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tv   Cross Talk  RT  January 13, 2019 11:30pm-12:01am EST

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that's pretty amazing and online censoring continues apace also are the democrats the party of war now. ross talking some real news i'm joined by my guests here in moscow mark slobo to he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dimitri bobbitt he's a political analyst we spoke nick international and in london we crossed to marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics first magazine hi gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate let me go to marcus in in london we have we have a mike pompei on his tour in the middle east he gave a wide ranging if very confusing speech in cairo essentially he's blaming american foreign policy in the middle east on barack obama while at the same time talking about the same three issues iran iran and iran what weren't what your take
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away from the secretary of state's tour. yes i read the transcripts of it states and i found it it's a most peculiar one but i think i can partly explain it i think that mr is trying to reassure americans key allies in the middle east and who say are israel saudi arabia and to a lesser extent egypt that america despite having lost in its objectives in syria is not walking away from the middle east is not a weakened folks in the middle east now of course there is a lot of truth so that's because as i said it's moments ago the american objects in syria has been discrete states and has been defeated in large measure because of russia but at the st lawrence since mr trump became president of course america's. ties to its two most crucial allies in that region israel and saudi
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arabia have been and haunts great make let us not yet trump has now recognized jerusalem as israel's capital and of course trump assigns defense contracts for saudi arabia so that you know something like five hundred billion or six hundred billion dollars so yes it's a strange states because we all know all people want this planet at least know that america is a great force for destruction and instability in the middle east but i think because the americans have been defeated in syria they need to reassure their allies and also she said i do fear very wrong because i believe we have trouble in office and this represents an opportunity in a line of times that the recent efforts do want to overthrow the iranian government and that's something happened under mr trump's tenure in the white house and you know we'll talk about how the democrats in the media reacted to the speech as well
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more what was your takeaway from from the speech because if we agree with marcus in london. is it so bad the pump you has to reassure people yeah well first of all without disagreeing with the substance of the slight correction on the numbers trumpet side are roughly around three hundred billion dollars worth of deals with saudi arabia there's a lot of other deals in the pipeline and the however ninety some percent of those are actually obamacare again that were just resigned so it's just about something like one hundred maybe yeah it's really only it's six hundred billion dollars but i don't know why. so. pompei opened up his speech with this little bit that i found very interesting in my office i keep a bible open on my desk to remind me of god and his word. and to the. truth and then he said it's the truth with
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a lower case t that i'm here to talk about then he went on to say america is a force for good in the middle east now there's nothing of course wrong with him having a bible on his desk but he's giving a speech in a muslim majority country to the muslim world and he opens as i felt that he was an evangelist that i tent revival list i happen how often expected him to suddenly pull out a group of snakes and start going around in circles yelling america is a force for good america is a force for good as the snakes bit his head off i guess. it was absolutely bizarre speech. even across the middle east even among the supposed u.s. allies and we're talking about the gulf dictatorships here saudi arabia qatar bahrain u.a.e. qatar. kuwait. they were embarrassed by this they were
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unfair and insulted by this speech and i mean there's just so many you. know when he said at one point that in world war two american g.i.'s. were there to free north america. we assume you meant north africa from nazi germany would russia and china come to your rescue well well russia and china of course fought in world war two and it was russia that the feet of nazi germany in berlin will say no it's not a game interestingly enough it is the american media doesn't like to talk about it certainly my pump ale doesn't like to talk about it but there is a peace process going on to finally resolve the issues in syria and it's being led by russia in my pump doesn't realize or doesn't want to recognize that. this process is pretty successful because basically they consider commission is walking
