after giving evidence or something as normal practice within u.s. law we spoke to a friend and former colleague of the journalist who was in contact with a family. matters is being detained under a controversial law yes it is a law but the material witness law has been deemed unconstitutional by new york appeals court and it where the court has said it's been misused the a.c.l.u. and human rights watch of talks about how since nine eleven this law has basically been used to detain ms muslims indefinitely without trial in essence on a fishing expedition and i think that whilst we hope there is no indication that he is going to be released today but we hope she will because the courts have said the sorties the government has said that once she's finished being a witness she should be released. and why were her civil and religious rights violators have a job stripped of her had

a mug shot taken without her her job and she was refused to allow him vegetarian period effectively denying have food in the initial days of detention no one has been able to speak to apart from to the telephone conversations with her family she does have the counsel but we don't know what this this case that she's a material witness for is about we don't know why the children have been subpoenaed there's been chief phone calls with the children in the fast the children are very worried because as i said she explained the civil and religious rights violations in the second call she said that those had now been regrets and his oldest son believes that is because of the media coverage and because of this outpouring of activism around the world in support of mass. and against her arrest . ok if we may let's collude i'll be back let's meet up tomorrow evening eight pm oscar time for my next shift in the main trial my colleague and isha sesay will

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hello and welcome to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter lavelle another russia gate bombshell fizzles this time it was buzz feed this prompted the intercept to write beyond buzz feed the ten worst most embarrassing us media failures on the trump russia story has hatred for trump destroyed the profession of journalism. cross talking the media i'm joined by my guest him black in washington he's a political analyst commentator and host of the tim black show and in fort lauderdale we cross to john cardillo he's host of america talks live on newsmax t.v. all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate tim let me go to you in washington. when i. heard

the. the buzz feed story break i just waited for it to be debunked like all the other ones and we could spend the entire program and then some listing each and each individual one and who did it and why it fell apart and so i was very gleeful that it was debunked because it was a short amount of time and that mahler did it on top of that there and then watching cable. primarily the more liberal stations tried to explain it on c.n.n. we got this from jeffrey toobin on a panel the larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president and they're willing to lie to do it and i don't think that is true well when he said that i said jeffrey toobin that's your right and i've been saying that for two years and if the

question is and i said in my introduction it's just the hatred of trump made journalism dysfunctional almost irrelevant now go ahead tim and one in washington yeah yeah i agree well i agree first of all thank you for having me peter happy new year to you yes you're right jeffrey toobin he said a true statement that was a very true what he just said was that fake news he's absolutely right that they are descended greatly to the public trust in fact this seems like more of a race to the bottom of public trust every time one of these stories comes out peter. a great poet the late great my idol she said when people show you what people show you who they are believe them and people are starting to believe that the media the corporate media is pretty much full of it peter and they're starting to lose trust in it and i understand exactly where their cups were you know and they go and we go to john in fort lauderdale this is chris cuomo on c.n.n. about the buzz feed quote moeller didn't do. the media any favors tonight and he

did one he did do one for the president i mean if that doesn't show his open box his right there i mean that the thing is that i look at this and i look at it only as an exercise and i don't watch very much of it because it's very very repetitive it's not fact based and it is a lot of it is just ideological platitudes but he's actually showing what the what c.n.n. and amisom b.c. and others are like there is no self reflection is there about their behavior and how they see the world go ahead john and for a lot of dough well no you know i look at anybody who's going to worry about what freight oh chris cuomo thinks is out of their mind anyway but what he said is part of a bigger problem a larger problem right it underscores it cuomo and the rest of his buddies over at c.n.n. brian stelter the m s n b c crew they automatically assume that anyone who is even

perceived to be anti trump is their ally there was this expectation that robert muller was going to do their bidding by implying that maybe there was some weight to the buzz feed story which was not to look too anonymous sources but as you know peter peter carr mother spokesman comes out on the record he says there's nothing here it's completely wrong furthermore rudy giuliani a guy that's been out there beating beating the hell out of miller and his team agrees with them one time and says look i've spoken to miller's team as have the president's outside attorneys the other outside attorneys we all agree there's nothing there but speed got it completely wrong the mainstream media by the way still can't bring themselves to admit buzz feed was wrong they've got the reporters on the reporters are saying well our reporting will bear out to be true well maybe it was misconstrued but we don't really know what muller knows maybe his spokesman is doing the flexion to throw trump off the problem with the mainstream media and.

