trump when he was running in two thousand and sixteen articulated a vision of foreign policy that was clearly at odds with what you would consider the sort of post-war liberal international consensus that that american foreign policy is. there might be some claim that there are elements that critique that house and the liberty here's the problem though it's not enough to offer to you can say that there are problems with the existing foreign policy and then you have to offer something that's a better person period alternative and this is where i think trump is has failed miserably.

nancy pelosi pulls a d.c. tower moved by disinviting donald trump from delivering his state of the union address to congress is this a winning move the democrats will take a look at that on this edition of. the politicking on larry king on wednesday house speaker nancy pelosi suggested that president trump reschedule or submitted riving his flan state of the union address kegel for later this month in her disinvite the speaker cites strains to security preparations caused by the partial government shutdown republicans were quick to blast follows these move as petty politics what happens now and will move back fire or help the democratic party let's start there with former democratic representative elizabeth holtzman once the youngest female member of congress she

served four terms as democratic congresswoman from new york. she was also a member of the high fee just. as to get in the role of president nixon in the watergate scandal and voted to impeach him her latest book is the case for him drum she joins me from new york elizabeth thanks so much a what do you make of the palosi i did to disinvite done trump well i don't know that she disinvited him what she said was that this is not the right time is and that he should consider rescheduling his state of the union when we get back to normalcy i mean this is a very abnormal time the gut part of the government is shut down eight hundred thousand americans are not getting their paychecks millions more americans are suffering because of the absence of those paychecks so the president can't treat

the situation as normal what is the state of the union is totally abnormal at this moment so i think she's perfectly right and she pointed out you know many presidents up to the time of woodrow wilson submitted most of the presence or not all of them submitted their stay the union message in writing so i think that for the president to think that this is. time is normal that these in normal times he's just wrong he doesn't understand the pain that americans are feeling what do you think is going to happen. oh i think he's he doesn't yet understand the pain that people feel. he's is a very cruel person it turns out i mean look at the program that he had to separate children from parents allowed us government officials to tear children out of their mother's arms and i mean it took a public outcry for him to say oh maybe there's something wrong with this he didn't see that it was wrong to do that from the get go and he says oh american workers who are laid off they're perfectly happy not to get that paycheck well there was

just a recent poll that showed no the american workers who've been laid off they want to get paid for working anybody want to get paid for working so i think he doesn't understand the pain that people are feeling as a result of his actions maybe this will wake them up. don't. he should open up the government he should first of all i mean nobody should have to pay the personal price of having him try to fulfill his campaign pledge then number two he should go and read the constitution very short little pamphlet and take them just maybe an hour maybe less to read on the plane you could read this and go into the golf course and realize that there are three branches of government and really two that deal with appropriations that is congress and the president the president can't have his way all the time and when he wants it he's got to deal

with an equal coordinate branch of government which is the congress so he is going to have to give will the congress have to give maybe but he is not moving one iota and not only moving but he's making other people pay the price he's holding eight hundred thousand american workers high and their families hostage he's holding their creditors hostage and now we see the economy is going to be affected much more seriously than they ever anticipated what kind of price is america going to pay for his stubbornness and he doesn't even really understand what the role of congress is so as i said open up the government read the constitution and sit down and negotiate in good faith. as you jim other bases you served on judiciary william barr on the ones confirmation hearings this week to be the next attorney general what did you take away from since the moment. well i thought. he's

obviously experienced smart lawyer but i was very troubled by some aspects of his testimony for example his refusal to say that he'd make the moeller report public he's going to issue his own report well that could be a cover up report i mean the american people i think should be able to see the mulla report and he should make a commitment to do that the second thing is he should have made basically the same commitment that elliot richardson made which is that. he would basically resign if there was any effort to try to limit not just stop the investigation but to limit the investigation of mohler and the third thing is i wrote an op ed piece that appeared in the washington post earlier this week saying that he's tried to revise history to suggest that president trump can't be prosecuted for obstruction

