on of the e.u. i.m.f. financial control what is ireland like some might find this predictable because it's repeated across the arland as one of the richest countries in the world you know almost eight hundred thousand people are living below the poverty line one in three of those in poverty are children one hundred two thousand are in paid employment lone parents are one of the groups most at risk of poverty of one parent families experience deprivation so is it time for ireland to join the u.k. and leave the e.u. trust business t.v. to cover the story here's david cameron's former adviser steve hilton on whether should leave the e.u. i think they should i was a great greatly in favor of. that it was important for a country like the u.k. . it's just not in the culture and they seem to like my experience with the irish seem to like europe more than. the british i think money has got a lot to do with it because island gets more money from the e.u. and it pays into the well let alone ireland where the yellow vest movement is now

taking hold governments are arguably also in chaos both here in the u.k. and in the us i'm now joined by the b.b.c.'s former chief washington correspondent and once independent member of the u.k. parliament martin bell his new book war in the death of news from battlefield the newsroom which recounts his time as a war reporter in vietnam in the middle east. and northern ireland is out now martin thanks for coming back on you begin the book on the fields of occupied cyprus this week turkey saying brics it may affect the u.k.'s role as a guarantor power maybe some people may not even realize it is where u.k. troops are right now stationed you or your books as u.k. strategy in cyprus was a disaster i know this from personal experience i was a squaddie along in cyprus of one thousand nine hundred seventy nine hundred fifty nine and. colonial was disastrous and i think in one thousand seven hundred four when the turks invaded we were gallant tools of the the in. grieve but then what

did we do we were treated to the solvent base areas so i think it was a national disgrace and so you foot it was the governor of cyprus and i was a squaddie later lot keratin agreed it was a national disgrace we have nothing to be toggled in our record in cyprus but one thing even then as a sporty you say you learned to disobey orders from above in the army and you say that that's a skill essential to journalism sometimes the skill is not to hear orders you have to say reaction learned a lot from it and i put a lot of that in the book and part of that learning to disobey orders relevant to the fact that you say you quote if i quote democratic governments cannot be relied upon to be truthful or even competent. well we know i'm living in the united kingdom in this century in an ungoverned country and i spent four years as

a member of parliament about twenty years ago and we had a governed country then and we were able to change our governments every four or five years now we seem to be stuck in a state of total immersion in a. remain who believe in the european ideal a complete i'm completely flabbergasted and actually last words identify where to turn but no one's saying it's not democratic other the. the referendum was an experiment in democracy we don't often have a referendum in this country now the point about our parliamentary system is that if you don't like the people you've got in the house of commons then you have a chance to change them the thing about a referendum is you were stuck with it and i think we're now in the darkest predicament since the second world war as a result but you can understand why calls to usually to resume feels despite one of the biggest defeats even the biggest ever defeat of

a prime minister she doesn't need to call a general election there she doesn't need to call a general election but if she's going to take us over the precipice then i think we have a right to take a vote on the deal that's been negotiated to do we like it don't we like it and the palm and should be sovereign i'm hoping now the parliament is just beginning to take control. well i will be with her it will be anything like inquiries because you talk about. and there was there were have been inquiries into cyprus oh yes you know which you have looked at what your recusing british governments of and we had former u.n. officials rushing through a lists are saying five thirty five million maybe killed in india by the british is it predictable that inquiry is a whitewash is not predictable and not inevitable are right and not by book about an inquiry into a particular death of a number of greek cypriots killed by in which there was an inquiry conducted its by

the lord chief justice of cyprus subject book and he criticised the military he criticised the wild horse and i went back to the documents they've now been declassified and he then agreed criticisms were taken out of his public report so there is a clear case when there was a whitewash yes so you can then sympathise with journalists even cover these inquiries of their source information is redacted. i do sympathize with journalists i was one for thirty three years. i think they're in a peculiarly difficult position at the moment with the attacks on the press national international even local it's hard to be a journalist now than it ever was before and one of the points i make in the book because i've done something like eighty eight wars is the sort of journalism we did

in which you went out and found things out and reported them is not a longer possible try to cover the conflict in syria you have a very high chance of being kidnapped ransomed and executed likewise afghanistan because some people also say it's very difficult because of the violence it's difficult financially i spent a lot of my career. africa from nigeria and governments of somalia wherever there are very few correspondents in africa now not only because it's too dangerous in the ungoverned states across the belt of sub-saharan africa but because editors don't care anymore there are there's no interest people people switch off so there was now carrying on with the conflicts you've seen what happened in in kenya what's happening in somalia the six year war in south sudan and the continuing

