doing a pretty good imitation of an iranian politician are going to continue in defacto imprisonment i mean as a means of iraq clever or perhaps she is just too disorientated by britain's former head of m i six and head of britain's armed forces writing to m.p.'s not to vote for the deal defeated on legal advice defeated on time table defeated on our finance bill and found in contempt of parliament itself some mainstream u.k. media claims the crises she faces are unprecedented in modern political history joining me now is the man who was lord chancellor under margaret thatcher and john major and who now holds the oldest surviving office of state in scotland lord mci. lord makai welcome to going underground to tell me about the last time you saw a government that could have these problems even putting a finance bill through parliament let alone heading for a defeat over legislation that took two years to prepare for i. don't recall during my time and nothing quite like that but of course we're in

a very special situation here worth seeking to break the vote of the people. lasted for a long time and in which we have become very integrated in the european union and therefore separating that dick here is a very difficult task and that's what the two years has been about and of course everybody has their own idea of what should happen i personally was a remainer vote with respect to democracy that requires us to pay attention to the vote which actually was taken but if you were an m.p. would you be voting for to resume his deal next tuesday well it's a very hypothetical question but i think it's a fairly good do much so really because obviously as previously the most senior law of fish will in this country. we're not surprised that resume had to be forced into publishing. the legal advice that is obviously cause does may have to this

well i don't want to i mean i don't think that was a very good idea but never mind but it's the legal advice that shows us that technically the border in ireland is up to the european union in perpetuity well that's not quite i mean what you have to remember is that the law attorney general said that the idea that it was in perpetuity was theoretical only and it wasn't a practical risk and that's my view it's not a practical risk at all because that's going to be divided from the rest of it by agreement and that proposed in the binding agreement which is the separation agreement and it also of course isn't the actual terms of the first protocol irish northern irish protocol but this is it's temporary then why did

teresa win a fight tooth and nail to keep that legal advice from being shown to m p's because lords of the people because it's a normal not to reveal legal advice which the government's got from the law officers that's been the tradition for a long enough. and there is a low officer is an advisor of the house of commons and therefore they could have asked him to come along and tell them what is advice was them but he is eternal general is the legal advisor to the house of commons and the house of commons could have asked him to come along and ask them any questions they wanted looking at the bigger picture ironically britain's first colony island should end up having a say over the british government. being in place by going to go weeks. as you know i had quite lovely experience of northern ireland when i was lord chancellor and i value very much the piece that's been read in northern ireland

and i want to do everything possible to see that it continues i mean what was it like being. chancellor back in those days it wasn't a very easy task as i said. in my speech on the subject in the lords there had been a killing near the border of judge. lord justice of appeal you had been shootin lord chief justice and one of the judges had their homes blown up the wife came in and she saw the shoes or shopping she came in there was a note saying good for you quickly or you'll be trouble and have blown up so asking somebody to be a judge which was part of my function was quite an onerous task in that situation you were a keeper of the queen's conscience who was to tell us what what that is. really

a way of describing the relationship which they would chance i had with the queen when i was lord chancellor and it was simply. indorsing really the principle of ministerial advice and my responsibility as a minister along with my colleagues was to ensure that the advice the prime minister got was in accordance with her oath it's because aside from whether to raise a measured still be living in downing street because of the assurances the queen has made about supply and golf and arranged with the d b some of the news you did in the scottish referendum there was a comment from the palace the queen said the scottish people should think very carefully on nothing. well and she. is the monarch of scotland. england and wales of northern ireland and

it was perfectly reasonable she should give that kind of warning to the scottish people because it was precious to her. it's through really but of course as equally as precious arguably is the prosperity and security of the united kingdom which is going to be impacted by breck's yes but that sir different thing altogether from her. written position has the sovereign of the united kingdom she is not the sovereign of europe and i don't think she has any aspirations to be. more so when. the a referendum went forward david cameron had an agreement a binding agreement with the use that we were no longer subject to the ever closer political union bone and therefore the only things that were left were the customs union and the single market and therefore i take it the referendum said that we

have are not to stay in the single market on the customs you well you have a president a very vivid memory of the troubles in when you were no child. what does it make you feel then when the d.p. is saying that the good friday agreement is threatened and she in favor well i don't i don't really see the written by the arrangements that parties of me has made and she's done a level best as i think anybody will recognize to deal with the situation so that there's not a hard border between. the republic of ireland and northern to the point that she delays crucial votes and even after a delay looks set to lose it well i don't know i'm not a prophet myself and maybe the more to not and just finally i mean working closely with margaret thatcher who after all brought us into must strict and into

