and that's. kind of how we're going. now howard because you know now their children and. their income if you're not in. there should basically down to two hundred dollars they're writing about one hundred dollars and i'm trying to get her children out. if there's no mission. or. has erupted in south africa or after local health department reportedly told white doctors not to bother applying according to a leaked document the department is aiming to hire four hundred sixty six backed up to six equity targets also include thirty two indian twelve white and four mixed race professionals. we are unapologetic about addressing these imbalances of the past south africa including causey natal remains an unequal society with limited opportunities to self development those who historically oppressed south african political party democratic alliance has expressed outrage over the policy it

insists that the health department is acting in a racist way and going against constitutional values why it's coming make up around nine percent of south africa's population we've got reaction from our guests this is not the first example of hiring policies being discriminatory particularly against white people and i would say that it is racist but i wouldn't say that it's surprising and that's why and i kind of. members of course in south africa we know that you are coming from and called the up out of date when. you get more people that use them to play doctor as we respect. the priorities was given to the white people unfortunately that legacy is still continuing the government is more willing to work with companies and is willing to tax them less if they hire more black people and if there are more black people who own shares in the company yes while there are. advantage at vantage why people who do have money from

either success recently or success from that's carried over from before the change of government this doesn't change the fact that this is not a fair policy and white people having all this luxury as. there today i changed from the previous government. but instead of trying. to lend a. hand in hand with their counterparts they see themselves. as the black people that they are the elite group they control the government they control the business they control the education our black people seek our lives. people are poor and white doctor has. only to add that kind of. graduated they don't watch two or two i was already guys in black township true to say in the hospital still the only solution would be to recruit more people so that people can serve well

a lot of white doctors who have worked in these poor rural areas they have not been able to to do business with the majority because the majority's interested in black doctors but the majority is not interested in becoming doctors they're more interested on living off of government benefits and not working hard enough to have doctors from their own community you're watching our say that sneeze for now we're back again at the top of the hour. hello and welcome to crossfire for all things considered i'm peter lavelle u.s. secretary of state might palm pale tells us america is

a force for good in the middle east well that's pretty amazing and online censoring continues apace also by the democrats the party of war now. ross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow marx lability he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst we spoke nick international and in london we cross to marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics first magazine right gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to marcus in in london we have we have a mike pompei on his tour in the middle east he gave a wide ranging if very confusing speech in cairo essentially he's blaming american foreign policy in the middle east on barack obama while at the same time

talking about the same three issues iran iran and iran what were you what's your take away from the secretary of state's tour. yes i read the transcripts of estates and i found it a most peculiar want but i think i can explain it i think that mr is trying to reassure americans key allies in the middle east and who say all israel saudi arabia and so less of this extents egypt that america despite have been lost. it's objective in syria is not walking away from the middle east is not a weakened force in the middle east now of course there is a lot of truth to that because as i said moments ago the american objects if in syria has spain defeat states and has been defeated in large measure because of the russia but of the saints lions since mr trump became president of course

america's ties to its two most crucial allies in that region israel and saudi arabia have been enhanced great make let us not yet trump has now recognized jerusalem as israel's capital and of course trump assigns defense contracts for saudi arabia to the chair not something like five hundred billion or six hundred billion dollars so yes it's a strange states because we all know all people want this planet at least know that america is a great forbes for destruction and instability in the middle east but i think because the americans have been defeated in syria they need to reassure their allies and also she said i do fear very wrong because i believe we've trumped in office and this represents an opportunity in a lifetime for those on capitol hill who want to overthrow the iranian government and that's something happened under mr trump's tenure in the white house you know

we'll talk about how the democrats in the media reacted to the speech as well mark what was your takeaway from from the speech because if we and i agree with marcus lane london. is it's so bad the pump you has to reassure people yeah but aversive all without disagreeing with the substance just a slight correction on the numbers trump aside are roughly around three hundred billion dollars worth of deals with saudi arabia there's a lot of other deals in the pipeline and the however ninety some percent of those. actually obama era that we're just resigned so it's just about six hundred maybe yes. six hundred billion dollars but i don't know him. so. pompei opened up his speech with this little bit that i found very interesting in my office i keep a bible open on my desk to remind me of god and his word. to

the truth and then he said it's the truth with a lower case t that i'm here to talk about then he went on to say america is a force for good in the middle east now there's nothing of course wrong with him having a bible on his desk but he's giving a speech in a muslim majority country to the muslim world and he opens this i felt that he was an evangelist that i tent revival list i help house expected him to suddenly pull out a group of stakes and start going around in circles yelling america is a force for good america is a force for good as the snakes bit his head off i guess you know it was absolutely bizarre speech. even across the middle east even among the supposed u.s. allies and we're talking about the gulf dictatorships here saudi arabia qatar bahrain u.a.e.

