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hello and welcome to crossfire consider i'm peter lavelle buckle up and brace for impact trump introduced a star wars two point zero and calls for impeachment russia gate into trees and get . some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have he's a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and we have dmitri bobbitt she is a political analyst with international and german crosstalk. in fact that means you

can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated mark let me go to you first hear we're calling this program a star wars two point zero on the back of it the release of the missile defense review of two thousand and nineteen how different is this from what was called in the one nine hundred eighty s. under ronald reagan star wars yeah i don't think there is a lot of difference except for maybe the immense sums of money much sums of money i mean that's been snowballing over time anyway so reagan's strategic defense initiative which. the u.s. spent an enormous amounts of money on and resulted in nothing more than forty four in the ground based interceptors in alaska according to the most recent news on coming out of the l.a. times investigations have said thirty four of those probably have faulty circuit boards so not much out of that and the u.s. has spent another three hundred billion since one thousand nine hundred three we haven't they haven't got much the so forth but it makes military contractors really

happy but i don't necessarily like star wars two point zero because it's just not trump ask enough i've got a nother branding for you in order for the space force to have a real mission they have to protect a hashtag space war all space for picture i mean you know in researching this. topic and i came across the same numbers as more almost no one mentions a treaty a little known treaty that was signed in. the tenth one thousand nine hundred sixty eight it's closely called the outer space treaty or formally treaty on principles governing the activities of states in the exploration and use of outer space including the moon and other celestial bodies and i mentioned that we looked arising space has been agreed that we wouldn't do that and i don't even think about of course this new initiative would be an egregious. why.

and we have seen essentially a result of not just in that time but mutation but starting with even the bush administration to withdraw from our teachers that were part of the deterrent in the seventy's and then teachers that were already concluded after the end of the cold war were during the final years of your story and that informs in the us or so in two thousand and two the bush administration with us from the a.b.m. treaty that was concluded in one thousand seven hundred two for russia it was very obvious that the next step whenever it would come maybe in five years maybe in ten years would be that withdrawal from the i and after each year which is what we are seeing to the because what did that with all from the a.b.m. treaty two thousand to do essentially those positions those bases that the united states constructed in paul and in some other major me they can now be he used not just for into missile defense but they can also be used to crowds those intermediate and short range missiles that would have

a very short time to fly into russia so russia from that point on from two thousand to two steps asymmetric steps to counter those american initiatives the whole concept of mad mutual assured destruction it is being deconstructed now because gave a very good menu of all of these agreements that came into effect or are being abandoned and we have the new start treaty mark two thousand and twenty one that will come. with no talk about having a new treaty or this looks like the destruction of this principle of mass destruction which would only insure destruction where people should not be deceived by this war defense you know i think our president point brilliantly it's all about a first round here on bellew self himself on his intentions let me quote it. it's new technology it's ultimate. going to be

a very very big part of why would you fans and all of our office and of quote so and again let's talk about the costs you know to put one kilogram of equipment into space you need to spend at least five thousand dollars and you will need to pull tons you know follows on the jets which each of them weigh what we could even if they did all this mark would it work well that the as absolutely no guarantee that it would work whatsoever first of all i hate to jump on victor right away anderson back but the outer space treaty does not in any way prevent the militarization of weapon of position of space all it prevents you know you can say that goes against the spirit of it but all it outlaws is putting nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction in some place or not these are weapons of these. bones of mass i think it's more than i think it's more than a quibble can i bombed could be considered

a weapon of mass destruction and has ok i mean i think if you look at the fine print it's conventional weapons that are allowed to be beamed into space but not weapons of mass which we don't know nothing as in the easy resigned between the. growing that you and when it was signed in one thousand nine hundred seven i don't think they could have been visioned any of these type of weapons that are being invasions but you know the weaponization of space is already happening did you know that the u.s. the u.s. air force and darpa has a secret military space plane the x. thirty seven b. that has spent years in orbit at a time with no exactly what no explanation of what it's doing up there it's well known that nasa is manned space program has been funded right where that was shifted is a military unmanned space program run by darpa the u.s. air force the x. thirty seven b. and this is a reusable unmanned military space plane that has spent years in space and no one knows what it's. and up there it was launched the last time in september of two