conflict in democratic republic of congo we had nothing of the digital design hundred years since paris nine hundred nineteen the paris peace conference the war to end all wars of the in the treaty or verse i tend to regard versailles now as as looking back on the on the map changing decisions that were taken there with the collapse of empires the autumn and the longer they are stronger and it sounded more like the the war to begin or wars where you see a straight line drawn on a map shall we say look at the borders of iraq it was drawn by the british and the french likewise in africa and some of the conflicts that we have dealt with recently the iraq war was one of the wars in africa and other diffuse was lit way back invest in the one nine hundred ninety well i think most b.b.c. journalists mainstream media journalists so-called would say part of respecting

these international tribunals respecting all of these things is about impartiality mother guillot and probably not mentioning much these days you have a great deal of. support for her in this respect yes martha gellhorn was the probably first and preeminent woman or reporter unfortunately she's remembered mostly these days for having marriage only. similarly she should be remembered in a right. as a as a an independent and fearless journalist what she had no time for on the one hand this on the other hand that only time will tell i've almost trained in this in the b.b.c. you give equal time time by the stopwatch to troops in full suit i don't believe in it anymore in this book i set out the case for what i call the journalism of attachment which i warmly recommend to you on r.t.

it's journalism that cares as well as and i was and will not be neutral but twain the victim and the aggressor because with glee regulated as broke as it is by off the hook as you were by the i.b.a. and other institutions is we could do it you just well actually we can so long as it is fact based and i think what happened to us in the referendum campaign is that truth and false would but balanced by the stopwatch equally so the full senate has had a clear run i think there are lessons that we can just learn from the. well. we divide so from off the morning to now we want to add to divide and that you say daily that the b.b.c. is history shows it's independent of government control only until such time as it's not whilst you do celebrate say you green house the mill and greg dyke both those three very good directors general i think gregg diapers

a best we ever had and he left over there in iraq or he was forced out but it shows that the independence of the b.b.c. as i point out in the book is independents only up for point and any direction journal there is if you overstep the particular line he's going to lose his job the b.b.c. is a broad church as i hope that r.t.d. is as well. and inside it it allows a degree of independence to flourish and you see i never tried being a political correspondent since by early days and i could really i was given a wonderful freedom beyond the rim of the civilized world everywhere from angola to there now but if i'd been the political editor in westminster i would have had to be much more careful what i said freddy forsyth your namesake in the book he's been on this are talking about biafra better known as a thriller writer but it was a he was a journalist he resigned and as you say in the book it's difficult for people to

resign when they're being told. no well told not to save lives is what you seem to be saying thirty four size case is absolutely fascinating index to how the b.b.c. was he was sent as a young reporter in never done a war before he'd never been in africa before he went to be africa in one thousand nine hundred seventy the his reports from there was hotly contested by the british high commissioner in lagos on the other side who required to him to be withdrawn and the b.b.c. was so pathetic then they did withdraw him he was reduced to the rank of a general reporter which is what rank i held and a very bravely resigned he and i did great politically on anything but i do solutions coverage but on one particular war you your bosses told you that you couldn't tell you couldn't call people catholics in northern

ireland even when the homes being burnt. they were being burnt out of that they were catholics this was the early days of the rig nation of the troubles in northern ireland i'm speaking here of august one thousand nine hundred sixty nine it was thirty one years old like i should have known what i was doing we filmed the catholics. taking the possessions out of burned out of high winds which have been checked attacked by protestants overnight and i felt the presence of the b.b.c.'s control in all that island behind me in the end it for me said martin you called call them six they got to be refugees but i wrote it down because it was one of the few occasions in which i've actually been censored did my own network and in my own country and i sought to discuss for the time what is equally disgraceful of course is accepted the censorship i didn't resign i wanted to live to fight another day mustn't i'll stop either for modern beloff of this break.