closer union with the europe how do you think she would see the trays i'm a deal. well i think she was very keen on them to name trade with the european union but what margaret thatcher was very much against in my view was the closer political union and that's the agreement that mr cameron got there for a little for and i'm not saying that stream really important that we were no longer being obliged to take part in a closer union to really a political union which was look at moving towards the united states of europe that was mr such as point of view and there's one other thing since then we have the european army being talked about yes well these are all issues most of such or was it streamlined keen on doing nothing that was contrary to the law there was a lot of i was lord advocate before i was lord chancellor and so i was one of her

legal advisors on european matters and learn from her she was absolutely adamant that the people that wanted to not to pay although she had an obligation to pay not to peter just refused to pay it she wouldn't have a tall and yet she managed to get one of the most striking negotiation results that i have ever seen she was able to persuade people all of whom had a contrary interest to grant a rebate a lot of god bless fran thank you after the break the biggest trade union in britain unite on today's people's assembly demonstration beginning at b.b.c. headquarters for a general election now to put jeremy corbin in downing street and to raise him a explains what papers children of e.u. citizens currently in care homes will need after the end of march all this and more coming up in part two of going on the ground.

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or flick there's someone else living inside of me or controlling my body. the byproduct. because like some here. because. it's crazy. you know we don't have to do anything it's not our claims and all that. here's. a. welcome back and straight to u.k. really to jeremy corbyn finally addressing the arguably illegal deployment of u.k. troops on the ground in syria i also sure the whole house would join me in wishing a speedy recovery to the two british soldiers who were injured in syria last week

but why is he not addressing why u.k. troops are in syria is there a un security council mandate or any invitation of the syrian government or does corbin the head of a general election have to defend the actions personnel of the british army and how colvin got a clear answer from tourism a on the brics it the only way to avoid know is to vote for the deal if their eyes are on the gentleman is uncertain about what i am saying perhaps i can give him a tip he might like to use a. no immediate comment from the british deficit about why mental incapacity should require the assistance of a hearing aid go been ignored her using her crisis to transport secretary to illustrate government incompetence instead of backing industries in this country and protecting thousands of jobs in manufacturing and service industries the transport secretary is awarding millions of pounds of contracts to ferry companies with no ferries to run routes that don't exist and apparently won't even be ready

by the beginning of april i doubt this is the degree of incompetence of this government but the pm said the e. you is changing its mind even on islands legal boarders at the time this show was made there was little or nothing to confirm this from brussels nothing has been t.d. allies a month has passed and nothing has changed and as for the around four million the e.u. citizens currently trying to live their lives in britain pay up and show us your papers the fee of sixty five pounds to apply for states under the scheme is in line for that with the current cost of obtaining permanent residence documentation and it will contribute of course to the overall costs of the system but applications will be free of charge for those who hold pilot permanent residence documentation valid indefinitely and will remain and the children being looked after by a local authority yes britain in twenty nineteen a minority government leader in power because of an arguable billion pound bribe trying to get kudos for exempting european children in care in britain from

a mandatory fee in return for paper is little wonder that millions appear now to want a general election the early removal of tourism in the installation of the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement german corben as prime minister today a people's assembly against austerity demonstration beginning at b.b.c. headquarters in west london is protesting against what supporters say is a broken britain we went to the international transport workers federation of orders to speak to steve turner his national chair of people's assembly and this is general secretary of unite britain's largest trade union steve thanks very inviting us to the international transport federation union headquarters before we get to the march so i'm going to talk to you wearing your other hat at the largest trade union in the united kingdom unite your leader then mccluskey he's been on this show i understand in talks with the prime minister as a way tell us all about while what i can tell you these desperate people do

desperate things and of course there was a cold yes there was a cold not just a lame. but rather tried union leaders as well. to try on convince the trade union movement that there was a good deal for britain which goes it's not and permission to be mines on chimes will be encouraging employees to vote down a bad deal for britain on tuesday and i'm sure that it will bring about a down news bemuse the mainstream u.k. media seem to be in shock that is sitting prime minister should be able to even have a phone conversation with a representative of the largest trade union the country where in shock actually the phone call because unlike many european countries of course was a very good relationship between the trade union movement and its governments irrespective of the political makeup of those governments in britain of course we're not involved so we've never been invited to participate in discussions about the night the whole day by it's been an internal conservative power it's not even