of justice and particularly he misstated the facts about the nixon impeachment that's totally unnecessary and the fact is how much room historical revisionism are we going to go through for the republicans to make their point to try to put the president above the law what that worries me very much what would possibly be the reason for not making the mobile report public. well that's the only reason not to make it public well there could be a few legitimate reasons for example it could be grand jury material and there so you'd have to read back that there could be some classified materials there you have to redact at but other than that it should all come out because we should not have a cover up period we've been through cover ups they're bad for the country they're bad for democracy they're bad for our government and so we should have committed to making that public subject to issues of grand jury confidentiality or subject to

issues of class government classification how weird is it elizabeth you've been around awhile to have an american president being investigated by the f.b.i. about whether. he was acting on behalf of formal form plumtree well i mean i think it's terrifying actually i mean i served in congress we had to deal with the nixon impeachment we had to deal with issues of presidential war making powers we were in the vietnam war when i took office i mean they were very serious issues no one ever thought at least as far as i know no one ever really thought that the president was. an agent of a foreign government that never occurred to anybody but now what we see is really really troublesome i think it's troublesome to to have an f.b.i.

investigator present known wants to have that kind of thing happen but the fact of the matter is there was a lot of smoke and there still is smoke i mean we have a couple of things going on we have the fact that president trump called on russia to hack. the the clinton e-mails we also had president trump's family son and son in law meeting with people who wanted to who came to to the meeting saying russians who came to the meeting say this meeting is to give dirt on hillary clinton and as a sign of the support of the russian government for your election well wait a minute. we're going to take america can american can it's going to take support from not just a small country but one of our major opponents contenders maybe don't call it an enemy but it's certainly and then tag an ist have them how could he have done that so we know that that's happened and on the other hand we see that the russian

government intervened on his behalf that's been well established not only by all the intelligence agencies but by the muller's grand juries so that's been established and what do we see on trump's part ever since he's taken over as president he has fulfilled putin's agenda peace tried to get the u.s. at of nato now if the information is but come public he's met with putin in private he's attacked the european union he actually downgraded them diplomatically without discussing this with congress i think it was last week or the week before he is. supported right wing governments in europe is attacked our allies in europe he's carried out putin's agenda i mean it would have been inconceivable if you ask me i'm never like trump i never thought he was fit or qualified to be president but if you'd asked me is he

a russian puppet i was at are you out of your my but the evidence now is too serious and too substantial and it's scary and that's why we have the house intelligence committee is going to be looking at this and we know that molar has been looking at this would be huge big through. the wars. well i think it's going to be it's going to be devastating to trump i think it's going to be like john dean's testimony and i think he's going to get a lot of other information about misconduct by trump possible criminality by trump in a variety of areas including russia including. campaign finance clearing dealing with other women. it's going to be a three ring show. you voted to impeach nixon were you in the house now were you on the judiciary committee would you vote to impeach trump.

well i think let's put it this way i think this substantial amount of evidence suggesting that he's committed impeachable offenses struction of justice. dangling pardons before people he's also taken emoluments that wasn't part of the nixon effort there are some other things that he's done the failure to protect the united states there are many things that could be impeachable offenses the problem is that they haven't been aside from muller we don't know whether miller's fully investigated them but is now on the public record we don't have a full investigation of any of these things and they need to be fully investigated so if i were in the house of representatives i would be urging desperately intensely for the congress to conduct investigative hearings on presidents payments from foreign governments that. how these pardons were dangled

what role did he play in that the firing of call me when he called all kinds of people in his administration and said you get the call me to drop the f.b.i. investigation we that information hasn't yet been public a so those are the kinds of investigations that need to be conducted once those investigations are completed and we have a full record then at that point it may be appropriate to commence impeachment proceedings congresswoman holtzman always great talking with you thank you so much thank you larry great to talk to you taunters woman a loser holtzmann we stand for so much for taking the time today will be back with more politicking right after the break.