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max keiser one more of my guide to financial survival this is. a device used by professional scallywags to earn money. that's right. not accountable and we're just getting more and more to the. global economy you need to protect yourself and get informed as we. welcome back i'm still here with celebrated war and belmont's in the advent of twenty four hour news you go through it in the new books b.b.c. i have always hated twenty four years because it shows more than these numbers. when i was in washington with c.n.n. in the one nine hundred eighty two i didn't like it then i don't like it now. it's mostly correspondents being interviewed by all knowing and people in new york.

but my case has been extraordinarily we couldn't play it because my daughter melissa is now the c.n.n. correspondent in paris so i'd be careful what i say and she had to go really well and you're on a twenty four hour. i do have to ask you one thing about john pilger he does appear on this show you say he's shrill as pre-cooked reporting. sure everything's pre-cooked there's no innocent when you come to a story there is no innocent but i think it is possible to go into a situation shall we say a conflict like the one in vietnam not knowing what you are going to find when you get there now john i nearly got jumped ilja killed one day i'm sure he remembers it you say you saved his life i say his life we were. beyond the front line and you

know you'll be on the front lines of the highway one in vietnam when you find a village with no people in it and no chickens so i did a chop. and we got out but a photographer who was alongside us travelling separately got got killed and that night in a bar in saigon i got beaten not by one of his mates in this melbourne herald also we're going to stroll about the valley about i mean one of the extraordinary anecdotes in here is when it comes to embedding you talk about a bagel sebastian rich calling in the us just as strike tell me about this i was with sebastian ninety three nights ago he defected from. to join us he works with me in bosnia wonderful self starting guy he worked for n.b.c. news in the invasion of iraq in two thousand and three one point if with the bunch of us marines on

a bridge over the euphrates and they come under fire well he's got more experience or warfare than anybody alongside him so it's actually suppressed who calls in the air strike into very dodgy moral tertiary with embedding they're very dodgy and you reproduce an entire. report by tom newton dunn of the best selling newspaper in this country the size. embedded in iraq why did you. i don't attack many people in this book i certainly didn't attack tom newton don but it just happened when the beep when the british forces up to disappeared from their bases in basra it was three am one day in two thousand and six the only embedded reporter was told you don and i can be repeats his report without comment he regards it as some kind of a triumph for the western allies will judge himself but embedded journalism as

a whole it's got to be done the it came out of the fiasco of media relations in the falklands war in one thousand nine hundred two they had to be a better way of doing things the newspaper in is the t.v. bosses and the enmity came up with the idea of attack in the next war the next war was even see this is a conspiracy in response to vietnam because the vietnamese the reporting of vietnam so did destroyed people's beliefs in the vietnam war in the united states i think the americans had a different experience viet nam's the first full day of the last and then later conflicts the invasion of grenada and panama which happened more or less the same time they kept the pro side completely so as a leader a commonwealth country head of states of magic made by the united states. so we had to come up with something different and it gives us a degree of freedom embedding but it also gives them

a degree of control it's not perfect either the first world i actually have and no i gave the front i'd love an accreditation card to the serial number of which is zero zero one so i was in at the start a government employee no journalist journalist operating under censorship but actually the sense. in that case was never applied so i kind of have to fend it it's better to have that the new alternative which is nothing at all because your reporter lage dorrans in vietnam this is i've got enormous amount of stuff in my book to my discredit one of which was going on an agent orange mission this is the poisonous chemicals i mean babies being born in south viet nam to this day with birth defects as a result of it i should have reported it as a war crime but i didn't and maz evangelists of writing

a book of the kind that i've written you've got to be honest with yourself and i made a terrible mistake i made others i was a witness i knew the israelis in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight were destroying the biblical village of him else did i report it no because if i had i would have had by a critic taishan withdrawn and beat friend out of the country so if you're the sharp end you do sometimes make compromises but towards the end of your days you have to admit the mistakes you made what do you think of big multinationals like microsoft introducing software into computers that will tell you whether the news your source you're looking at is real or not so it'll stop it'll say don't trust r.t. trust fox news trust voice of america don't trust wiki leaks. i'm not a big brother sort of person but i don't want someone from a multinational corporation telling me to watch fox news but not r.t.u. all the other way around on

a pair of gods and solves that alter i think people can be relied on to judge for themselves by common sense where but at the same time the spread of fake news does worry me enormously and i don't think we'd be where we are but for the internet and where we are with the internet worries me a lot it's like a sluice gate putting all kinds of false it into the into the public domain that's good too perhaps happier times less control the department of preconceived notions washington correspondent there you have ron reagan the difficulty i had with the b.b.c. from the eight years of his. presidency was to convince them my clever educators there's a man with one starred opposite a chimpanzee on television could be an effective president of the united states he