been a parliamentary debate the only opportunity the parliament about to discuss bracks is now hence all the confusion and the frustration in parliament but you know this is a deal that satisfies the internal politics of the conservative party i know the people's assembly and you know it's been at the forefront of the struggle against purse to any weight crash austerity policies economic warfare some of your members talk about it. do you think this week the defacto to child policy not to where they got it from now this government appears to be being attenuated why have a march today when when poor people live longer force not to have children well that's not the case cause universal credit is just one attack on the working class and the universal credit is a failure in so many whys and should be stopped immediately not tinkered with as the government proposed to do it it's not that two children although that was out i

just said it's all right it's about so many things that universal credit has been discredited where it's been part of programs and it's force people into absolute destitution. there's evidence that people commit suicide so that's one issue and one measure of austerity that we've seen over the past ten years but a course of stare is incredibly deep it's a firewood ideological position that the government taken but it's not just ten years of austerity it's four years of neo liberalism and it crosses over political governments including government under the leadership tony blair coast where it was about the corporation as opposed to ceasar role and it was about shrinking the state and the role of the state and that's what the tories have really done since that are in the now and i is a morsel in the last day is a coast under this government and austerity politics is piled the economics of us there is filed i mean it's a nice declare the us there is over haven't declared the us there it was over the last oh we've got a conference but of course it's not if you go on housing it's like around the

office that we're going to die or yes trouble and then the country you find the impact of us they are everywhere whether that's in our health service whether that say in children's education whether it's in other public services that been decimated as a consequence of it or whether it's an attack trade union movement trying to defend working people whether that's working riots or whether that's a right they said by a pio whether that's even a guarantee we can in terms of work hours of work or zero hours contract that's been imposed on people you hear on the impact of us they were it across the bow in fronts and you name changes you'll enjoy yet as regards today's people's assembly much starting at the b.b.c. in london today you think that your people's assembly is going to electrify the country like the chelation one inference or french politics very different politics of those in the street movement in france is a different measure of activity than perhaps is the base trade decided the people's assembly is going to now or are it for b.

and i would put people on the straights particularly young people in a great demographic that isn't normally engaged in politics to be fair and well. in that buying and the deval now coast to die is for a general election and we're demanding a general election because the problems that confront britain right now the fears and concerns of ordinary people in britain the much deeper than just simply. the demand for a second. that might satisfy well not sure that will satisfy anybody actually but however that if it did come about and it would satisfy one group or another group whether or no it did anything to britain is a different question i don't necessarily believe they would i think you've got to deal with the issues. the fear the genuine fears and concerns that people have got and that because a general election. if you can to deal with a housing crisis if you can to deal with across this in education if you going to deal with across this in health if you going to deal with the need to create decent

. secure jobs you need a government to do that and that's the government you're old enough to remember the demonstrations against the right ideas with. their demonstrations never used to begin at the headquarters of the state when the broadcaster of this country the b.b.c. was today's was beginning of the b.b.c. we got some. years old but it is true to say that we deliberately chose the baby say because there has been a news blackout against protest and we've not been exempt from that of course national demonstrations get very little national coverage and the reality is we try to organize in acme to engage with people in their communities to follow what the impact of us ever that manifests itself locally but every now and again you do need to have a national demonstration national profile that brings people together in the press of course a very good nor national demonstrations is very difficult to ignore if it's parked out side your head office because emanuel lead role has conceded to the elevator

for tests on some. measures do you think. we're beginning to see that kind of ploy from the elite classes here as regards as you mention some concessions on universal credit and the history of the well for the history of class struggle is a history of concession by those that control power the n.h.s. when we first achieve the n.h.s. and i've always after the second world war of course was a concession from those in power and we've always believed that those concessions that won as the balance of pacifist ordinary people in society would at some point be challenge to guy and bought a role in classes when they believe that they were in a position of power to be able to wrench back control from ordinary people and i believe that four years in the liberalism is an opportunity for them to wrench back control but that's public services provided services to individuals whether that state pensions whether that's decent jobs and employment rights whether that's an