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most likely there will be negotiations in geneva or the fight in syria is now much less than just a few months ago and obviously you have russia. and you have. that is this where it is yes it's very because i was located if you're going to going to you could put turkey in both camps so i'm. compelled speech you know it was strange i when i read some of their sentence from it i thought all just as he started to say no if you don't like when he said always shows us the choices that we make have consequences for other countries as well jesus yes yes he's going to talk about old destroyed cities in iraq you're going to talk about leave about syria he's going to repent or no no no the choices are all of north interfering is is bad you know according to pump and then he says there is also a bottomless mused judges have been done i'm like well you. yes he he made
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a mistake when he supported the insurgency in syria who was going to say that he did not support their rebellion in the wrong jesus so it was not enough for us the war in syria the war in iraq the war in libya from peril wanted to know what i was going to write another thing away from it is that. western meddling is good it's moral it's virtuous but russian meddling alleged in the united states is evil again i find the western american you know it's just i see this pattern over and over again the lack of self reflection of actually looking at your own words here let me go back to markets in london and change gears a little bit here glenn greenwald came out with an excellent article the intercept as democratic elites reunite with neo cons the party's voters are becoming far more militaristic and pro-war than republicans i never thought i would read a headline like that is an excellent article i think our viewers should take a look at it but we have a historical shift here or maybe we don't do that just out of spite because trump
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has talked about during the campaign and during his presidency about. withdrawing troops from. syria and syria for sure afghanistan. rethinking the possibility of american troops in iraq i mean this is something that his base likes public opinion polls show it but because trump is for it the democrats in the in the liberal media are against it what's going on here marcus. well i don't think there's been any shift and suddenly at my lights i'm again the democrats have been as true or as the republicans let's not forget in the nine hundred ninety s. how bill clinton treats all who facilitated the arrival of the mujahedeen to also during the civil war there and the mujahideen and that's what some of the most appalling atrocities of the twentieth century against us and in service let's not
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forget how being bill clinton gave the order for nato to stop bombing serbia for three months and mock was talking earlier about how it was the friends of the bible well. the beginning of nine hundred ninety nine bill clinton will sit in the oval office and he also skulls shall i bomb serbia and guess what got sense yes yeah i guess so i guess it just like george w. bush was talking to god about it in iraq that's what the other phone in the oval office is for it's a straight line that got you to that so in my opinion the democrats and republicans when it comes to foreign policy they aren't suso it's all the same color health same point they have no respect for the united nations charter that they have no respect for international law and i think you know the democrats have proven their action it months to all over the last twenty years and ok well i mean you know i want to go back and we came we can take a look our viewers can take a look at the article the root of the point is that polling data shows that the
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democrats are more pro war then republicans though i suppose you know it's to one degree or another both are interventionist both support american exceptionalism marco hey yeah so the numbers show that as of right now some forty nine to thirty three percent the majority of americans support trump's withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria and the vast majority of that thirty three percent is democrats. and the six almost. we see very similar numbers with the withdrawal from afghanistan here's the problem just a few years ago when it was obama campaigning on withdrawing troops from afghanistan which he ran on and then actually surge troops in two democrats were overwhelmingly supporting withdrawing all troops from afghanistan and republicans were getting so explain forty seconds partisanship they're. not as hard from
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playing to the base how does trump play into this because republican voters as a whole you know there's always specific support whatever trump says when trump was launching airstrikes into damascus on the pretext of chemical weapons republican supported that right so but i think there is a long term shift with the neo cons gravitating to control both parties directly now when we have bill kristol and robert kagan supporting hillary clinton and so on and this may not be reversible this may have a a longer trend than partitions and so then you can sort of the republican party is just grating to the democrats to black and i jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news today with art.
