hello and welcome across harbor all things are considered i'm peter lavelle breaking a promise trump wants regime change in venezuela old habits die hard also the trials in tribulations of roger stone will russia gate ever and. talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark slowly he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor levitch he's a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for politics and we have dmitri bobbitt she is a political analyst with sputnik international or a german cross-talk rules in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it obviously we're going to start out with when the person goes by the name of elliot abrams was pointed. leader of american foreign policy and the washington consensus apparently to deal with venezuela so earlier

there even is definitely he has the right. to do this and this is somebody who. you know. as with many other in your comments he comes from a family of democrats he was deeply involved in the iran contra affair and in fact he was convicted of withholding information from the u.s. congress he was pardoned by george h.w. bush later on he was also involved in decision making in the lead to the iraq war and now we see him up when did we deal with the who essentially according the eight slow moving call in minnesota would you say that he's fluent in regime change definitely he's that person to get to do this. and that that would go in two thousand and two charges was removed from power for several days. and it was

a real cool i mean it was. not there was no alternative you know leader it was just the army you know. they say that fine believe that he was called panthera he and what's interesting is the colombian. and then he was when the coup field he was stance put it into a book at the into colombia where he is that it's to this day this was a a colombian businessman with ties to the u.s. and he was essentially appointed president by them the other little detail they've missed other than has an involvement in dismissing palestinian elections when they didn't go the way that the u.s. wanted back to the elliott abrams goes back to the reagan bush the first administration where he was responsible and overseeing the death squads in guatemala that were responsible for the genocide also in latin america by the way also but there are also been as well duraid guatemala specifically just what i'm

all of these death squads were responsible for the extermination of two hundred thousand people entire villages wiped off the face of the earth and when confronted about this on charlie rose near the time he answered. to the accusations of him being a war criminal specific to this he said what would you put all of us who won the cold war on the dock that was a risk but it's an easy answer for you. in the larger scheme of things. it's quite remarkable how this whole mentality of regime change it fails it fails it fails it fails when they're going to get another shot at it here i mean this is built into the foreign policy consensus here there can know can be no other way to deal with the world other than forceful change to all the people who say there should be dire work with washington all. so whatever i can refer them

all to the book by gene shop where he actually rolled you know black and white several years ago nor would deals with dictators once you start their peroration no negotiations no compromises and this has been their playbook in in yugoslavia these has been their playbook in libya actually if you remember milosevic and the qaddafi they made the same mistake they believed in the so-called guarantees you know the water is believed to be guarantees gave to him by richard holbrooke the american diplomat in dayton they need to make a fuss and then suddenly holbrooke said the few years later your water is can kill his it was his own mother all of my got a job he got rid of his weapons of mass as you said he wasn't even going to twenty first agreement with yannick corbett exactly you know i am uncertain ok this is where i want to bring this in here it is it's a very interesting echo of the coup that was played out in two thousand and fourteen on them i don't mean in the i.q. picture and so we actually see a repetition of that situation venezuela where going door to actually saying that

he's not twenty four and as with my daughter exact he's demanding his middle name go to north. shore to us and essentially they're making an ultimatum saying that either might do or agrees to a new elections in the agreement that he gets to the to then within these so he has to schedule them within six months six to eight to twelve months and he has to do that within eight days and they know full well that he is that is a legitimate leader of israel were elected the illegitimate election in fact there were european observers among them from spleen from other countries western countries that that deserved and said the elections were fair and france where and of course they know that he will now they need to this moment you were telling me earlier you sent me a message about the legality of all this i think it's important to be to shed light on them here first of all we have to correct pronunciation we're talking about the name of this opposition candidate who has just been. declared president of

venezuela it's because the u.s. has that power evident my right. his name as secretary pompei you know specified. national broadcast is good we need to show you not god but who we need so there are we should use the correct us start to talk about that and how it's going to go and talk about the legalities of because i think it's very important yeah so the fig leaf for us so-called diplomatic intervention yet another coup attempt in venezuela is they prompted this puppet guido to to claim article who is the head of the national assembly a body that has been since removed by all powers by the supreme court of venezuela to claim article two thirty three of the venezuelan constitution and this was prompted by pence they directly pushed planned the washington post has revealed

this you know that this was secretly planned for a long time they pushed it what if you seized power in this way we will back you so he did you know this is a clear so article two thirty three of the constitution only addresses when the president is absent from office like if he is physically or mentally incapable if you just disappears and abandons his post and it does it provides no legal rationale for the us to interpret again as if this was a crane in two thousand and fourteen years it was against the constitution because you know somebody has no ability to impeach and that is where you are going to tell your wife saying you know well. we stand with the people of venezuela.

