political commentator also in new york we have jason nichols he is a progressive commentator and democratic strategist and in los angeles we cross to goodman is a columnist and journalist published in the huffington post salon the hill and other publications right gentlemen cross titles in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it jason let me go to you first because she comes from your wheel house so i'll let you take a strike at first she calls herself a democratic socialist i mentioned that in the introduction she claims the world as we know it will end in twelve years and before she was became officially a congresswoman she said that she would be a knobby rated and she would start signing bills are you very confident that her understanding of democratic socialism is something america needs or wants go ahead jason so again i think she misunderstands democratic socialism versus social democracy those are two very different things i think when she talks about trying to go towards the scandinavian model like norway and sweden and other

countries have done that's actually social democracy that's not democratic socialism so i think she has a misunderstanding of a few things but her overall ideas i think are positive i think she is a fresh face i think she's a positive president presents for a lot of the older people in the party who you know operate with politics as usual we needed someone to shake things up but i think she's a great presence ok you get a very good defense of her she certainly is inspiring and she seems like a nice person to know and when she when they try to denigrate her with her dancing video i think it only grew her the people that like her i thought was a young person having a good time wow is there something wrong with that today let me go to let me go they didn't let me go to a.j. in los angeles what's your take. because she seems like a nice face for the party but are the policies the right ones for the country go ahead in los angeles. well speaking of the policies congresswoman

alexandra kayser cortez promised to abolish ice she promised medicare for all she promised a green new deal fifteen dollars minimum wage free tuition these are all ideas that need to be drafted into legislation congresswoman cortez has not she does not have a bill that she's drafted so that tells me that she's not serious about actually implementing medicare for all and that leads to the fact that bernie sanders was cheated by hillary clinton the congresswoman cortez knows very well that democrats cheated bernie sanders they stole two hundred million dollars from bernie voters which is why jerad back elizabeth back in an eco house waged the d.n.c. fraud lawsuit then democrats blamed russia with quote unquote evidence that was linked to money from hillary clinton in the democratic party and so you have

a situation where this new class of progressive. people in congress they are essentially doing what many pundits on t. y. t. on youtube do what c.n.n. m s n b c what a great deal of people do the actively deceived voters by saying medicare for all is going as right around the corner and then when alexandra kayser cortez's in the congress she is not pushing medicare for all education there is no bill that democrats are uniting around their low ok and ok ok given that you know years maybe they're not going to run again maybe that's what let me go let me go to steve first and we'll make it a free for all here steve i mean you know. she she's very important that it ok and i kind of echoing a little bit what ha had to say there i mean these are nice words and she's emotional and the meat liberal media loves it i mean her last public speaking you

know people have to take responsible well when is anybody in government ever taken responsibility for anything i mean their words are nice but you know and it's very naive it has a has a nice gentle touch but the country has hard hard problems and really difficult choices to make and she's certainly not suitable for at least you know so far in who knows maybe she'll be elected president one day i don't know jump in steve go ahead in new york. well well as you alluded to you know she's planning on signing these bills not drafting. so maybe she is waiting for the bill to come to her death so she could cite it i mean she's the gift that keeps on giving my goodness if this if this is the face of the democrat party bring it on you know she's one of the very few democrats who keeps voting against reopening the government the bill that keeps passing the house over and over again that nancy pelosi bring up you know why

she said she didn't vote for it she won't fall for it because it finds ice in the. rationing customs enforcement she wants to abolish ice you know what a radical idea that is the reason you'll never see substance from her and real bills is because if she has to draft legislation the price tag the radical in this if you will of her views will come out and be there on the record instead of this violent face on all the late night talk shows they'll be radical substance and people will say whoa that's not good ok jason i'm steve steak it is to the point where i want to continue i mean you know before the midterms you didn't have a lot of mainstream democrats talking about the abolition of ice but now you have more and more. associated in in the establishment here i mean to what degree is she as a person and as a media personality which she's very good at ok she's good on twitter i've been following her how much is she polling the party to the left and is that in saying

with what most people in the country want go ahead jason in new york. i think it is i think. eighteen and in the midterms we saw the american people basically there was a referendum on the direction of the country and i think people are becoming more progressive and you know i think when one of your guests was saying out there in l.a. believe it was a j. was saying look the country actually wants a progressive policy i think it's a little unfair to say that you know she hasn't drafted this legislation yet when we have a government shutdown right now to think about and we actually are they've only been in congress for about three weeks so far but i will say that the i think the country is moving in that direction the abolition of ice i think is makes for a nice hash tag but what people really mean is a rebranding of ice meaning things need to change we don't need to focus on getting