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is your officer. told you to get up off the ground or serbians. themselves on the sounds of them maybe. it is your wish to go away from your office or. the toys out of his crib. the obvious or did they kind of lunge for the weapon once missed and then what happened on tree swung at the officers hands didn't hit him i never saw any contact between the two and the kind went back to where they were so the officers back here there try again fifteen feet apart at this point and that's when the officer pulled out his gun and he did it on three. you know world
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a big part of the new lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. reflect there's someone else living inside of me controlling my body. the byproduct of. that drug is the cause like severe depression. because it literally made him into a zombie it's crazy. you know we don't have to do anything it's not our fault this
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is crazy and all that. took years traumatic to get rid of. more all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. you can let me go to demon out and change gears and we see. censorship gaining a pace here we have this new scarred app that will basically tell the consumer of news sites what's. truthful news real news as opposed to fake news but if you look at these the background of these people here. i mean this is or
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a combination of all media and traditional media and deep state figures determining what news is all about is it trustworthy in your mind because of you obviously the new york times is gets a passing grade but of course the television station that we're on right now doesn't well i mean these people from the so-called heritage media you know the legacy media they have been exposed even in the last two months just look at all these stories you know the sound attack against the american diplomats in cuba was actually produced by insects crickets crickets in ukraine they supported the regime which surprise surprise added step on bond there as boos the you know on the first of january they made it their tional city gratian dates one of the most important anniversary and in collaboration genocidal i have absolutely the hound of that ukrainian nationalists who destroyed tens of thousands of jews in kiev lol and this
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was reported by the new york times the new york times published an opinion piece by a god linsky the crowd over the ukrainian jewish comedian who exposed it but the newspaper in the regime of the united states continues to support the president for a show called ukraine in his regime so they have been exposed to many things but they continue to say that are they guys are dangerous the same story with france and germany in france suddenly there are more yellow vests you know these last saw the seventy there were more you know mass than at the previous one who's to blame russia russia the same story with germany and we hear calls in the first that germany and france they have also introduced very tough laws controlling the internet they're represented absolved there. are the first week tips in both france and germany and these guys they just could not admit that their ideology can be wrong it's. russia or. no just something to let these russians feel
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that these menace to islands he lead these arrangements plus their messages that this is all obviously a terrible lot because this is a continuing trend here that we saw with alex jones which i'm not a big fan of but i think that he should have a platform and many many others here this seems like a second way this news guard wants to basically my novel lies the america the american market presumably to be rolled out on a global scale so this is going to be a very. two thousand one hundred going to be another bad year for free speech go ahead marcus in london. well let's approach this new app as a proper codes of law boards and i have two questions to pose number one who owns this at what it what is their backgrounds what about backgrounds and number two who decides what is trustworthy or not now these are two critical
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questions which have to be addressed and have to be offset but as we all know pete for many many years now has been a concerted campaign in both america and britain to denigrates russia and the russian people and to denigrate those commentators in the public eye inside russia and outside of russia who show more open mindedness when it comes to russians foreign policy objectives for example what's happened in ukraine what's happens in syria if we just have a look in princeton we have it has been revealed in the last few weeks about the institute the state cross and the integrity initiative the british government funded projects which have been designed which have been established to do exactly what i said just now to denigrate russia and to denigrate those people in the
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public eye who challenge the british and american not it's when it comes to russia or ukraine or syria so yes these are very very dark times and when we see newspapers in britain and america saying that aussie for example is controversial or crustal is controversial well i always pose this question. who defines what controversial is and secondly who climbs the words controversial now all you need to do is a bit of research and you will see that the people who define the word controversial in the concepts the hot seat the people who apply the word controversial in the context of aussie having. say so in the know in whatsoever right exactly in a market it's a very insidious marriage between the deep state and journalists that have abandoned their profession in the way that i understand being a journalist here i mean this is just
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a mechanism to shut down free speech at all costs yeah absolutely to support the official stablished narrative and they claim that they have real journalists and editors doing what they call fact checking but the connections with the u.s. deep state are obvious first of all they're partnering this is their news guard is partnering with microsoft on this they are fighting to get this installed in schools public libraries universities they want this mandatory on every mobile phone and computer sold in the united states they want facebook and twitter to start using them as as well and they've they've got a color coded system right there where the red fox numerous and voice of america radio free europe radio liberty the u.s. propaganda network are green r t c g ten right those are those are red they're bad
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and they're rolling out a brand new guard as well that goes out with this and they're what it's doing is attempting to force companies to stop using advertising online that many all media sources like say press and others you know rely on ad revenues in order to help generate funds on their you know their paper thin budget but there's all kinds of connections first of all the founders of news guard are are are linked to all kinds of neo con think tanks like the heritage foundation and the american enterprise institute and they're on their list of advisors you know for how this is set up who is going to who are the. advisers telling news guard what news is good and what is bad michael hayden the former director of the cia and the n.s.a. both right you also have richard stengel on there right just to show the bipartisanship of it he's was an obama era official he was an undersecretary.
