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he's have long been closed when it comes to broadcast freedom in the u.k. iranian channel press t.v. is banned from broadcast here it's a channel i worked out with filmmaker lanka hashimi who has been freed after controversial detention on the orders of the us justice department in her first international broadcast interview she joins me now via skype from the u.s. capital muzza thanks so much for being on going underground before we even go towards on earth happen to you i understand you continue to say that people all around the world need to protest the u.s.a. so-called legal system. jeffrey absent great to be with you and well when i got out i understood that rally were going to be held in conjunction with demanding my release and what i'm asking people to do definitely continue with those rallies because it's not about most the how it should be it's not about me is about the ability. for the u.s.
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basically to. anyone. i would say illegally dealt they are going to say that it's legal so it's much bigger to me we want to demand a start to these actions in this country your mother just just to be clear under u.s. law anyone can be arrested who is material in a criminal proceeding and of course the usa not a signatory to the international court in the hague yes exactly as so saying that a material witness it is mind boggling that you can be arrested it did change shall cause not charge with the crime and. wow i definitely saw it firsthand just take us through it then you were i mean you know reunited with your family but you landed at st louis airport on the thirtieth of january what happened . well actually we were leaving st louis and i had been filming
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a documentary in st louis that sheen and i was there we my son and i were leaving or attempting to leave st louis to go back to denver where my other two kids reside. i was at the gate waiting for my flight. and alice and my name was called to go up to the desk which i went up to and she said to her well you've been i'm selected for early already and i'm like ok and of course i was suspicious let me just say side note that whenever i travel to the united states i am always questioned and whenever i travel domestically inside of the united states if i want to make a divest messick flight i have to be at the airport three to three and a half hours prior to anything like as he has an item as a u.s. ally and then traveling inside the united states and we turn the corner
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there they were waiting and the f.b.i. agent she said. she said my name and she said you are being detained and i said am i under arrest and she said yes you are i was flown private plane. to d.c. and then met with a whole lot of that be i take it into the f.b.i. i think take the f.b.i. headquarters. i was. my my picture was taken mug shots they took my d.n.a. with no one has read you the right no one is still you have read you the rights no one ever read me my rights my rights were not read. and i said well i protest i don't want to give my d.n.a. but they did take mikey in a day to take my. fingerprints i was held there
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a while and then transferred to i believe central i'm sorry i don't know the actual names of the facilities that i was taken to i was shackled i saw her i mean you told them you're a journalist and filmmaker. of course they know why i think investigating black lives matter movement activism in the us well now i mentioned it wasn't let me clarify that it was an investigation black white matter i was actually i did a documentary five years ago i've seen. mike brown. death here revisiting st louis city because this coming august will be five years since the killing of mike brown my scarf was taken up where the mug shot and then i could put it i could it back on for that night for you then you took a scarf off you or did they work it off at that place. well
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ultimately i took it off but in protests because they told me that i must take it or you could phone your family to tell them where you were fortunately my son who was with me trying to get on a flight instinct would just and he did not get on that flight in denver which to which i had told him to the f.b.i. i was with him and accompanied him the whole night. till he was not under arrest but only he com to my kids my other kids and told them that mom's been arrested by the f.b.i. and they're freaking out and trying to find out where i stink who is where if he had not been there if he hadn't been there your children will not lead to just like you disappeared. what i realize is how easy it. weren't them to make someone disappear. if he was not there anything didn't happen to me no one would have known. where i was and they took my mug shot without.