was a wonderful communicate he surrounded himself with smart people and better design people butchering salvatore's look mistakes but i think let me quote barack obama barack obama when he was president said he sought reagan and more to alter the trajectory of american public life more than nixon moved employer a car bomber who destroyed libya and of the things happened things happened then go on me. he said u.s. t.v. reporting was much more tightly controlled than anything that you would have to say about criticism of the b.b.c. which i think our u.s. colleagues would say whatever it is. you call it the road at zero the foreign correspondents and if you'd worked as a war reporter against or into collaboration with the americans. so he said i could

say what i liked what it was in my head to say they i would watch them do it which have to email or action a. script to atlanta on your york it was called script control in order to get them approved they had no feet they were paid ten times as much as on those we had learned freedom whatsoever when you became an m.p. because you're left broke during the what has been written about how you ended up becoming an m.p. . since you were a former independent m.p. able to tell me what is the speaker's role in the house of commons you say as he boothroyd the speaker was helpful to you today to raise a may is looking very poorly above john bercow the speaker is the most important member of parliament and he's always or she is always a member of parliament. i was very lucky for a mess of my time betty boothroyd when michel martin came in i was completely

silenced the speaker has the power to reduce any member of parliament to silence but one of the speak because functions is to allow the backbench of a voice and i think burka for this falls has been doing this she certainly did it given that power it's no surprise in the way and tourism is not amused by giving that voice to backbenchers the an amendment to break that negotiation deals i think there has to be some check on the power of the prime minister and it has to be institutionally in the commons i'm not a huge fan of john bercow i think he's overstayed his leave by a few years but i think he's he's right to challenge the power of the fund industry yes and going back to your days as an m.p. jeremy corbyn you. be there speaking in the behind you didn't have no suspicions he

was going to. be the no suitable eyes to sit on my little crossbench there's a very independent bench you can speak from it there is one seat facing the speaker below the sergeant to tom's i look start look up top left and there behind the paneling was jeremy corgan i mean he was involved in me that he was rebelling against his government i was a free voter anyway but nobody pays you but blind bit of attention and i was amazed when he later became leader of the labor party i have never foreseen. well if bracks it is one argument going through society corbin be the first to say one of the biggest issues really facing was he supposed twenty zero eight sterrett. what do you say to the accusation that you let george osborne and or of david cameron's johnson to bring the austerity to the blight across this land going into the ice we have i should explain he took over your career took over the top and constituency which i had previously represented it's just i go around the country for much in

the book during military charities whatever the only hall style question i ever get is why did you ever that juggles for the house of commons well i didn't what happened was i promised the virtues of thompson in one thousand nine hundred seven i've been so them for one term and once i made it so i need to get twelve thousand tories on my side and of course i kept my my promise and then he applied for the seat but if he hadn't got that it was then the second cd applied for he was in the he was a new trend here at the time now he's the color member of parliament anyway there's no it will fall just finally lots of advice to journalists at the end of the book at the end of the biographical piece is what has been the reaction from should i say mainstream media type journalists i think the young journalists understand that it makes sense of them from time to time to lift up their eyes from the little screens in front of them the content the wider world and i give them useful advice

never read off a computer and you talk about what you're now about never believe atrocities stories it's mostly common sense i say and i recommend it to watch. michael bell thank you that's over the show we're back on wednesday just speak to one of the new famous us democratic intake from the november's us elections is trying to tell boil plus this it continues until then you just by social media will see on wednesday twenty one years of the day that pope john paul the second condemned the u.s. embargo against cuba. but there's someone else living inside of me controlling my body.

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pretty simple you can almost wish away no deal. you say the european union or you had a deal this really does feel a bit like groundhog day. manic monday the prime minister how much home the message that the best way to avoid a break said no deal is to vote for her deal right the maid looks to run the m.p.'s in parliament instead of offering an alternative plan for the divil. the taliban says it's behind an attack on a military training base in. on the stand that has reportedly killed one hundred twenty six military personnel plus. you believe the president right now has been agent of the russians yes and i think all the arrows point that direction i haven't seen a single piece of evidence that he's not. taken.