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i believe in the state department for the obama administration and he famously said many people call me obama's chief propagandist and then he went on you know in a council of foreign relations discussion right in front of cameras to say that he's all in favor of targeting propaganda and those words propaganda against the american people and he's the one who's going to be advising those guard. on what's real news and what's not t.v. this is going to work i mean you know you know there is when i was growing up there was a nice saying is that you know if you push the toothpaste out of the tube you can get it back in and have public's been exposed to an open open sources on the internet so well enough for these state supported actors to start contract ing it i mean what would be the reaction you know from my attitude is this is that when i'm on facebook i can see what a fake story is when it's
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a fake story when someone puts it on ok i mean you have an intuitive sense here and i think most people that are interested in news how of an intuitive sense i think we have to trust the individual here is this this this form of censorship is going to destroy what we understand with the internet we know that media can fuel. it more than the actual act you know and i think this is a more than they were atheism when you declare a certain group of people simply long eligible for a certain extent if you like there was racism against russian athletes they can't compete at the olympic games you can't even speak russian they have gone full show russian flag even though it. it's the same story with the media let me call toward the french president said last year about r t and sporting without referring to them by name but he said aggression the french journalists there are some people who hate your speech your madness your four months but they're not you and we have
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to deal with all of that so it's just amazing he is basically saying that there are certain people posing as journalists but because they're objective here they're not journalists and this is the reason why french people. sure huge a position to mark i think even the british even the germans don't understand this they all expected their yeah well versed brought us today though why they didn't because mccrone doesn't learn anything you know he he it divides people into friends and enemies and enemy side dehumanized you know. they just imitate journalists for months. you could meet them at the train station is just says you can meet that there's a station successful people like me who did something in life and you may meet absolute nobodies so you know it is this kind of a trade that makes people angry it drives them to their advantage of me to be asleep that's why they're in the streets marcus let me go back to you in london i
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would i would just take with him a bomb which had the same kind of inverted here in you know in my lifetime i think about you know before the internet some really great journalist great television journalist great writers and all that but today there are just basically. for power i don't see you a whole lot of quality journalism it's always the reference is to power i suppose that makes you rich and makes you famous you get celebrity but it's the there are just peddling a message here so to criticize me because of where i work you know to to invalidate that is exactly what demon by. which is saying here i mean it to you it's basically people that have that opinion invalidate journalism as a as a profession go ahead marcus in london yes let me be candid and i suppose brutally candid about the east he poor in america and britain he must write this journalists they are not of course proper journalists and lee and not so subtle you know in our
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definition of what makes a journalist it is my future they fall into two categories the absolute of cats agrees the first category i would describe them as ideologically driven not forced so just of the american establishment and the british that's what these people genuinely the late in the necessary city of west and global dominance they believe in that as much as we believe it is important for russia ok to be so markel are almost out of time what's the second category we're almost out of time what's a second category you say well quite simply money talks money makes the world go round and so i mean when it comes to the institute to stay strong we now know many of the ok it's the business model he has i have to jump in here gentlemen a many thanks to my guest here in moscow and in london this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember.
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when i came back from iraq now whoa marijuana her was cocaine methamphetamine so anything that's altering trying to get us out of. that bad mindset using the chemical that would be self medicating. i want to be drinking and drinking ino new nope just killing myself by drinking alcohol links don't drink to get drunk alcoholics drink to feel normal. that's why alcoholics that's why a drug addicts do what they do a shot of us over the next right here star cool under which these guys are blowing
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through to it it just means to. need to be helped and not good pushed on by the v.a.'s are as drugs go and stuff they need to be helped. and they just really shouldn't be looked at like numbers they should be looked at like people if they go to a veteran center for health issues be considered as someone who really needs attention and. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to us of the world of politics small business i'm show business i'll see that. if like there's someone else living inside of me or controlling my body. the byproduct of that drug is the cause like severe depression.
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because it will meet him into a zombie it's crazy. you know and we don't have to do anything it's not our fault the shoes crazy and all that. here's the traumatic next time to get rid of. you know world of big partisan lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bats and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the
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