thousand and seventeen and it's still up there ok but what's important here is that you know we've discussed here what you can probably get in the mainstream but how is russia you looted to russia and were warned that it would asymmetrically respond to this and in this. missile defense review two thousand and nineteen russia is specifically singled out along with china north korea and for some reason. it was that it was to be my johnboy to say hey you know cold across the aisle make sure you put in iran. the how does this change the security architecture here because it looks like the obvious is a arms race a new one it's actually voices are right on point why is it happening right now because basically the washington she used. to teach defense initiative it's worked

not because it was effective as a weapon system in the one thousand the it is because it was given to august because it forced into a very expensive arms race and it forced the soviet union into some even into some teachers that were probably not very beneficial to moscow and. now believes that without precedent if it worked then why not try to do the scene again but of course russia and their stance what happened in the one thousand the nose the consequences very well and this statement that he acted not only is he acting differently but there's we want to set it up to clear in the weapons systems including supersonic weapons systems some to be those that have extraordinary range are such that the emir can say you know what you are going to be on the spot here we had last march president putin during his address to the nation he unveiled a number of weapons systems in your mind are these offensive weapons. or defensive

these are weapons that are needed to assure the mutually. assured destruction. but just. because it's your turn i don't want to hear it's reminiscent of the digital distribution for strategic and it is what keeps us what keeps peace on this point to the are don't think it's period i think it's just dissuasion because the numbers that we can mention like six may so seven we chose russia does not want to be able to destroy the united states what russia wants is to have two or three four five missiles that can hit the united states cannot be intercepted no there isn't one which is not you it is not and that's why russia has an arsenal one of the largest one of the to learn just nuclear arsenals in the world to the because if enough people you know what it is your reaction to this isn't going to russia. that's one of the two largest nuclear arsenals in the world and why you got it why does russia do that because it understands that if the american side if washington

believes that it can destroy russia but at the same time only have several cities destroy it then act in doing that is absolutely needed and there is no large enough so that your opponent will not undertake the only documents and fears that a couple years ago about talking thinking the unthinkable of a first strike and it seems to me that this is a movement in that area of victor just said there where. actually avoiding any kind of damage on the american side where they would be able to destroy the entire arsenal here that is good that's that's lunatic thinking but it seems like it's being thought about they're actually both right russia does have an enormously large arsenal but it also wants a select number of small impossible to intercept intercept missiles at the same time and lets the skinny the this new u.s. missile defense review calls for putting only sensors it doesn't talk about interceptors at this point in space. whose primary purpose will be to detect

hypersonic missiles from when they're launched and to try to intercept them at the boost missile stage early in their launch now why did they do this because it's a reaction to russia's and very quietly china's the ploy meant of hypersonic weapons which the us is still ten years behind in that race now why did russia and china build hypersonic missiles because the us unilaterally pulled out of the anti-ballistic missile defense treaty and started trying to put missile defense all around the world whether it works or not russian military chinese military have to plan ahead on capabilities it will most out of time by this bomb here with this. shield or wall as you said in space while with that cover all of american allies in the world as well now do you want to cover all of america if you would that's billions billions of dollars kind of like to imagine no mind you know really you

know there's only dollars notes of national hind with not to support allies an easy eastern europe but only france gentlemen i have to jump in you are going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with us. what politicians do you should. put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or some want to be preached. to the right person this is like the three of the people. i'm interested in the.