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and one of the guards actually says oh oh would you like a t. shirt at least you can wrap it around your head so we gel with that and then when i was going back to be taken to the other side that women's section the guy said ok you have to take that you have this has to go off your head to the t. shirt has to come off your head and i said why and she says because you can't wear that while walking to the how and i said why is nothing is allowed in your head and i said it is allowed it is against the law what you're doing signing lee gave me a scarf and that was only because that this time it was that the media pressure because it had gotten out just on this treatment of well in effect the treatment of u.s. muslims in the under the jurisdiction of the f.b.i. a lot of comments around this food question really true that they offered you pork no that was i don't know how that got out about the poor but. they offered me
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because of course there is a how loud we don't eat just any meat and so what they are for me was a bologna sandwich so i'm assuming that that was b. by this time there was a lawyer and there was a phone and there was no way there was a court appointed lawyer because i just i mean i want to own it just as i mean for all of you saying that the usa obviously press t.v. the t.v. channel is banned in britain where i'm talking to you from releases of banned in the united states because of the constitution which you presumably are referring to when you talk about the right to practice one's religion what is it about the context obviously of president trump threatening iran with all options on the table what is this context that you. found yourself in being detained without your rights being read being held without any charge of course it is the overall relations
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right between the between iran and the united states and of course with the trumpet ministrations up the ante. in trying to pressure iran it's mind boggling it really is mind boggling it is unbelievable the nonsense that they can use and take a person's rights away and incarcerate you like this i was at one point in time and she and i was a suicide watch there which i can tell you i mean i'm thinking wow. what's going on here there was actually a prisoner who was getting out that day and we were sitting together in this one room about to be transferred by shackles to the court and she and i found out i knew that someone had been sitting outside of my cell of the sutton and i was like i don't know what that was about and she says oh no they said that you were on
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suicide watch that suicide watch. i mean i'm definitely not going to kill myself. i tell you what it concerns me and she because i'm thinking well you know maybe they have something up their sleeves here. and i told her she was getting out that day and i said listen is there any way this is my daughter's number this is my daughter's number just give her that information if you can call her that they have me on suicide watch and she knows that i'm not going to kill myself so if anything happens to me it's definitely not from suicide i was treated like a price in the middle of prisoners when most of the time i was in solitary i was locked up i couldn't come out they couldn't be close to me so everyone's thinking at oh my god is this what i'm like a mass murderer or what is going on everyone else the prisoners had to be away from me because i guess they could be harmed by me so many things happened and so many
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things happen hopefully we can talk about and later. all right thank you so much thanks so much great talking to you and archie crew there after the break. after fighting for britain he's now fighting to stay in britain we speak to the family of a detained british army veteran fighting him in a secret deportation all of the more coming up in part two of going underground. in twenty fourteen a bloody revolution here to. the demonstration going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know lawyer here i mean you are liz put video through to me in the new bill is that i do split needle the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty four g. and. those who took coach invested over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in
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these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. in the united states we proactively require brominated flame retardants to be put into furniture and carpeting among other things and that's resulted in extremely higher levels all those flame retardants in the human bodies of americans as opposed to europeans and that ultimately has affected the cognitive outcomes of literally a generation of american children. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sport business i'm showbusiness i'll see you then.
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piece. but the reality is there may still be a. fine. line. these. people when they just throw them into the water disposal it may not be harmful for that little fish that eats one fragment but once it makes its way up. it's getting to levels. are. welcome back this week british army veteran to a morgan was detained without notice by the u.k. home office following his return from afghanistan fighting a war for britain that left him with serious mental health issues he and his family
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have faced years of uncertainty while efore to remain in britain i'm joined now by his son ramani ramani mother. and twin sister to the show morgan thanks for coming all of you let's start with you ramani and you know our prime minister round the home office went to the all star environment would you want to say to her about the treatment of your. office and. instead of being. one to support. then who told you about the news in the first few days i went behind. me and i was passed out clara's you do know he couldn't get to sleep he was consumed with expecting this none of your no no no no he just went to sign on and they held onto him basically there was not her notice or anything and this is the third time he's been detained and is like very worrying for him because every day he goes to sign