you know the average guy who's selling food or not hurting anybody we need to focus on. transnational gangs and. human trafficking and many of the things that ice is tasked to do so this is the and i says going in a different direction right now under this president so i think really we also have to remember that ice is a new organization they believe anywhere else i saw it is the president is going after i go ahead steve go ahead steve i say under donald trump is ice under donald trump is going after fruit stand guys and not gangs my goodness here's the yes they are i wouldn't call done that's absolute truth ok there was a poll done the right right there was a poll done the other day that said hey do you favor medicare for all seven of these some odd percent said yes then when the question is asked are you willing to pay more taxes to fund medicare for all it dropped to thirty seven percent when reality comes into his proposals the american people will say no way ok let me go

to ha because again you guys who have leaders hang on hang on hang on let's equal time for everyone here i mean ha i mean the whole i didn't really want to talk about i so much but i mean again this is change the name change the image what about policy what about what they do ok because i watched the liberal media they they're given a really bad rap ok because it feels good i don't care what people feel i think we need policy to make people's lives better go ahead ha. when you look. and you look at president obama's tenure he deported two point five million undocumented immigrants and there's a new york magazine article obama administration handed child migrants over to human traffickers this is in jan on january twenty ninth two thousand and sixteen there was

a senate report regarding the abuses under the during the obama administration but when you talk about medicare for all and all these these policy ideas that alexandra kayser cortez has not drafted there's no bill that that people in congress and democrats will pass before two thousand and twenty because they're not going to go into the twenty twenty election doubling or tripling tax collections like the mckay to study said but aside from that it's president trump who is bringing home close to ten thousand americans from syria and afghanistan that is a that is a great there's an amazing thing its president trump was presiding over peace hopefully the start of peace between north and south korea these are all amazing things where is alexandria occasionally cortez where is it where any democrats saying yeah bring home our soldiers from never ending counterinsurgency war so perhaps it can pave you know ha ha certain policy ideas are not saying that you do you get the memo ha because now the democrats are the party of war ok. then they're

the party they are the party of with voting you know president romney twenty twenty eight ok that's they're the party they're the party of you're on steroids ok jason let me finish up with you and on these in this segment of the program. do the democratic does the democratic stablish what do they fear people like. alexandra because you've got it has. in your party so i think the the moderate democrats fear her i think you know there are people who are red state democrats who may be afraid because you know they have to toe a certain line i think some of the older establishment people certainly fear her you're going to see people during this election cycle this presidential election they're all going to be seeking her endorsement yeah so she's a very powerful person and powerful people are feared so i certainly believe that there are people who want her out of the spotlight yeah but she's being helped by

the right wing medio can't take your eyes off i got i got to jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break why i'd like to say that i hope anyone that puts the fear of god into these people i would support to one degree or another ok we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on a o.c. state with our team. i've been saying the numbers mean something they matter the u.s. has over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten thousand dollars fine tempi each day. eighty five percent of global wealth he longs to the ultra rich eight point six percent market saw a thirty percent just last year some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and when he rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two

point one billion dollars ai industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only numbers you need to remember is one one you know bored to miss the one and only. us veterans who come back from war to tell. same stories. were going after the people who were killing civilians they were not interested in the wellbeing of their own soldiers either there already several generations of them so i just got this memo from the circulating branches off that says we're going to attack and destroy the government and seven countries in five years americans pay for the wars with them money others without dives if we were willing to go into harm's way and willing to risk being killed for a war. surely we can risk some discomfort or an easy

for. most people thing to stand out in this business you need to be the first one on top of the story or the person with the loudest voice of the biggest race in truth to stand those business you just need as the right questions and demand the right answer. questions. like there's someone else living inside of me controlling my body. the byproduct. the drug the cause like severe depression.