qatar. kuwait. they were embarrassed by this they were unfair and insulted by this speech and i mean there's just so many you. know when he said at one point that in world war two american g.i.'s. were there to free north america. we assume you meant north africa from nazi germany would russia and china come to your rescue well well russia and china of course for in world war two and it was russia that the feet of nazi germany in berlin will say no it's not a game interestingly enough it is the american media doesn't like to talk about it certainly my pump ale doesn't like to talk about it but there is a peace process going on to finally resolve the issues in syria and it's being led by russia. doesn't realize or doesn't want to recognize that. this process is pretty successful because basically they consider commission is walking

most likely there will be negotiations in geneva or the fight in syria is now much less than just a few months ago and obviously you have russia. and you have. that is this where it is yes it's very because look if you're going to go into you could put turkey in both camps so i'm. compelled speech you know it was strange i when i read some of their sentence from it i thought oh jesus he is starting to say no you know like when he said always shows us the choices that we make have consequences for other countries as well jesus yes yes he's going to talk about old destroyed cities in iraq you're going to talk about leave about syria he's going to repent or no no no the choices are all of north interfering is is bad you know according to pump fail then he says there is also

a bottomless music judges have been done i'm like oh you. yes he he made a mistake when he supported the insurgency in syria but it was going to say that he did not support their rebellion in the wrong jesus so it was not at all for us the war in syria the war in iraq the war in libya pale wanted to know what i was going to write another to take away from it is that. western meddling is good it's moral it's virtuous but russian meddling alleged in the united states is evil again i find the western american in those ideas that i see this pattern over and over again the lack of self reflection of actually looking at your own words here let me go back to markets in london and change gears a little bit here glenn greenwald came out with an excellent article the intercept as democratic elites reunite with neo cons the party's voters are becoming far more militaristic and pro-war than republicans i never thought i would read

a headline like that is an excellent article i think our viewers should take a look at it but we have a historical shift here or maybe we don't do that just out of spite because trump has talked about during the campaign and during his presidency about. withdrawing troops from. syria and syria for sure afghanistan. rethinking the possibility of american troops in iraq i mean this is something that his base likes public opinion polls show it but because trump is for it the democrats in the in the liberal media are against it what's going on here marcus. well i don't think there's been any shift and suddenly at my lights i'm again the democrats have been as true or as the republicans let's not forget in the nine hundred ninety s. how bill clinton treats all who to sell it states and the arrival of the mujahedeen to boston area during the civil war there and the mujahideen and that's what some

of the most appalling atrocities of the twentieth century against mostly in service let's not forget how being bill clinton gave the order to nato its stop only in serbia to frame ups and mock was talking earlier about how it was referring to the bible well. the beginning of nine hundred ninety nine bill clinton will sit in the oval office and he also skulls shall i bomb serbia and guess what got sense yes yeah i guess so i guess it just like george w. bush was talking to god about it in iraq if that's what the other phone in the oval office is for it's a straight line that got into that so in my opinion the democrats and republicans when it comes to foreign policy they aren't suso it's all the same color health same point they have no respect for the united nations charter that they have no respect for international law and i think you know the democrats have proven. that they actually make months to walk over the last twenty years and i can tell i

mean you know i want to go back and we came we can take a look our viewers can take a look at the article the root of the point is that polling data shows that the democrats are more prone war then republicans though i suppose you know it's to one degree or another both are interventionist both support american exceptionalism mark ok yet so the numbers show that as of right now some forty nine to thirty three percent the majority of americans support trump's withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria and the vast majority of that thirty three percent is democrats. and the six almost. we see very similar numbers with the withdrawal from afghanistan here's the problem just a few years ago when it was obama campaigning on withdrawing troops from afghanistan which he ran on and then actually surge troops into democrats were overwhelmingly supporting withdrawing all troops from afghanistan and the