jeffrey toobin was right even though he was doing it a backhanded way it's time again time after time they discredit themselves and this week was a great week for them they had the buzz feed story and then this native american diet hacking those kids they were debunked within minutes i started on the buzz feed story earlier ten minutes after it dropped even wound up getting a retreat from president trump when i said i told you all the buzz feed story was nonsense i mean this this is so transparent but isn't it sad that we're at a place where we have to doubt the media we have to doubt every left leaning journalist as to whether or not the book it's not even if their sources are accurate peter him it's if the sources even exist you know it's one of the it's a go back to. him you know i mean i don't know how many of these. shells of fizzled i'll a few dozen at the very least here they always drop in one direction though don't

they it's never been the other side and so i'm willing to allow and because i work in media i can understand when an outlet makes a mistake and you go out you come around said we got our facts wrong we're out we apologize to our audience i'm going to be more careful but it's always in one direction and there is hard i mean then they take it off the internet they try to delete it everywhere and and then they don't learn from it they're just looking for the same mistake to be made again because it's there do it with such ideological glee and this is tim this is what's getting them in trouble they're ideologically blinded because of their hatred now i am a conservative i don't like everything donald trump does and i do criticize donald trump but i do it based on facts ok not because of my ideological tilt go ahead jim. you're right it does it does appear to be just coming from one

direction the false stories of stories that don't exactly pan out to be what they claim to be a sort of. representation of buying a view of who are you think is a good deal because it could all be flat out it's a limit part of that is not so much about the liberal or of the conservative i go i think it's more about profits you know what a sixteen c i did made an extra of extra ten million dollars peter john to million dollars on a trial coverage and they want all of the second presidential debate then they so. were forty times more than what they usually would sail so you put the you put to what sort of gathered you get for and which you get is a review of this focused on profit that focused on accuracy i just got looked at that's very true i mean i mean trump is a good brand for the liberal media ok but to play and that and that i can understand the bottom line i don't have a problem with that per se ok but what i do have a problem is it is debasing journalistic principles because we have fake news ok

all right that came out as a result of the election but now we have something that is like acceptable fake news if it is if it is a political to your ideological goal go ahead john well and i tend to spot on this is all about profits it costs a cable operation millions of dollars a month to be carried on the major cable operators if you just cable forget broadcast right to be carried on a comcast direct t.v. dish you're spending millions of dollars a month well you need to create theater straight down the middle news is no longer that profitable it's not going to sustain those millions a month in carriage fees it's not going to sustain the production teams you need to go out and do the research so all of these outlets are playing to their own echo chamber we've come to accept that and i think the smart consumers of news get it but there's still an expectation of honesty like you peter i admit i'm a conservative commentator. but i bring people facts statistics exact data i look

at it through my bent if i bring up f.b.i. data about black on black crime sure the left is going to hammer me and say well those numbers are accurate but there are societal and sociological causes for it fair that's a legitimate debate right but but i've had commentators on the left say well those f.b.i. numbers are lies because the f.b.i. and law enforcement is corrupt and they lied about those numbers you can't debate from that position because it's a fallacy from the outset so it's fine to me anyway if somebody has a political bent we know c n n n m s n b c r laughs that's fine present your data through that lens but at least do it honestly that's what's lacking that's the point john and we go back to t.v. i mean honesty is the point here i mean because apparently not honest ok we saw that with this story with with buzz feed and what i would really bothers me is that i don't i don't have a problem wearing your you know your politics on your sleeve that's fine as a matter of i actually respect people that do that ok but tim i mean just claiming

that you know they are down the middle and were neutral and were fair or i mean that is just being intellectually and morally dishonest tim. you know like i said like us there before peter i just believe it's a fact of economics i mean if you really want to get to the crux of the matter you've got to go back to ninety ninety six jhumpa good stuff bill clinton for passing the seller communications that allowed that works that was five used to be six to zero ninety percent of the media so that's where the problem lies there's no diversity in the coverage and people have to play to an audience and i think that's really what the culprit is i don't think that the folks at m s n b c care too much about bashing trump they don't dislike drop they just love the money from trump remember when obama was in office and we heard all this talk about obama's tailored suit i mean they talked about that like it was big news there they were debating john mustard on obama's hamburgers that he was america that of your you know the

mustard that didn't work because hillary said you got to have hot sauce put it so like this was the thing the whole thing would obama you know so it doesn't matter who's in office but the aggregate them chosen with donald trump is negativity and that's the problem is to john's point it's not about the substance of the policies i like policy debates they debate about trump's personality and that's that's not going to win me vote exactly exactly that i'd say he did so well he did so well done steak air now he's a russian spy i mean the connections they make are are simply asinine and bizarre well well because they say he should have never been president and they still can't get over it so they said oh you know i mean it was those those cuban cricket see you know they were being run by vladimir putin in cuba you know and then people believe that they believe that kind is the right gentlemen to jump in here we're going to go to

a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on media stay with ard. what politicians do you should. put themselves on the line they did accept it or reject it. so when you want to be president. some want. to do right. this is what. you do the. interest is in the.

