreign secretary said the prime minister has not been asking for anything new in her discussions with the european union she didn't tell us so

doesn't that tell us that the prime minister's been wrecked to see wasting talling holding the country to ransom with a threat of no jail in a desperate attempt to blackmail m.p.'s to vote for the hopelessly unpopular jailed . minister but the actual gentleman can say what he likes about no deal but he opposes any deal that the government is negotiating with you ok he opposes the deal . this is the deal that the e.u. say is the only deal and that leaves me with no deal the only way to avoid no deal is to vote for the deal alex spoke to s.n.p. m.p. sisco bright stephen unless medical dr lisa kamen and e.u. m.p. for stein furred. they said if i could come to you first. so the samee hopes. the men spies in the festivities members of parliament will change. of your

position indeed and we. know we're not just fallen. over the christmas break to speak to business to speak to local constituency concerned jobs and livelihoods the local economy on the any task and so there's been absolutely no change of heart. attacks i mean it doesn't just. state and listening people. as prime minister has brought more that she might persuade to do you need to resume the fool relationship thing in the people over the whole it is certainly not. over the. in the mince pies are more palatable. but much more but no change whatsoever i think the terminology that party leader here used over the last week's meeting with the may was two very specific words he

used the words poisonous and toxic and i think those words tell you where we are in relation to the withdrawal agreement i know you were walking through the lobbies on the conference of supply and we are we were. at the same time i think there seems to be almost universal there and i keep seeing them you know. yeah yeah yeah yeah. i see them do you not realize that this is not going to work but we think you will not want to not and a million years to get really. where you're going after this question. dominated politics and discussion debate in the in the house of parliament before people outside politics. streams that staunchly i'm too european do you be. oh utopian s.m.p. common cause against the prime minister's agreement. i can only speak for.

speak for the party but as far as we're concerned nothing has changed there were still very clearly has the as the as the. we can everyone i spoke to last week and next week and every time i speak to anyone by home as a secure israel. that makes for north america as this is a step too far and i think you can't ignore it there are. conservative m.p.'s who think this so why we as a party are very clear but we're still. conservative base and i suspect proffit be a few more maybe a hundred thirty maybe there are forty who also think that and they stop a step too far and i was there for next tuesday let's get the water for the do you piece of the back story is a show stopper. for me next week. i

mean i faint. because i am a respectful person to everyone in politics i try to be anyway and i'm the prime minister but technically i failed to achieve a person that i could i respect for but. i have little confidence in her to deliver something that removes a backstop because of. agreement is over it's a common with the prime minister have a case and saying to the s.n.p. look you may not fight in my deal passed a lot better than. no deal with toll business some of the s.n.p. in the scene the prime minister's office second best of what you really want i think people in my constituency were certainly not. they want to put the evil to far that was actually to remain in the year it was overwhelming in my constituency

it was overwhelming in every constituency across scotland i have to reflect their views parliament just creating in. constitutional denial as a psychologist because this is not going anywhere it doesn't meet the demands or breaks tears is certainly doesn't meet the demands of people who want a strong single market and customs union engagement such as our party and it's a deal. in thames of even the brics tiers when when i speak to them to find out their perspective see stops meant to be there is an insurance policy but it's actually leaving people more vulnerable in the u.k. so can you negotiate as an insurance policy that leaves people more vulnerable that's just crazy so that's the breaks the tears perspective i'm looking very much . the jobs livelihoods and the constituents wishes that i say i'm not sure we choose them is deal for our shore so i can possibly be a juggler with seems to be

a. little universe that the government. where the deal is. told that to get anything like the number. and i think they're even seeing this morning from what i've looked time perhaps you know a second time or third time in parliament so that doesn't seem to me like confidence and it doesn't seem to me like the deal that anyone's going to sit and i think for has to happen is that parliament looks at all of the options and tries to fight. parliament is going to start to control the control has definitely been lost by the government. what do you think will. talk to the. and some conversation over the last few days has been very very interesting i get the impression that. the prime minister when

she loses all agreement next tuesday will then go back to europe cap on new conference with new strength of new courage asking the e.u. to take a look at how i was the only going through what can you give me to help me we're going to have a. we all know that the following groundhog day grown cold day where she goes over to europe she has bought with no no real concessions and goes back. to and from what i suspect from the until to the end of march and between times. labor party will probably try to push for i understand and you probably know this that there's going to be a no confidence motion off the ritual that probably next wednesday or do you feel decided that for the bench i would think well that what we did after we got the session before that i think it would be probably fair to say that we would probably support government or not we will not support i don't call this motion but for the

