for one was clam and there was action but what does his legacy have specifically to do with what's happening between corporate interests who may have to dispatch books was quite interesting because actually the relationship between clem and winston was very close in fact they because recently published a book about that and it tells us the relationship was even closer than i thought it was and was disappointing is that jamie corbin doesn't want to go and have a chat with prime minister. about what we could do to get out of the bricks trap that we were in the moment be interesting to see how it pans out why do you think then that most people would think of them is a mortal enemies of directly defeated churchill i mean they had their political battle obviously that they both wanted to be in front nine forty five they both wanted to be prime minister but recognised it last but they were close and they were. a member they've been the pair of them in prosecuting the war for

four years all of it was together working as a brilliant. that friendship with. started long before the war it wasn't going to go on down in the hospitals i got people who who are bash across the chamber and often difficult questions and when i was a minister they'd ask me difficult questions that the name of the game ok well i know the papers have been released you voted for terrorism is deal but yet we had the former head of m i six richard deal former head of all u.k. armed forces would go three saying the deal you voted for would in danger national security you weren't swayed by such eminent people first thing to remember is the role of hassles is to advise legislation in additional check on the executive and a source of expertise is to the house of commons to decide which way we go and use their experience and little difficulty in doing that. but our job is once they've

made the decision we've got to make sure we make sure that it works that the government's not abusing its powers that when we get a settlement about how we're going to do type approval for you to get a lot of them yes we're going to get a lot of them whether we've got enough time to do them was another matter but we will make sure that it that it works a little girl three zero is your colleague of the woods yeah i know him very well and the goal of respect for him i think there was something in what he says in that we don't want to get sucked into european army but not being the decision making process that's something to be avoided. but clearly post there will have to be a very close security and defense relationship with e.u. partners nato is in some difficulties. and we've got the trump problem. we not only because all war all the whole problems we've got the trump problem. which is a nightmare as embassadors london wouldn't describe it as trump probably would you

wouldn't know because he has a point you buy from but trump is quite rightly asking very snotty questions about defense expenditure of the european nation particular germany massive economy but it only spends one percent of g.d.p. on on its own forces well as with. yes of course we cook the books a bit but no doubt they do that as well look we're going to have to explain to me what a fully formed divisional deployment is that's where you've been talking about yes and. i asked the question last week about the capability the u.k. has to deploy division against. division when we cross the start line in iraq was twenty five thousand people is a huge organization and need a lot of logistics support there are very few countries that can even deploy at brigade strength three to five thousand men. out of country after country we can do

it emergence can do it the french can do it and he's presumably the chinese and the russians the chinese and russian in the chinese can do whatever they want because they've got the economy to do it but a my concern is that we should be able to deploy at divisional strength against a peer. best effort we don't know what weaknesses we've got because we haven't tested it we have last time we had a division deployed for maneuver and deployment very largely fully formed and supported which means through the logistics was nine hundred eighty nine deployed who is the peer opponent that you keep. that. was mentioned in particular ask yourself fifteen is a plot way of saying russia is not friends who will prepare for war with russia know what we must do. deter any possibility of that occurring so nuclear weapons aren't enough of. craig bradley former chief of defense stuff made really important

point if you do not have enough conventional capability you mutely trip why is set far too low and therefore if you take the baltic states said the government's policy is absolutely correct we've got relatively small forces we haven't even got brigade but that's all you need. but supposing russia did do something in the baltic states not immediately likely but supposing they did. and we just had to walk away from you couldn't respond with used nuclear weapons i hope i hope you know exactly exactly what but the point is you should be looking at the point is that if your conventional capability is too weak your nuclear threshold is too low i want to get more into the camp sensing of any kind of conflict between the rusher in britain in a second but eventually forces in britain arguably britain has lost the wars in

iraq libya afghanistan syria. iraq presumably with maybe afghanistan with the kind of divisional deployment you say is essential but britain has lost every war isn't. the difficulties first of all in in iraq we very successfully got regime to collapse and i took part in the operation and. in early two thousand and three we got the regime to collapse but then we dismantled the security of the shimada than mold it to what we wanted. disbanded the iraqi army and then wonder why the whole place collapsed in afghanistan there's been another horrific bombing this week killing i don't know how many obviously there are no negotiations former enemy. libya a catastrophe in north africa or leading to refugees across the mediterranean and syria clearly this government to resume wanted to overthrow the government of us