republicans were exploiting forty seconds partisanship. but it was just not as heard from a play into this how does trump play into this because republican voters as a whole you know there's always specifics support whatever trump says when trump was launching airstrikes into damascus on the pretext of chemical weapons republican supported that so but i think there is a long term shift with the neo cons gravitating to control both parties directly now when we have bill kristol and robert kagan supporting hillary clinton and so on and this may not be reversible this may have a a longer trend that partition sort of and so then you can sort of the republican party is just grating to the democrats to black and i jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news today with art.

as a spy you have to really split your own posts not authentic to you that is the committed jihad this that was the life that within me and then that is the person who wanted to counter everything they want to do and then try to dismantle everything they were doing so you have to really become a good doctor a note of the tools. you have to for your own family in order to hold the. welcome back to crossfire for all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news.

you can let me go to demon out of change gears and we see. online censorship gaining a pace here we have this news guard app that will basically. the consumer of news sites what's. truthful news real news as opposed to fake news but if you look at these the background of these people here i mean this is a combination of all media traditional media and deep state figures determining what news is all about is it trustworthy in your mind because if you obviously the new york times is gets a passing grade but of course the television station that we're on right now doesn't well i mean these people from the so-called heritage media you know media they have been exposed even in the last two months just look at all these

stories you know the sound attack against the american diplomats in cuba was actually produced by insects crickets crickets in ukraine they supported the regime which surprise surprise and step on down there as birds the you know on the first of january they've made it their tional said ration day it's one of the most important anniversary nazi collaborators genocide of the way of your oh yeah absolutely they're out of that ukrainian nationalists who destroyed tens of thousands of jews in kiev lol and this was reported by the new york times. the new york times published an opinion piece by a god the crowd over the ukrainian jewish community who exposed it but then you stay put and the regime in the united states continues to support the president for a show called ukraine and his regime so they have been exposed but they continue to say that the other guys are dangerous the same story with france and germany and in

france suddenly there are more yellow vests you know these last saw the seventy there were more you know mass than at the previous one who's to blame russia russia the same story with germany and we hear calls in the first that germany and france they have also introduced very tough laws controlling the internet represented ourselves there. are the first week tips in both france and germany and these guys they just could not admit that their ideology can be wrong it's almost russian or. something to let these russians feel that these ministers islands he led these arrangements plus their messages that this is obviously a terrible market this is a continuing trend here that we saw with jones which i'm not a big fan of but i think that he should have a platform and many many others here this seems like a second way this news guard wants to basically my novel eyes the american the

american market presumably to be rolled out on a global scale so this is going to be a very and two to two thousand one hundred going to be another bad year for free speech go ahead marcus in london. well let's approach this new app as a proper codes of lords and i have two questions to pose number one who owns this at what it what is their backgrounds what at backgrounds and number two who decides what is trustworthy or not now these are two critical questions which have to be addressed and have to be on set up as we all know pete for many many it's now has been a concerted campaign in both america and britain to denigrates russia and the russian people and to denigrate those commentators in the public eye inside russia

and outside of russia who show more open mindedness when it comes to russians foreign policy objectives for example what's happened in ukraine what's happens in syria if we just have a look in britain we have it has been revealed in the last few weeks about the institute for state crofts and the integrity initiative the british government funded projects which have been designed which have been established to do exactly what i said just now to denigrate russia and to denigrate those people in the public who challenge the british and american narratives when it comes to russia or ukraine or syria so yes these are very very dark times and we see in newspapers in britain and america saying that aussie for example is controversial or crustal is controversial well my way pose this question. who defines what controversial is and secondly who's lines the words controversial now all you need to do is

a bit of research and you will see that the people who define the word controversial in the concepts the hot seat the people who apply the word controversial in the context of aussie having. say so in the know in whatsoever right exactly in a market it's a very insidious marriage between the deep state and journalists that have abandoned their profession in the way that i understand being a journalist here i mean this is just a mechanism to shut down free speech at all cost ok yeah absolutely to support the official stablished narrative and they claim that they have real journalists and editors doing what they call fact checking but the connections with the u.s. deep state are obvious first of all they're partnering this is their news guard is partnering with microsoft on this they are fighting to get this installed in schools public libraries universities they want this mandatory on