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show in france opposes. bill press progressive commentator and author host of the mill brash show on the young turks network his latest book trump must go the top one hundred reasons to dumb drum and one to keep him let's not amy speaking blows in asking trump to reschedule a summit in writing the state of the union what do you make of that oh if he could schedule it or if he could put it in writing that would save us so much time with these and all of the union speeches they're never good they're rarely memorable i think a lot of americans would appreciate that something that was really strange about this story that came out of politico was that apparently democrats had been planning for quote unquote months to ask the president to postpone the state of the union so this idea that it's because of the government shutdown belies their own planning if it dates back months i think going to learn more about it and i don't

anticipate that the president is going to pass up the opportunity to speak to the nation and scold the congress bill. i think it was a bold brilliant move by speaker pelosi i think it showed a couple of things number one it underscores the fact of the trunk shutdown which continues rolls on no end in sight and no apparent willingness on the part of the president to even give a damn about it number one number two it shows that there's a new sheriff in town and there's a new power political power in town that donald trump is going to have to deal with and i don't think he yet realizes that so maybe a maybe right knowing donald trump hill schedule something else maybe somewhere or somewhere somehow but it won't have the glory and the honor and the pageantry of a state of the union address and we may not have one this year bigger issue amy isis has claimed responsibility for wednesday's suicide bombing in syria killed

fifteen people including four americans and any honestly i thought i says was defeated. well i think that we don't really know the definition of defeating the enemy in the age of terrorism isis in terms of controlling land that seems to have been defeated but when you come when it comes to jihadi terrorists that are willing to strap bombs onto themselves and blow people up i think that this is a problem that we're going to be living with for a generation or two and that we can't say ever say that we've defeated radical islamic jihadism but in terms of isis as an organization it's been very much degraded the land that they captured they no longer control the same goes for al qaeda after nine eleven in our efforts to snatch them but al qaeda still exists in a certain form and you have their you know costly morphing changing their names they have the known wolves lone wolves who commit terrorist acts in their name you know it's a dreadful problem that every american president i think is going to have to deal

with should trump not have said they were defeated bill and. ziskin more reason to leave syria or more reasons to stay i think it undercuts everything donald trump has been saying about syria amy is right the idea that we defeated al-qaeda and will never have to worry about them again is absurd and the idea that isis even though their territory has shrunk dramatically that isis is no longer a factor is absurd and that was proven in wednesday's bombing i thought the most important telling point to me was when senator lindsey graham the new chair of judiciary interrupted the second day of hearings for william barr to publicly scold the president i mean and this is donald trump's be f.-f. to scold the president said we warned you not to just abruptly pulled american troops out of syria i think getting out a series the right thing but in the right way and the right time and it's not

precipitous overnight there's still a job for them to do amy is is putin now the most powerful person in the world. particularly you know shirtless and riding horses and petting tigers but let's remember that russia does not have the economic strength or the military strength of the united states of america it's a very fundamental ways but he certainly has been very clever and very effective at turning the political parties here in this country against one another meddling in our election and let's not forget that that whole steel dossier that was paid for by the clinton campaign through her through the law firm that involved what's called compromise that that was fed to christopher steele by russian agents or russian affiliated agents to use to smear donald trump so president sorry lot of your putin has been very effective i think at disrupting american politics bill yeah i think what you see right now is the world's two greatest democracies the

u.k. and the united states in disarray for sure. and vladimir putin stronger than ever i think on the world scene today he is the strongest. world leader of the sun's on all trumps wrong as a sort of i mean like bill and talk about in terms of well you know what that is going to migrate try to grievance or political agreements the united states leads in that you know. what do you mean donald trump said we got a new trade agreement with mexico and canada it doesn't exist kind of congress hasn't endorsed it so what's the accomplish there nothing at all the point i wanted from final point about putin is i mean that's what i find strange is that a lot of people do is that putin continues to dominate and donald trump continues to kisses but basically to the point where the f b i even thought that he might be an agent of the russian government that shows you how strong putin is hi what's your reaction amy to. william barres confirmation hearings did he do well.