and that failed to. but those were operations. first the choice of persons or perhaps if you look to history books would be very cautious about afghanistan the contrast with the operation literal person the book is quite interesting because in the balkans we had barely a high nato to densities and therefore the bad guys were absolutely unable to get up to any mischief some say i didn't maybe a gram of that compared to the tens of thousands dead or injured from say the war british war in afghanistan and iraq and these are all these other words d.w.p. said twenty one thousand british people were killed or died waiting for welfare in the war fighting at home the numbers dead no way bigger here because of policies like that. anyone kind of on the potential conflict with russia we should be doing as russia is deterring them when i voted in the referendum one thing that i

consider is what does putin want me to do and i did exactly the opposite you'd want you create and leave you so i thought i think i'll vote to remand putin is controlling your. reading i may get a german when point here and saying that if twenty one thousand people died waiting for claims here the numbers of dead at home caused by a economic war far greater than any perceived threat from russia but the snag is we're spending more than double the u.k. defense budget on social security we're spending one hundred thousand million pounds on social security. and yet i still see these people sleeping rough in westminster tube station but you don't see an economic warfare of home like say a soldier i don't regard that as a cabinet and you know we're not talking about even doubling defense expenditure but a lot of people committed to saying we should be on three percent well on the recruitment

yes at the moment eight thousand two hundred short of the numbers in twenty ten just think clearly young people don't want to join the services you don't think it's because of these failed wars abroad the is not making the severity of the part of the difficulty is that. we're not doing there's a freshened anymore and that is slightly causing the problem with full employment in full employment record levels of employment so it's less attractive to go and join the armed forces also i think. the pain conditions. so the number of factors making it difficult to recruit a serious or a problem is recruitment well you talked about that first of all the numbers the other problem of course is that the recruitment. operation is being privatized by

capital and given to them call capital i have to say to put them on to the not recently we're running into control over it. first in the out of the. world it's not so much the campaign about ministration and i have one potential officer complained to me about capital and that they've been the system at the moment is being good to kill us about. medical conditions particularly. and i complained to minister level i'm going to sponsor ministers on the case and then a few weeks later i had to report to minister privately i got another one almost exactly the same story said the mechanism is flawed and there's no doubt about it they must be losing good people because you try and join the armed force and fun it is too difficult get messed around and walk away and be

a banker instead but i think you after the break stories of the so-called zombie government after on president scales of defeat form a coalition of office minister norman baker and consultant to the well to be a daily mail and tell us what it's like. to have going on the ground. so we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. let it be an arms race. very dramatic to follow only. exists i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. you know world of big partisan law and conspiracies it's time to wait

to be deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. terminal debt build up and no amount of economic activity going forward will ever provide the tax revenues sufficient to pay down the step we're past the point of no return we've gone through the debt looking class this means only one outcome that central banks will continue to print to keep the interest going on this insurmountable pile which means wealth and income gap are guaranteed to increase

which means the g.l.a. show movement is going global and the global insurrection is upon us and that's a guarantee. welcome back you would arguably not know it if you listen to mainstream narratives on t.v. this week the decisions by juries are made that austerity is over and not true according to jeremy cool with all the un but what happens when cool bin raises poverty in the house of the. the un rapporteur on poverty says the government is mississippi courage very it's very telling very telling indeed that as soon as i mention the report of the un rapporteur who said the government was in a state of denial about poverty in britain sure am please start dearing tell that

the people queuing up at food banks from a corbin is and the jewish leader of the opposition has let anti semitism run riot and. i am turning our eyes weaken our security and our economy and we will never let that happen. corbin arguably explains what the country feels isn't it the case mr speaker that with every other previous prime minister faced with this kind of defeat last night they would have resigned and the country would be able to choose the government that they want. but elites in britain arguably will do anything to stop german corbin being prime minister whatever the people think joining me no stranger is former home office minister norman baker and consultant editor of the daily mail andrew pearce welcome both of you so i guess andrew first why why hasn't she