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on his back i don't know what's going to happen today and mentally physically best messed him up a whole lot his immigration status you don't know what's going to happen everything that's like torture to him every single day you go to sign on you don't know if you're going to come back. and it evens out because we know for what it's really going something yes for it to ascend to yes every wednesday yes to reporters he was threatened with deportation and he has to report how does time in the british army affect his mental health i think since him joined in the british army he's he's a changed person because of his p.t.s.d. he's become a shell of himself he says he doesn't socialize he doesn't go anywhere is that he's turned into a zombie like person and that's not why i remember growing up he is a totally different person compared to when we were growing up he was jovial he
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would fill the room with laughter night anywhere he goes he's a happy go lucky person but now he's a shell of himself are used to it directly the change i remember twain coming home crying in distress scream in knowing i think it was just totally not what he expected he had a dream and a passion in his or which obviously when he got they didn't leave it to work here expected and he started to get on well you started to draw remind he was a very small baby at that point. like i say the crying i remember him being in the bathroom he was due to go back the next day and he was on the floor and he was saying no i don't want to. so looking back that was i think the straw of him becoming well i think we didn't understand it then as we didn't know when mainstream media doesn't really fully explain his ten thousand or wounded british soldiers he saw his best friend blown up so you know these are the things when he's
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crying at night to me and he was saying you know my best friend tomorrow and he will be seeing some horrendous things that anybody would be afraid of the british military says it has. all. the campaigns of. system of recuperation from u.k. military activities abroad. trainers never really had any more and i had no intervention or support twenty left the army he was just left to fend for himself basically he there was no intervention he had just gotten he had it hard socialising with family friends he would easily get upset cry he had had flashbacks are all about soul he was a culkin well he wasn't coping at all and i think that if he had gotten treatment then and there he would have had a better quality of life and i don't believe all of this would have happened had he
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had treatment when you first when we don't reckon know it's yes and picked up on me . and gave him that one to one or you know a support network around him i believe he would never if escalate to a release today he did get into into trouble jailed for. that file and of course we know drazen may as explicitly said. the abuse of our hospitality as a crime committed this country people should be deported here but we understand that he did the crime and he has done the time for that but my thing is i knew twain before he went in the army and i can hand on heart one and two percent say he would not have community that crawling if he'd had the right support for his men to have all this was just left completely shout stop he didn't know you know. obviously the incident happened in the got frightened and he will serve the time so
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why do you keep six seven year as we head into manchester cause we've been through it all along been going on enjoying that. when i was pregnant from when i had my daughter so he's going to. say. to you for the rest. it's not fair it's not right you know it's really it's really sad closeness affected not just him the whole family his kids it's parents his mom his dad because if he feels hurt we feel hurt is that if he gets picked we get picked close they're a close knit family and we really support and care for him and we know that we know the person he was before he joined the army and it's really a shame wife always twain was a bad person or whatever reason. i wouldn't have him around
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you know you know one hundred percent. for all if this has happened this is my twain into. today he was not like that and i would not have maintained all through twain struggle with the prison the detention center always maintained a relationship with his children always we have pictures back all the cards of all the you know. in these countries there's so many children for office that don't even want to be around them this man wants to be here for his children and we're not you know it's not been. it's not fair it's not roy and numb concern for a minute she you know these boys always had these daddies lawyer so to just come along and say no sorry obviously i was a stupid question or with water means you have his deported to jamaica worry doesn't know any work. i want him to see me because. i didn't do gymnastics not
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long ago and i was champion in quite a few events i want him to see me from wanting to see or see my sisters to grow up as well so i think if he got deported to america it would just the whole family would just be upset and it would be terrible thank you all of you thank you. well you know that's the family of tween morgan and their fears for his imminent deportation i'm joined now by twain's lawyer original kelo and national co-chair of black activist against kut rita horgan thanks so much for coming on we just heard now that a deportation flight has been arranged for twain ritually but to start with you one of your guests just got a message from the office that they've given him a flight for the fifteenth of february to deport him to jamaica so that's just while we've been on air here and you can speak to the family we do know that they said chartered flight and they are wanting to get their money's worth so to speak
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and put people on that flight and so therefore they will be booking people quite quickly and to see who actually gets an injunction to other people or is it true this isn't just one plane for oh no because my understanding is there's a charter flight in the normally trying to put about fifty people on that point. so they'll be police bound in jamaica so it's bound to make it a fight for jamaica was either you've been campaigning hard issues of his charity and or against racism for decades you see this is part of resumes australian vironment absolutely definitely part of the hostile environment what makes it worse is you know with the wind rush scandal as it unfolded last year and got exposed weeping campaigning of course on these issues for years. they shouldn't be any charter flight so last year they scheduled a charter flight to jamaica and it didn't go ahead because of the scandal being exposed even though they haven't sorted out any of the details and compensation and