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saw a thirty percent rise when asked your home with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and bitcoin rose to twenty thousand dollars. china is building a two point one billion dollar a i industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only numbers you need to remember is one one this will show you can't afford to miss the one and only boom bust. countries gone into a nihilistic fever that's why i think they've got to hit the road and get out the traveling across america to find what makes america take them to charlotte janus the genius this is the quintessential american hero this is it we've come a point around which alan would have done something we always are on the margins someone called the culture as a parting. shot. we're starting last with is

going to head into the swamp we're going into the belly of the b. i think i want to leave now getting more ground. maybe played a little. welcome back to crossfire we're all things we considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you discussing some real news. ok let me go to demon here you want to finish up our conversation from the first one we talked about the elyse and i think it's important you know let's take the example of and there you know the allies in issue one trump announced he was walking out of the treaty there was some criticism from germany from france now that surprise surprise there's a there was a meeting over the forty meter in the spermy zero and there was a sudden transformation and they issued this statement seen russia's violation of

their enough treaty to roll to the foundations of affective arms control and undermines the security side of the trump is again a nice person for them what do you mean there is britain someplace and why is this new see this is why the fact that a lot of the iranians are trading off will not threaten russia or the united states because it's intermediate range weapons but will make it to europe targeted really shows the limited severing to looks like for germany and a number of other european countries the even when they hear of their own position that's different from fundamentally different from washington's it's washington's line that even. the europeans themselves of course they don't have i think you know i think it's not going in there and would say you know what you go basically the europeans stick their orders from the disciples of obama and hillary clinton and these people i'm sure they're not going to walk in the congress the stopwatch they're going to vote for it and the same thing with europe suddenly would have.

young stoltenberg nato secretary general was critical to build just on the us to stay days ago suddenly in december he says there are no new american you say most in europe but there are new russian mishaps suddenly russia is part of europe well that's. actually not true and second it doesn't mention that launchers which are prohibited by the treaty u.s. launchers they advocate for one launchers that can fire tomahawk cruise missiles are going to europe and there's another thing i want to this is that in one thousand just said one about an hour and it was signed all important and why all of the soviet union baltics and you could not imagine the bold exclude big box of nato they are part of nato but still don't. see if nothing to do the one of the reasons that's being cited by the time for the new station by the white house for withdrawing from the i.m.f. to the chief is that there are new powers like china that have these intermediate range missiles and the they're not within the within the limits of their states and

but in fact when this treaty was signed in one thousand nine hundred seven before that for years moscow was telling the united states that and the different powers like france that's right and the keys i'm curious here where they have those intermediate range missiles and bless include them within the hour and have to see what was the action no so paris and london were saying we have independent. support so it's their fault but it's gone full circle because now the russian position is that why don't we have an international agreement for all these other kind of six russia but he did that at that time and now the united states seeing footage of the. this we have on one hand we have the cold war architecture of mutually assured destruction which kept the at least the peace at least from a nuclear conflict in the cold war and keeps the peace to the others and we have the the post there the uni polar moment he was drafted of privacy and that says that usually assured destruction is no. longer acceptable and that's

what missile defense is all about it's not the idea that the u.s. can shoot down every russian or chinese missile that of course even in the trillions of dollars they'll spend for the space while won't do that but it's about first strike capability to take out not only the political leadership in the cities but most of the nuclear arsenal as well and then the purpose of missile defense is to eliminate the residuals that are fired back the counter force to an acceptable damage to satiate he's going to be the most awesome dr strange that if you want to go for all of that is that. creating cheap missiles in numbers with the coreys will always be cheaper than missile defense the us proved that during the cold war the a.b.m. treaty of the us you know larry pulled out of each allowed the soviet union in the us to put up missile defense in one spot the us put it around their nuclear command

launch center and right at the soviet union put it around moscow they put sixty some. missile defense launchers around moscow so what did the us do to counter that they did the same thing they targeted moscow with more than one hundred warheads. using that pressure to get to pressure they adversely because if they ever see believes that. washington for example has the capability to attack without adequate response then you can pressure moscow for example or other powers to do what washington wants them to do it in diplomatic political military terms and in other terms that's what it's about first and foremost ok this was announced by the trump administration but the trump administration is in a lot of trouble now we had this. buzz feed fake story coming out we had the mole or. people come out in saying that was the full story which is remarkable