resigned why she wasn't going to promises don't tend to they cling on for dear life and mrs may will cling on for dear life as only she can having said that it's the worst defeat in parliamentary history in ordinary times backbenchers had ministers would have to say but we're not in ordinary times we are so close up now to d.-day a march twenty ninth and if we are going to leave on that day there's simply no time to replace or isn't there will in ordinary times because they think german corben will win a general election that will have to be the tenor of the confidence debate this week i don't think many people even on the labor pension scheme jeremy called them win a general election and i'm sensors are going to hate to think there's a lot of labor peace i spoke to dread the. the chain reaction because they say it because they don't want him to win because they think he would cause such profound damage to the economy nomen time and time again on the confidence of confidence motion that was we can have a general election because look at jeremy colvin so that's like saying jeremy corbin would be prime and i think that was going to be news lying to take for those

who got deeper worries about their own party as a matter of fact look jeremy corbyn a six points behind you pin the polls against somebody to hold they're going to be an impulse but he has been behind us last october six points behind but in the lead right well he's not massively ahead of us ahead in the fences government the most chaotic and devised divided government for ages labor should be ten fifteen twenty points only made up twenty percent last time so the labor always and well it will be a landslide the key here is on who is seen as the best prime minister and he is still streets and high treason maybe arguably the worst minister since the second world war there norman once a second referendum blindly saying it displayed a majority arguably in the country saying this would be dangerous for the whole of the idea of democracy in this cause dangerous to democracy is that we sleepwalk into a deal which is possibly worse than your interest you have at the present time which is what deal is she's having discussions for the m.p.'s now and apparently her red lines are all in place she's not prepared to talk about delaying all tickle fifty

should not prepared to talk about a referendum if she doesn't want to cost and i mean what is she talking about other than trying to persuade people to have had a position adopted but it's been rejected by the most comprehensive vote in parliament in the last hundred years well and what does she mean by negotiate i wonder jeremy corbyn didn't mark and i think if you analyze some of her options in the commons this week she's left the door ajar for extending article fifty because even if they manage to get a deal through which they can in its current form there's all sorts of legislation has to go through to so i think almost certainly there's going to be a delay to article fifty however you go to persuade the european union twenty seven countries there's a cogent reason why it's going to be today. and she won't and that's not to be to try to get that deal resold unless of course she comes back from brussels with that piece of paper about that wretched thing called the backstop some form of legally binding power surely surely the euro craps in brussels mrs merkel has countries

about to go into recession want to have a deal because it doesn't suit them either your value on your mother negotiated in brussels she she is arguably i got as good or worse that the main narrative on media here is. called when should have agreed to give way to theresa may and walk in there and start negotiating with her why is it called principled. all day the other day the labor m.p.'s are saying we want to have cross party talks and then the clear him from number ten was given up with him because he says shamelessly opportunistic what leader of the opposition isn't seamus opportunistic that's the job so finally she opens the door and sitting there for a man says no he should have just gone in even if you only spoke for five minutes at these in my red lines and it's a gift for the conservative party because the narrative now isn't the worst prime minister since history since records began it's what an earth is the labor party to to and he's got profound difficulties behind him when that no confidence debate was

going on and michael gove wound up that debate for the government you could see the irony is on the labor benches because they know this guy isn't isn't leading them on the europe he's just sitting back waiting for the tory government to screw up right they're doing that pretty well so that's not a very responsible position for the opposition well known we had figures from the d.w.p. that tens of thousands of people have died waiting for welfare how can germany call bill negotiate with a brain minister who's responsible arguably for the deaths of tens of well these strange times and wind up agreeing with you blair which is not something i've normally done. it's a prime minister ask you to come in and talk to you then you do so because because you have to put your position and. as under says i mean it's just i don't goal of epic proportions but jeremy corbin not to do so the next day is right wing press they couldn't believe their luck called was all over the front pages as doubling candidates were actually what you should almost believe their hands to be every day you know what i mean he left it wide open he should be going in there as yes n.p.

did as a lib dems did actually go in and say this is what we want to table i don't reach the main or the only them leader get out of the talks with you as well and he got credibility by being seen to be responsible in doing talking to her but angie you noticed something strange about the summing up in the no confidence speech indicating more serious splits in the labor party was short thought. to the person winding up jeremy coughlin would be his great ally the man who's the key to this whole cauldron project john mcdonnell the shadow chancellor in fact he was worn down the front page almost as far out if you almost where the speaker sits which was very strange in the debate was wound up by the deputy they believe to. be no supporter of coleman he managed to get through a very clever funny speech that meant in the leader of the opposition by name and i just wonder now the cracks between the chart shadow chancellor and the labor leader are beginning to grow and trust me if