because it will need him until it's crazy. you know we don't have to do anything that's not our fault you know she's crazy and all that. here's. a. welcome back to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing a o c. ok let's go back to steve in new york the fact that he has been put on the oversight committee in the house of representatives tells me a lot she's good for the camera she'll be good for talking points of course they're going to be starting a whole whole array of investigations and trump is family is businesses and they

want her front and center don't they it's a p.r. move as well i'm not denying she was she was legitimately unfairly elected and i wish her the best of luck however she will be used by the party and the media steve . yes she will but that but then she's going to have to face you know her questions and her questioning her back and forth if she's going to have to face people who are polish and know what they're saying i mean that may be perceived by many as the as the bad guy whether it's the trump family or trump administration members or whomever but she's going to have to have an intelligent conversation and understand the depth of her questions and watches implying of what the answer is i mean and i got to tell you you know she will be the first to tell you that she's not up on this she's not up on that she's no expert on this and of ship that's what she comes off as in these hearings it's not going to be good for her and she'll fade away very fast well steve on that point there i saw the interview with her discussing

the palestinian israeli conflict and she really fell flat on her face on that one i hope and she did it she did a good degree in international relations it's kind of interesting jason you were disagreeing i knew you would that's why you're on the program go. salute well first of all what i what i thought was was interesting i agree that you have some factual issues and sometimes she speaks in hyperbole like her issue or her comment about the world ending in twelve years but i mean when you sit there and you say i mean steve almost had me when he was talking about you know she needs to know her facts like the trump family that's what i was like ok these are people who are people working in the white house according to bob woodward who is probably the greatest journalist of our generation you know basically said that the president's an idiot and that he doesn't know what he's talking about you know we say you know all of the generals. maddest all of them.

you know we see he's a very charismatic person he's a new york city guys so he's able to. to you know sell certain things and that is far syria i think democrats want to bring people home from syria to we just want to do it in a responsible way which is what general mattis and other people have said ok all right yes all right jason jason you're hitting a real notes we're going to real nerve with me so i think we should take syria off the table for this program here and stick with the democrats ok so let me go to a.j. here. in los angeles i mean if hillary was the one who can one could say they don't know i'm sorry that state stay with the democrats and see ok. how is put the identity politics here working out is this something the you think the democrats are going to continue to. pursue within their own party because the more they do

that than there where is the place for joe biden where is the place for bernie sanders because well there's a number of things against them they're straight they're white they're old they're rich certainly biden is here i mean it seems to me that this whole identity politics in the democratic party it's a dragon that will eventually eat its tail go ahead a.j. in los angeles. why i don't think identity politics or any form of politics on the left will ever work if you don't have alexandra keyes or cortez and other democrats speaking against the max boot hillary clinton foreign policy that says we have to oust assad we should never president obama should never have sent americans to syria that in close proximity with russian forces we don't need world war three that is the that was the worst foreign policy decision one of the worse in addition to president obama destroying libya with a failed nato intervention but the issue is this there's no push to bring americans

home from war president trump is bringing close to ten thousand from afghanistan and syria this is a very good thing if indeed alexandra kayser cortez really wanted all the lofty ideals and the policy objectives then she would say bring americans home from war we can save one hundred bill over one hundred billion dollars a year and trillions in the long run playing we're paying trillion is also an interest you know but ha you know you know what's going on here they don't want to give anything even when he's right and he's right sometimes the end he's wrong sometimes but give credit where credit is due you hit that third rail on me and i really want to stick with the with. steve look like you want to jump in go ahead yeah yeah get away from assyria you're absolutely right i know what you're thinking what you said i agree with you but let me let me move on to this identity politics so i think the republicans have missing a huge opportunity here you know with the only person was that took nancy pelosi to

task when she referred to five white men and they should open a hamburger stand steady a whole year in our own party because he was one of those white men i think that the democrat that the republican party should demand and ask people like. cortez to to denounce when somebody in their party says oh angry or all. old white men because that's racist and sexist and by remaining silent the republicans are just conceding that point when it's outrageous to me that they were allowed to just a mean white man they might as well spit after they say with a man there with a word. because i know they aren't here hang on because you can't be steve is hitting another third rail on the other side they cavanagh process that was a disgrace. the biggest disgrace in public in my lifetime ok and jason the democrats acquitted themselves in the most disgusting way and i have to wonder

where personal integrity is in america these days because when he was done what was the senator from. hawaii man should shut up know we need to talk more not less ok go ahead jason. so again like i said two words steve king and the republicans coddled a known white supremacist and said nothing the president is nothing let me tell you something george. george excuse me i'm speaking scuse me. george w. bush when trent lott said something that was even remotely. remotely racist george w. bush called it out and you know marginalize trent lott however the republican party has changed since then and they told these guys that's how guys like arthur jones and corey stewart run as republicans even though they're known white supremacists