labor party. because we have accomplished and supply arrangement on a bill which we will offer even though we have a very clear difference of opinion on on a was to all agreement a very different here a difference of opinion on the buck stops i gently said before simply said to the m.p.'s of m.p.'s to the what's to the junior ministers and to the senior ministers that would take away the worst of all agreements and we can lead with what you. know that's their goal to achieve can they get the three only time will tell sometimes i think as a push to get to the d.-day tushy get to the twenty ninth of march perhaps maybe the reality will solve there through the minds of those in the e.u. in their public about it and they might say you know some were better to have some sort of updated let's get out they could be a last minute one in the eternal optimist i hope it will be. i'm sure i was almost suggesting a million almost like a zombie government to get

a majority for this deal but there's no majority of office what do you think will happen. i think the plan from government is to go back and forth to be used to try to shoot more concessions and get more palatable for the conservatives and the d.d.p. to vote through whether that's likely it doesn't seem to me that that's going to be the case there is this institutional denial that i think has spread across the park to people become more and changed their positions parliament i think you will see start to take greater control in terms of that we any potential deal is defined or any potential deal should not be defined and of parliament can't come together for a solution on the no confidence vote fails then the option really is to go to the people to have a people's second referendum to ask people what do you actually want to see and deletions of rex but we've heard

a lot this week that. the house of commons the temperature is rising over a few experienced any difficulty with. difficulty that you've experienced. been very aware for spin happening and i think it's extremely serious i know on the run up to actually the first thought in relation to leaving that you experienced a death threat in relation to that so i know people's feelings run high and it's something that i think we have to be very cautious and to make sure we are always respectful and i think not important jim's made that across parts of the fights we are respectful that we find common ground as well as obviously i'm sticking by our principles you know in the way that we should as parliamentarians thoughts one of the issues we need to make sure that parliaments just. if it doesn't over spell. the people of the place to be conflict.

rising temperatures and difficulty of politics have you experienced any difficulty as well read about this week. so therefore microsecond i think i reflect. the majority. so therefore. that i'm getting what i always keep. whatsoever and i'm not sure that they. are what you might think. on the. two but set although not to it that is a partly no no the question perhaps and it's deal of no deal the westminster parliament desired a shakespearean tragedy or a game show it's a question of take your pick or perhaps that resembles a soap opera of a plot that never ever finishes. the prime minister's european deal is going down

next week everyone seems to know that except the prime minister so what then there's no locking the danger the spill european amendment passed in the house of commons yesterday that might force the government to come back following defeat within three days that is potentially more episodes of meaningful votes than coronation street. so these are made might reflect that sometimes it's not just about parliamentary numbers but about losing their thought of teeth to command parliament but what is more likely is the zombie government that is a government which cannot command the majority and it should appear in policy facing an opposition which cannot secure a majority to the government it would be a government of the living dead in office but not in power still alive but stumbling towards the never table device while the country how to the was the back seat cliff edge so what is the solution to this westminster conundrum parliament

should suspend article fifty stop the clock allow the time the space for the parliamentary consensus to be found and if that cannot be found then there must be a general election a referendum both to settle the issue once and for all of course for scotland it could be a quite different question and a very different answer and so from thousand me and all of us here at the show it's good bye for now.

desperate for a single purpose. they have a superman. they start training very young. eight months of intensive school. rats. and they save lives. the most important moments are when the principals the foreign minister or the president actually ask your opinion when that happens you are on your own and ya know i'm just into this to you actually. have to see what you

think. nobody could see coming that false confessions would be that prevalent in this population a prophet if you look at any interrogation out there what you'll see is threat promise threat promise threat lie a lie a lie the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind make the most comfortable make them want to get out and don't take no for an answer don't accept their denials she said to forward cooperate sani statement there i would be all about that the next day there's a culture of on accountability and police officers don't. that they can engage in misconduct that has nothing to do with all the cry.

when they came back from iraq oh marijuana her was cocaine methamphetamine so anything that's altering trying to get us out of. that bad mindset using the chemical that would be self medicated. i want to be drinking and drinking ino nuno just killing myself. alcoholics don't drink to get drunk alcoholics drink to feel normal. that's why alcoholics that's why a drug addicts do what they do a shot while still feeling their. star cool under which these guys are going through to it it just means to. need to be helped and not good pushed on by the v.a.'s are as drugs go and stuff they need to be built. and they just really shouldn't be looked at like numbers they should be looked at like people if they go to a veteran center for health issues be considered as someone who really needs attention

. at least it will. keep. out. the pentagon tonight allegations of u.s. allies abusing detainees in yemen saying there's no independent credible information claims were first made by journalists and human rights groups also ahead. of the.