a leader falls out with his chance or shot in china that's got profound issues that it's going to have and resume going on really well they do you work for trades we have the home office but with the right thing to do it i mean are you surprised that she's managing to triangulate all the elements in the house of parliament what has been doing throughout has been pretty interesting conservative party first is what just a tightrope between the pressure to relevant on one side and there are major elements on the other side and the whole thrust of her policy on the go stations the bit about the conservative party holding together on the she can't hold together she has for the country she said that you can't hold a recent blog. to go they are completely different you should be in different parties to be honest with you bill. it's held together and that's what's driving her but you know the reason may is incapable of listening to other people outside a very you know there's a real you know shouldn't do anybody actually you worked with well you don't listen to deliver it she objected to your argument unlike unlike other toe in the home office down the road unlike other dignitaries who recognize what

a coalition she wouldn't do that she wouldn't just generally people half the time with little to hear them should a tin ear for for other views and she just plow straight on down this track and you know she doesn't let she doesn't learn i mean the catastrophic last week she has to change her position and she's trying to just keep the same position going into discussions it's not i i have no trees or maybe twenty years and i still don't know anything about her. but i do know one thing she is famously incapable of delegating and it's not just because norm was in a damned if you would dedicate she doesn't because she doesn't trust people she trust phillip the man from c.n.a. who she's married to and she trusts except for the visuals you know. quite right too he's made money had no problem with that. but she doesn't trust ministers because they all want her job and that's part of the problem and there is a bunker now in number ten and there's just a few people in it so i guess predictions are pointless activity. and address i

mean we're we're covering austerity more than anything else which is continuing behind the scenes well this is going on away from the actual personalities here i suppose is the end of the conservative party now you know people always say this about the tory party they were screwed over this they cannot speak since the corn that was in one thousand nine hundred six or whatever every it was they will manage to hold it together because they've got an incredible disciplinary. vision of how to win an election they know if they split that they're out for a generation the split is much more likely to come to my view on the labor benches i think you're going to find people like chuck muna who want to see. if you choose they believe an art to remain a forming a new parliamentary grouping. yet blairites yeah facing decent action there was for about three or four labor m.p.'s i don't know what they did in the compensation last week about the whip withdrawing from them they could join this creeping that's

where the real problems are i know that's not the big story in terms of how we get briggs it through but that's where the splits and more not to come i still think we're going to leave the european union but i'm no longer convinced it's going to be amount to twenty nine and just review norman as for the remain as you don't think they are being seen more and more as an elite out of touch very rich people i think i think helen people are very keen to present it in that way but i think there are many people who are i mean i've got to get out people on a super eight who are taking a whole lot of flak for something she seems to seriously believes in but in the public realm whether it's j.k. rounding or whatever it's a very rich people telling britain and they over his very rich it was a resolution about how people communicate messages and certainly about the referent two years ago there were the remains campaign communications question was not right and not effective and didn't go to the heart it went to the head rather than the heart and it wasn't in fact you doing is getting worse not actually worse but i think there is a need to make sure that there's a. consideration given to the way that the arguments been to does not necessarily

been as effective as it might to be needing the break so it would be bigger if there was a second river and i do i think it's possible but i still think that's the right course of action to take we have to look if you don't fly by a flat or rent a flat you go to the flat you say i'm interested in this flat i think i'm going to rent this flat and then you get the terms conditions they will use also for the rooftops for the ball about their next doors cat needs to be fed and you're going to know about that when i want to plot a so you say i want to turn conditions to about no other want to fight any more so the difference between the principle and approach in detail when you see what the terms are and i think the honest way forward is to have a vote where you present the package that mrs may is negotiated against as i think . it's now you do understand that. he said quite clearly on that piece of propaganda that was pushed through my door and everybody else's door join the referendum a cost of nine million pounds only pushing the case to remain this is a once in a lifetime vote the government will support it the lib dems leaders at the time said they would support it they're only doing this because they lost the battle has just got to get together and try and make the deal work people don't want

a second referendum in my view and the longer people like tony blair and alice to campbell his henchmen come out saying we should have a second referendum the more the support would drop and you're pissed it would break thank you very much and that's if the show will be back on monday to the death of news and reporting from was a veteran journalist for the member of parliament well until then he was the treasurer media was your money ninety five years is a day of a definitely. seemed wrong. wrong just don't call. me. out to stay active. engagement because betrayal. when something find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

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