welcome back across the uk we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the media. ok let me go back to john in fort lauderdale i agree with you in the first part of the program we're talking about the bottom line in a trump is a good money machine you know hate trump and you can make money but i think there's a it's more. there's more breath for this here and i think that we see the cultural divide come out so much on cable and it's so condescending i mean you know trump went through you know the real estate wars and the tabloid wars and new york i mean he's got a really thick skin ok fine ok i don't agree with everything he says i don't agree with everything that he does ok however the way the media treats supporters of the president i find it will quite disgusting to be honest with you if they it's

demeaning it's condescending and in there they show that they're morally superior and that's what really gets on my nerves when i watch m.s.m. b.c. and c.n.n. go ahead john in fort lauderdale. well look that's exactly i mean think we have we have a nation of three hundred thirty million people right two twenty two thousand twenty two hundred twenty five hundred counties in the united states but if you look at where news is created it's new york washington d.c. to what extent you're kaga what the advertising agencies los angeles with media and in the in the hot season south florida palm beach in miami all liberal hotbeds but more importantly peter it's the same people they just move around depending on where it's cool to be so you've got a handful of people in the grand context of the population of the united states in these four or five places that all have contempt for what's called me slider of a country right so they look at the sixty three million americans who voted for trump as these trog luddites these neanderthals who who you know just want to go

out there and shoot anything that moves and they they hate people of color and they hate jews and they hate muslims and and they're an educated and ignorant because these elitists this handful of elitists in the ad agencies the newsrooms these editorial directors news directors they all go to the same cocktail parties they all go to the same dinner parties and they mock the rest of the nation when in reality the rest of the nation is as educated they make very good money and their common sensical they see through this nonsense well look the media elite with a grasp on the message can't have people seeing through the veneer so what do they do while they're terrified they're nervous wreck so they resort to ad hominem attacks they they try to insult them and degrade them so that other people will want to move away from them and hang out with the cool kids at the new york d.c. l.a. cocktail parties the internet has been an amazing tool to smash that veneer right

because now there's so much content and they're debunked in real time if the internet didn't exist that buzz feed story would have been taken as truth and used an impeachment proceedings the mainstream media is hysterical peter there hysterical. they can no longer send out the message they want to send their debunked in real time the truth is getting out there but it's what you say they have contempt and disrespect for mainstream america and mainstream america is rebelling to you know tim in washington they just don't understand half of the country they simply are out of touch with it and i think the most important thing that probably happened other than what was done to bernie sanders was that one speech that hillary clinton made is that deplorable and i think that that energized i knew a lot of people in the us during the summer leading up to the election and that was what i kept hearing over and over again did you hear what she called us and the media echo that in the media is it is they call conservatives and

members of the republican party that they use a dog whistle all the time when it comes to like issues of race but when i watch c n n n m s n b c they are the dog whistle it's over and over and over again they are the one that plays as they are the ones that divide people and and this identity politics is just on steroids which most of the country at least probably half of it i could i could i understand it but i don't agree with it and i think it's condescending to individuality and personal choices ok they know nothing about me but because of what i look like they know everything apparently i think that that's the definition of jim crow itself go ahead tim in washington. yeah you know you're going to see this happen right as we move it's what it's already where people are looking at people like her as if they're going to be the new coming of obama it's

me she is just more platitudes and more identity politics a look i don't care what color a candidate is or politician is what i care about is all the policies actually go to be effective at long last to make a long story short they really really is no policy points that are directed towards the people but they give us these platitudes like the talk of the black folks who talk of the gays it's all going to lead to those to a lesser extent but where is the substance in the policy that will actually benefit these people so that's what we have a problem with i did it in politics is they use it as a mechanism to attract the voters because we know that the black population are the most loyal voters of america they vote that the percent for the democratic party but what do they get out of what did they get one of my objectives what if they get there what did they do and that's you know that because he'll be because they you know he'll be a traitor you'll be a traitor if you decide on your own you must go with the pack ok or you're a traitor to your party that's done quote unquote so much for you ok let me go to