effective powerful tried union movement. or whatever indeed that's the national health service for education for the challenge that constantly challenge in and tackling what they believe to be concessions that have been granted people in previous decades and that's what i think we're seeing now is a constant struggle for working papers not walk in the park it's called a struggle for a reason she mainstream u.k. media narratives say that breaks it is a right wing policy do you think that leaving the european union would allow a labor government to renationalise bring back a democratic control railways energy telecoms airlines. because we would no longer be under the e.u. strictures that would prevent. that kind of what i think he does prevent i mean the state runs arising from toronto. and elsewhere what was controlled in many european countries the coasts of this i'll argument that we can't do it here is

a fallacy you explain for a lot of things appellation during the referendum in opposition now. remain inside the new reform but nobody's ever argued that european union was a wonderful organization in the interests of working class people but you're better off staying within it within with a clear. alternative economic and political strategy which i think labor has now developed under the leadership what have you called it that and you are trying to fire breaks from the outside that is it was the opposite of what tourney been germy coogan's mentor said yeah it does serve us well but there's an ideological it's not a lot weighing opposition necessarily to the opinion in the left was opposed to the european union coldly capitalist club tom as well and that politics is studied with us not true it's simply the ball at the one that we move in service in the opinion of their arguments on the left for leaving the european union i don't suppose arguments about it i personally notice my union sign on in europe but that does

that mean that there we go with wins on every different argument because he can win all the new deal because there is that left wing. policy basis and if there is what anybody wins there's not a veil i think the only consensus in parliament now is that they want it now do all it can't be and i would do and idea will be a disaster for all of us i think you know we represent six hundred thousand workers in manufacturing industries for instance my unit. is the largest group within the union a manufacturing would be devastated under a deal of somalia and that's something that we can't contemplate i think if they if there is a consensus in parliament it's not consensus on that eventually outcome of course although that will develop. but there is a consensus that you can't simply fall off a cliff on the twenty not from out so he is an issue and it's a law of course it's a live issue it's probably the most important issue in many people's minds the country's been confronted with for many a decade now but the reality for us is that what britain needs is change of

government it needs a new politics there's a new economy that works for all it needs a resolution to the housing costs it needs public services that support the vulnerable in these decent pensions we need jobs we need a strong effective tragedy movement and all of that is within the power of the u.k. government these are not european union issues we don't stop body european union from doing any of that we blame the european union for all of that of course and successive governments have done that which is why it was so difficult to turn that argument around june the referendum within a very short period of time doesn't matter what the makeup of the government it's always been applying for issues that in effect we're landing squarely at the feet of the u.k. cup and if you say you need a new government that's the point so that will always be a priority no if of course the tories not being well known for voting for their own demise of course we fused to back in our confidence and we feel used to go back to

the electorate in a general election then policy position inside library is very clear that all options on the table at that point include in the campaign for a second referendum or people about steve thank you that's over the show will be back on monday twenty four hours ahead of that breaks a vote to speak to one of the u.k.'s greatest geographers president the dorling about the view in the ashes of britain's empire until now and even the transfers will be you will see on monday eight years to the day u.s.-u.k. that dictator ben ali of tunisia that the salary you're up to self-immolation a moment because easy to spot uprisings against british back to takers across the arab world. us veterans who come back from war often tell the same stories. were going after the people who were killing civilians they were not interested in the wellbeing of their own soldiers either there already is several generations of them so i just

got this memo from the shirley branch offices we're going to attack and destroy the government in seven countries in five years americans pay for the wars with their money others with their lives if we were willing to go into harm's way and willing to risk being killed for a war surely we can risk some discomfort for an easy nurse for peace. well if you're always telling us all we can have everything at the same time we can have peace and democracy blah blah blah in a cost conflict situation i know war situation that's not true is that instead of telling people what you can't have everything and then failing to deliver on everything you are we should be fabric here and say ok you can have cheese like some kind of peace you can have some kind of democracy you can have some kind of justice in the short term but unfortunately we cannot feel everything at the same

time so someone has to make a choice. there is no provision on my part going to. your for your height or loss because buskers got the. resources. they need for your money a month on. but the pressure on us i don't mean that has been. showing us as you know part of us you're not. you know just i mean my most wanted i'm already but it was sped up out of me just got to go eat and eat i mean it was. just it up

as well i must say i mean really feels i just don't get it getting worse but those were the ost. of this but i was just. my body and we've got a bomb i just bought that already yes it will be in the thought of getting up there with you. to. feel. i. can invest money sweep the process prance for a ninth consecutive weekends cool thing kale from the street.