this is why you know you have white supremacist descend on washington d.c. but can say hey all true but you know until the public can say nothing about you know that's that's what's problematic the problem what's problematic here is the debt democrats said something about it the democrats and the left always play the race card now they always play the massage me card now it's clear that's the they're that's the flush they hold in their hand because they don't have any good ideas to improve the life of people all they do is i want to run the state race you're right what is so poor massaging this they don't that's all you do that's all i hear from c.n.n. and twenty four seven ok they never talk about policy go ahead you decide what. the way to go about that isn't. that jason you know that hillary clinton hillary clinton. he's obviously not going to lead jason respond jason jason will go well again here's

a here's an answer to that is for the republicans to stop being racist and massage honest if they stop doing that then people won't have to call it out and we can actually start having conversations substantive conversations about how we can better things for all americans but that's not what they were ok we're going to we're going chasing our tail. ok i don't believe that donald trump is a racist whatsoever i don't i and and again coach and then you would people like you jason with all due respect and i always like when you come on this program here you are people and your circle of friends who are willing to destroy a man's career based on no evidence after seven f.b.i. investigations and you still said you want to delay and you want more investigations i wish hillary clinton would be really investigated and your word i'll use instead of being connell that's ok ha go ahead jump in. it was hillary clinton president trump who referred to black youth as super predators

hillary clinton also spread a photo this is according to the guardian of barack obama over going to want to go down that road to take advantage of the xenophobia in two thousand and eight yes she actually did it with hillary clinton to serve as a lobbyist it was hillary clinton in the lead in the last. hunt and it was hillary clinton it was it was hillary clinton the other day without any condemnation who said all black people look alike nobody called her out on that in the democratic party in fact the defended her so when hillary clinton calls black youth super predators suddenly she's not a white supremacist there is nothing that president trump has said as horrible as degrading and as insulting is that the issue with the democratic party is that when it's a person whether it's keith ellison who is accused of abusing a woman nobody talks about it because democrats are

a bunch of hypocrites if it's something some no witnesses keith ellison the accuser had medical records. no medical records will cavanagh no witnesses no location no exact time but democrats were suddenly suddenly oh paul and they want to destroy cavanagh's life keith ellison nobody talks about bill clinton nobody's talks about so democrats never call out racism but it's all in the democratic party was impeached and they never call out add to semitism in the democratic party when they said bernie sanders should ok go ahead and cheat with an atheist yeah let me. know because they have the harvey weinstein doctor and on that i'm a graduate steve i want to give you the last word you've been very patient go ahead yeah no no i mean bill you can bring up bill clinton who excuse robert byrd for joining the k.k.k. at his funeral he said he had

a he had to get elected hillary called robert byrd the k.k.k. man or mentor you have joe biden who said barack obama was the first clean clean up articulate man black man or black person to run for president when many others ran before he said education is better in iowa than in washington d.c. because look at many minorities you have in d.c. compared to iowa i mean every one of these statements from a republican would have room them for a life there is a double standard. or has long been something ok gentlemen we've had a very robust discussion and we're still good friends ok many thanks and i guess the new york and in los angeles and thanks to our viewers for watching us here dorothy see you next time and remember some.

one else still seems wrong. but don't just don't call. me. yet to see. this thing come out to. and in the game equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart. she's to look for common ground. u.s. veterans who come back from war often tell the same stories. were going after the people who were killing civilians they were not interested in the wellbeing of their own soldiers either there already is several generations of them so i just got this memo from the circulated branches off that says we're going to attack and destroy the government and seven countries in five years americans pay for the wars with them money on those with dives if we were willing to go into harm's way

and willing to risk being killed for a war and surely we can risk some discomfort for uneasiness for peace. we settled for the best couple of years something back in the pits and the peace islands off there but the reality is there may still be a shit and. have it in this fine lair of micro plastics why. three. the biggest thing and it shocked me is that we've never had an empty troll. like the contents of the something of an albatross. people ought to think of and they just throw them into the water as disposal it may not be harmful for that little fish that eats one fragment

a classic but once it makes its way up to us in the food chain it's getting to levels that are harmful. to mean i mean i did you know where you are you. thought you were going over. those whom you know most of those people in yours and yours are always notable depending. on what you. please the ways the ways the way i did my best to the whites. look. the same yes. this was not. the school you. know it's not maybe it was the from.

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