every mobile phone and computer sold in the united states they want facebook and twitter to start using them as as well and they've they've got a color coded yeah system right where the red fox knows and voice of america radio free europe radio liberty the u.s. propaganda network our green r t c g tent right those are those are are red they're bad and they're rolling out a brand new guard as well that goes out with this and they're what it's doing is attempting to force companies to stop using advertising online that many all media sources like say press and others you know rely on ad revenues in order to help generate funds on their you know their paper thin budget but there's all kinds of connections first of all the founders of news guard

are are are linked to all kinds of neo con think tanks like the heritage foundation and the american enterprise institute and they're on their list of advisors you know for how this is set up who is going to who are the. advisers telling news guard what news is good and what is bad michael hayden the former director of the cia and the n.s.a. both right you also have richard stengel on there right just to show the bipartisanship of it he's was an obama era official he was an undersecretary. of believe in the state department for the obama administration and he famously said many people call me obama's chief propagandist and then he went on in a council of foreign relations discussion right in front of cameras to say that he's all in favor of targeting propaganda in those words propaganda against the american people and he's the one who's going to be advising those guard. on what's

real news and what's not is this going to work i mean you know you know there is when i was growing up there was a nice saying is that you know if you push the toothpaste out of the tube you can get it back in and have public's been exposed to an open open sources on the internet so well enough for these state supported actors to start contract ing it i mean what would be the reaction you know from my attitude is this is that when i'm on facebook i can see what a fake story is when it's a fake story when someone puts it on ok i mean you have an intuitive sense here and i think most people that are interested in news how of an intuitive sense i think we have to trust the individual here is this this this form of censorship is going to destroy what we understand with the internet we know that media can fuel. it more than the actual act you know and i think this is a more than they were atheism when you declare

a certain group of people simply long eligible for a certain extent if you like there was racism against russian athletes they can't compete that they had in big games you can't even speak russian they have gone full show russian flag even though it. it's the same story with the media let me call toward the french president said last year about r t and sport without referring to them by name but he said aggression the french journalists there are some people who need your speech your madness your four months but they're not you and we have to deal with all of that so it's just amazing he is basically saying that there are certain people posing as journalists but because they're objective here they're not journalists and this is the reason why french people. sure huge a position to mark i think even the british even the germans don't understand this the they all expected their yeah well versed brought us today though why they

didn't because mccrone doesn't learn anything you know he he divides people into friends and enemies and enemy aside dehumanized you know. they just imitate journalists for months. you could meet them at the train station is just says you can meet that there's a train station successful people like me who did something in life and you may meet absolute nobodies so you know it is this kind of a tour that makes people angry it drives them to their advantage of me garvey asli that's why they're in the streets marcus let me go back to you in london i would i would just take with him a bomb which had the same kind of inverted here in you know in my lifetime i think about you know before the internet some really great journalist great television journalist great writers and all that but today there are just basically. for power i don't see you whole or whole lot of quality journalism it's always the reference is to power i suppose that makes you rich and makes you famous you get celebrity

but it's the there are just peddling a message here so to criticize me because of where i work you know to to invalidate that is exactly what demon by. which is saying here i mean it to you it's basically people that have that opinion invalidate journalism as a as a profession go ahead marcus in london yes let me be candid and i suppose brutally candid about the says he poor in america and britain he masquerade as journalists they are not of course proper journalists certainly not such you know in our definition of what makes a journalist it is my future they fall into two categories of outspokenness agrees the first category i would describe that most ideologically driven not fully so just of the american establishment and the british that some of these people genuinely to leave in the necessary city of western global dominance they

believe in that as much as we believe it is important for russia ok to be so mark heller i'm outside of time what's the second category we're almost out of time what's a second category you said well quite simply money talks money makes the world go round and suddenly when it comes to the institute to stay strong we now know many of the ok it's the business model he has are i have to jump in here gentlemen a many thanks to my guest here in moscow and in and london this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then.

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