john. the stories about trump are just endless ok i mean by the time we get done check twitter i'm sure there's a new one but remember when trump was he had a what was it a football team at the at the white house and he ordered out a fast food which i thought was kind of hysterical i thought it was funny i like the pictures i thought of it it was if you know it was good nice touch i mean for donald trump it was a nice touch and then he talked about salads and then for like to happen new site he says saks is because he said his wife might be able to fix them up a solid i mean i don't understand why they spent hour after hour talking about that kind of thing that doesn't make it better people's lives all it does is shove down an ideology down people's throat and it's in its is a form of virtue signaling which doesn't pay for a meal ok it doesn't go ahead john. that incident right at the clemson tigers at the white house shows how out of touch the media is with america most of america

likes fast food they like burgers and how out of touch are they to think that a bunch of high school football players would be offended that they had burgers what their billionaire president used dug up with porn stars i mean these guys were loving every minute of it and that shows you how out of touch the mainstream media is right i mean he's people have no idea how normal americans live how normal alpha males in their twenty's who just won the n.c.a.a. football title what you don't want to act and where they want to be the players loved every minute of it america found it in deering and down to earth and it was a really good moment for the president for the white house for the team but a bunch of soy boy beta male elite essence got all in it to z. because the you know the nutrition the calorie count wasn't properly labeled on the burger and oh my god he might have gotten chick fil a and always a massage and it's raised but i mean this it's so ridiculous that we're left we're laughing at them out of it i'm not i just think if someone's in an airport and they

see this program to see the i guess we will trigger someone someone will be triggered what you get program. to me i don't know or agree or disagree was cold cold it was cold who was cold fast food a couple of the you know what a code burger. there's nothing worse than cold. look at me and i'm sure you can i'm sure i'm sure there was a c.n.n. correspondent there and their hair was on fire and it warmed up to burgers ok don't worry about it ok these are tough guys are these are tough guys ok more seriously. what is the state of journalism because it looks like it's just advocacy that's really what it is you know they all do their lobbyists ok some of them have a pretty face some of them can read it. you. you know some can even ask some questions but i mean i don't see any real quality coming out as matter fact i just

see first for power way too often go ahead where you know well what that computer you know george orwell once said that journalism writes what someone doesn't want you to print right so that would be the case but he didn't mean you could make it up as you go along being he didn't mean you could have various sources or listen very anonymous sources and see he did mean for them to try to make money off of donald trump and forget all the facts so yes you know journalism is taking a big hit right now blame us the blame the liberal media the corporate media but i look at fox news too and i wonder if they just try to balance it on a couple of spots loses the most successful news program see it into their message b.c. got their pockets turned inside out with cups in their heads i think they're really want to live in it i think it's all across the board you have the same problem i mean but let me let me let me add something little catholics is going to hang on hang on gentle i'm going to say in fairness you know tucker carlson is not exactly

the same is hannity and laura ok. ok there that i see that they do have a balance there though i mean those are the three programs that i watch at fox so it does cover a lot of area go ahead john in fort lauderdale you know it does and i agree with both of you but here's the other issue right even fox is missing something on fox's best night best night barring debates they get about five million viewers well sixty three million people voted for donald trump what are the other fifty eight million people watching that's a question i ask myself every day and what content do those other fifty eight million people over ninety percent of the trump voters that aren't watching fox news on its best night where are they what are they watching and what are the current networks the current cable outlets the broadcast outlets lacking that's that's preventing or causing those fifty. a million people i know i go i think i have an answer to that i think a lot of people more and more so people are watching podcasts on you tube but it's

very and if you're if you look at the hits you know your program and you know it's alternative like to me and john both of you here and cross talk to you is well we do pretty well people are being turned off by these this corporate message that is ideologically directed in one direction here last last few seconds go to tim go ahead. thirty seconds go to you peter there also watching they are also watching their paychecks there get to their bank accounts get smaller and smaller they want to do just gets it overseas that also motivate those those voters that just what they want to do in the news ok gentlemen that's almost run out of time here but one thing is for sure the way the russians what russia gate is done to journalism i have to wonder if it's ever going to recover as all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in washington and in fort lauderdale and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. next time remember rostock was.

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