i think he's going to become the next attorney general of the united states he did well he was measured he is he was he was very of certainly very much in command of himself and the facts the sixty eight year old has already served as attorney general under the first george bush george h.w. bush so i think it's sort of a foregone conclusion that he will become attorney general and that it was sort of interesting it put both sides in an awkward position that he's such good friends with robert mueller that their wives go to bible study together mr mueller has gone to two of his daughters weddings so there are a lot of questions they like what is this going to mean i think it means that donald trump was certainly willing to nominate him knowing this information and another little bit of background here that mr barr had actually already been asked by president trump to be on his personal legal team he declined and yet he was still nominee by the president by end of this means that we have confidence in the

you know the final results i interviewed mr barr a few times use again i thought very bright on top of things do you think he will lead the mall or report go public that's what he says first i do agree with amy i do think he will be confirmed he was a very good attorney general under a very good president this is a different time i think it may be more of a rocky road for him but he said things yesterday that i found very reassuring and i think donald trump must have found pretty troubling i mean he did say that this is not a witch hunt contradicted the president he said the motor vessel gave should be allowed to continue to its conclusion he would not fire robert muller on a smile or did something criminal basically and to your point larry that when the report comes out he will make sure that the congress and the american people get to read the report and rudy giuliani doesn't get to edit it first now i love hearing that i hope i can believe him i do believe him but he's got to make donald trump

a little uncomfortable. amy the house has repudiated convincingly steve king and while the republican who has demonstrated whether say still are the to nonwhites should the persons be got about this. i would like for president trump to congratulate congress on passing this resolution against congressman king and larry i can reveal to you number of years ago i interviewed congressman king on a radio show that i had in washington d.c. and he made racially in century remarks to me not realizing that i was black and when i informed him he of course became very nervous and anxious and his producer or rather his communications director asked if i would go to lunch with mr king so that he could apologize to me and i said sure and i suggested that we meet at the smiths which we did a restaurant washington d.c. that's historically black i have long been an opponent of congressman king i think

he's a racial art arsonist i think he's poisonous and i agree with republicans like mitch mcconnell and lynne cheney and kevin mccarthy who say that he should find another line of work get real how do we get on like the bill. well one thing you got elected with a lot of help from donald trump donald trump bragged about the fact in the oval office that he had raised more money for steve king last year than anybody else i was one of the first old kevin mccarthy has not asked for steve king to get out of congress mitch mcconnell did and liz cheney did kevin mccarthy stripped him of his three committees i don't think that's enough i think they should have booted him out of the house but my question is about steve king why did it take so long for republicans to do this i mean you can go back decades and find incendiary racist comments just as amy knows this is steve king this made throughout his life saying that no nonwhite ever contributed anything to human civilization and among other

things and the other second question i have is why steve king and why haven't they condemned donald trump who has also made some racist remarks particularly after the charlottesville as we know branding all immigrants from mexico rapists are criminals. seem kings an easy target donald trump's a tough target they want after steve king are free to donald trump guys amy was all we going to see in it when's the shutdown going to end oh boy larry i don't know any better than you do or bill or even the rest of washington lindsey graham the senator from south carolina has said that he thinks the sides are dug in he's trying to bring together a bipartisan group to fund the government for three weeks on the promise that there will be discussion about funding the border wall and finding some sort of compromise but it seems like both sides think that they're winning this thing i don't think that they are i don't see how this ends other than through compromise which has even been suggested by the washington post editorial page five point

seven billion dollars for the border wall which by the way we already have seven hundred miles of so this whole argument that it's immoral is just silly and belies the fact that democrats have voted for border barriers in the past in return for some pats legalization for mine. who are brought to the united states illegally by the their parents through no fault of their own i think that deal seems reasonable i think there are a lot of people who want it but you need to get democratic leadership willing to get on board and have this discussion not nancy pelosi saying i'll give you one dollar and that's it that's not negotiation you know that's absolute as well wait just a second here there is a solution i mean you started out right the solution is to reopen the government the government has nothing to do with the wall the the only reason they're tied together is because of donald trump's stubbornness and ego so the solution is as lindsey graham said as mitch mcconnell said before the first of the year or the solution is reopen the government and then during that time maybe it's

a month maybe it's three weeks to go shape border security that is a solution republicans in the senate are for it but mitch mcconnell won't let them vote for it democrats in the house and a lot of republicans on the house are for it and the only person against it is donald trump the miss mcconnell says he won't even discuss it until donald trump says i'll sign it if you pass it that does not leadership batman robin amy holmes will thanks i always love having you on piers robin and checking out that channel and thank you viewers for joining us on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things and don't forget use the politicking ashton that's all for this edition of politicking.

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