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scope they shouldn't be any charter flight going so we knew there was a chance of flying from a couple of weeks ago because we know of others who were already detained who'd been booked on to that flight we know what they do is they go forward i would describe as low hanging fruit people that comply with the system signing in regularly you know weekly fortnightly whatever is required of them so they're known . to the home office and they are fit effectively just matching those people even though the flights. with no regard for their personal circumstances or you know what process they are going through at the moment in terms of appeals and so on even though he's lowing for so he fought for this country in afghanistan the regular you probably use these arguments for your client but as you know and you've probably heard it time and time again the british home office now under such a job which controls as foreign nationals who abuse our hospitality by committing crimes in the u.k. should be in no doubt of our determination to deport them and that's something that happens all over the world britain's not exclusive interview or to
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a foreign national criminals but what we're saying in twain's cases they should be an exception the home office can exercise that discretion that it does have in twain's case he fought for the country he has a family here he has children here he has a partner here he has nobody in jamaica jamaica's a lovely place people can live and do live in jamaica what we're saying in twain's case it's not appropriate to deport him because you just have anybody there he also has close to matic stress disorder and bipolar and there's nobody there to care for him he needs his family here with him so he's human rights are being disproportionately breached by having him removed from the united kingdom. just do you think it means a message to all commonwealth soldiers who suffer p.t.s.d. in mental health issues fighting in britain's wounds this case i think is definitely a message that don't do it because how can he be punished he's got to be it's like a triple punishment isn't it so because he has been to prison he's been punished
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again so that there has been to prison he should be like any british citizen would go to prison rehabilitate militated be allowed to come back into society and live their life because they were actually served their time and they've had their punishment for the crime the fact is his crime occurred when he's suffering from mental health conditions that were. oh tong by the fact he served in the british army so it shouldn't be that because he couldn't fulfill the five years which would have allowed him to become a british citizen but he's also been punished again for the fact that he couldn't complete it because of the p.t.s.d. with the job or the home. this judge did acknowledge that i mean yeah i don't do it because obviously some of these was a pretty controversial in their. own ways but. is the point that until there's a systemic understanding of the case of your client. this is the danger posed to
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any commonwealth soldier this is the danger i mean commonwealth countries will release people to come fight in the british army and britain has now decided that they can recruit an unlimited amount of commonwealth so just before there is a limit and that goes to show that we do as a country need people to come and fight for us from the commonwealth and i think that there's a public security issue as well if we are going to discourage people from the commonwealth coming from coming to fight for the country and soldiers will be discouraged naturally because if you know that somebody is going to be deported if you know that you're going to go and fight for britain and you run the risk of being deported because you have medical issues then it's going to dissuade you from fighting at all and just very briefly and we have a recruitment shortage in let alone translators scoundrels and all the rest of it what happens to train what do you think is going to happen we just spoke to his family spoke to his son ultimately we want the home office to defer to wayne's removal at the moment. they have well until somebody on the playing anything can
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happen you stop while fly before we stop several flights not have time including twain's previously the home office at the moment carrying out their own medical investigations in respect to twain so how they've come to get in the flights when they're still investigating these mental health issues beggars belief that. what we want is we want the home secretary to respond to twain's case we want the home secretary to respond to commonwealth soldiers around the world and telling them and assuring them that if they come to fight for this country they do not run the risk of being deported as we've seen windrush people can commit criminal offenses and they won't be deported because of the history historic relationship that we have with the winter countries and we want the same for come while soldiers that they should not run the risk of being deported once they've been paid to give the ultimate sacrifice for this country rachel thank you very much that's it for the
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show will keep you updated on twain's case if you track the surge will be back on monday after gary's bloody sunday march with the former director in charge of the provisional ira until then get in touch pressure media show monday's rebirth pavers a much eight hundred one years since the great you read friend played here since the death of the author of eastern nine hundred sixteen given by play it. seemed wrong. but all wrong just don't hold. me. to shape out just to. educate and in the game because betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart when she says to look for common ground.
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