because that's never happened before. we have the government shutdown we have this confrontation with congress when i was it was all expected here we have the translator interpreter excuse me. the congress wants to tear him under oath here are the wagons being circled around the trumpet ministration now. i mean the whole story with the wall and with these trees and thing it shows how capable he is more than western that he had any sort of compromise but the same story everywhere with bragg's it and the negotiations between the u.k. and a little bit yes. gass with the i will west now between trump and the chorus and also between drawn and you know the deep state that still wants to impeach him they could not forgive even when we do expect them to do so i mean the french and germans they're. the incapability to compromise that was shortened by europe and by

the united states in the fortress like a rock in the voices like leave here in the places like syria it is coming back to their internal politics and because asians are just wild i mean like trump says the radio left can never control our borders i will never let it happen who is ready to go left nancy pelosi in. the same story we're. against him he is he is a traitor he told put in something and he should have secret me ok who knows mark and big you both have made predictions whom you go to big to right now. will he survive this unlikely to survive for we talked about this before and infecting peach mint may not be the preferable option to remove him for the american political establishment the certainly do not want a long protracted impeachment process in the cowards then the constitutionally

mandated trial in the senate and is not one to sit down quietly and take it all he is sure to respond in the spawned in all sorts of ways that would be destructive to the american political establishment weekly would be has his own attorney general and what the sequence of events that they would prefer is let is like that what happened to richard nixon where a bipartisan congressional delegation comes to essentially to the oval office to the white house and tells the president that either he goes he quits himself by himself or he will be forced to. they're much less comfortable conditions and that is what is likely to keep now but that would assume they would be republicans in the senate that would go be part of this. bipartisan an issue to know your peter you are exactly right and there is but there are some political calculations that

could make the republicans that you public in maturity in the senate join the democrats in the house in this white because they are to dash security their political calculations to because they know that two thousand and twenty new elections for new presidential elections are coming in fact their star can't stand right now if they believe there is going to be so toxic that if he will pull the information that he will pull the party down then they choose to have him be pleased with pounce and go from there are two words for you neo con oh sorry. yeah i mean this is what trump has to keep in facilitating putting them in his administration giving them policy preference to the neocons because there is more than enough neo cons in the senate to defect to the democrats we all know who they are they have already done it to give you an example of lives let's say for some reason because there are a lot of good reasons but the reason it's a trump fire is john bolton with be

a trigger for the deep state in their neo con fellow travelers because essentially that would be a reason that trump is a danger to national security or that with all the war it is there whether what he does or doesn't do it may. make the process quicker faster or slower but it's almost as if he has a terminal illness and yes he can t. he can do chemotherapy and that may prolong the process but the final result is well known i think you are the first to say he had the ministration his experience in chemotherapy. i'm going to stick my neck out there and disagree for the moment i think that with all these new investigations and indictments that the house to short to launch the mueller probe will be dragged on but it won't cost money in anything that they feel is necessary as long as trump keeps toeing the line on

foreign businesses are you mentioned. the mueller probably actually dismissed the ports that was bizarre robbery of the reports by why did they do it because by dismissing those reports that it was anyway to come out that those reports were false so the miller investigation actually wanted to increase confidence in its own workplace showing that it's interesting if this thing you know says it then it's not biased that's the reason that they actually came out and said this article no it's false it's not true because now they can be now that democrats can see that miller investigation is so i'm biased that it will even go on what i found. was not the buzz feed did this because they have a long history of putting on fake news but i thought it was very interesting the buzz feed said they stand behind their story and it's incumbent upon the bugler people do to prove them wrong i thought that was i've never heard of anything quite

like the story is that they are really approaching the world in great danger because all of these back channels which they find and destroy or they pretend to find and destroy they saved humankind several times during the cold war you know the soviet union had these capable and so that in washington unfolding to bring in who when the crisis happened just talk to a few friends in washington he explained to them what moscow is really opt to the explain to him how far they can go at that time to end it was not a back channel in effect. by the very idea that you just drop it right here you are right i got it i got to go guys here this is all going we have a really thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment. stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk.

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