immediately remember all these sanctions are demanding i remember this is i remember exactly how obama said until two thousand and fourteen we stand with the people of ukraine and in three days the terrible civil war started you know we stand thousand people were killed he didn't stand with the people of ukraine but. you know what that when. people did not receive benson's from the central government in kiev he didn't stand with the people of ukraine when they were born to you know but when you hear we stand with the people of something that people he's in trouble so when you surly is in real trouble we're going to go right now this is the standard of the u.s. regime change play book you. exacerbate and exploit the existing social and political tensions you claim to speak in a monolith of the people that iraq were doing this for the iraqi people for the syrian people for the libyan people for the year many people are. now for the

venezuelan people which venezuelan people because the country is divided and you are interested in this is a grievance this coup was preceded by a long preparation by washington and its allies in america so we see now that the military attache to washington has switched a little says. it's perfectly understandable that the spirit and was in contact with the americans for a long time didn't just happen today or yesterday also remember the series of my do are those who criticize him the blame lee all the blame for economic ills on him and his government in fact in fact we could see the same stated being used in chile before the one nine hundred seventy three before the coup that ousted by the end there who died during the cool what did the u.s. and its allies do i started destabilisation as the energy that was a national economic destabilisation one of the worst because it was. it wasn't just

that american car should make a sanctions against caracas it was also a stage of economic stabilization that was there put in place to get the venezuelan kind to me in such a state that they will top that mess as have been his own people would support this and you are going to get to the point that the president still they do not and so the venezuelan government has been under illegal unilateral sanctions of the u.s. and its allies for years now dating to the obama's creation ever tightening ever getting better and there is something going to work on that of course or getting worse there's the. argument that's being presented oh these sanctions didn't have any effect clearly targeted sanctions and they conclude completely false these sanctions are all encompassing they have blocked the sale of oil they have seized venezuela's gold and assets in other countries they're now transferring it to their puppet leader it has cost the venezuelan twenty commie twenty three billion dollars

i'm going to want mark rightfully mentioned that the oil companies you know the first thing that the you know if the american so-called president would come to power in caracas the first thing they would do is privatizing to it's already said and it would be privatized in the interest of those i mean when your mum goes shareholders would be let's be clear what is your state of. venezuela venezuela has the world's largest proven reserves reserves more than saudi arabia more than russia where the united states three hundred more than three hundred billion barrels of oil. i rather have been here just so we have to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news.

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you we're discussing some real news. ok gentlemen so much more to talk about in venezuela victor gig put it into a geo political spectrum here because we have china obviously. against a forced change of government invented have been this way with russia is turkey is iran is in many of the cold medicine i suppose on the pants on the fence ok a india is on the fence here. what's the importance to you so there are three different geopolitical reasons for the u.s. to do this first of all the washington establishment basically views venezuela as a ground where cheney's and russian influence is growing has been growing over the years we need because venezuela made the sovereign choice of dealing with yesterday in china is one of the biggest investors in the venezuelan economy and will set to

russia is the second biggest investor after shayna. change investments are much much more. significant than the russian investments so by promoting their school the you know washington wants to essentially get russian and chinese influence off the continent but in reality he doesn't want the government in latin america to be able to exercise its sovereign powers and this is going to be looked really still. very much in play as we see through these these second level in washington wants to reverse the left sort of content in latin america which has compass believe year because encompassed over the years nicaragua venezuela cuba of course since the sixty's and it has washington has recently had some success in the in salvador were put in lenin mahram appearance they were furious lee a person named lenin but who is not not a friend of the left not much of a friend of the west and then there is

a third of these in the which we mentioned just a few seconds ago that will situation if the u.s. peace control over the business of production then it would have more of an influence on the world will market in general so these are some seen three reasons geopolitical for the us even though a lot of people hope that europe's position will the keys be newest and it is basically they're all to meet them to meet in that game officially from france and germany but that will be supported supported by the european union is that elections in eight days that's ridiculous. well first people in europe these are indeed as they also. name we know he's greedo for them and i think i know why you know there was a guy named agreed to a restaurant where the german foreign minister who went to my doctor and who supported openly supported the protest action against the government of victory on the bush in two thousand but you know that was not interference from that bunch of

people just to kind of give perspective here so when there was the legal coup in kiev in two thousand and fourteen the european union didn't say we need elections and eight days well if you are it also the home which is the european union commented on the yellow vests in french let's let me get very very concerned about the people it is very let me remind you that there was a deal signed by your definition of that the elections will be held in eighteen months and then you that you would be in your incomplete difficult that you do next the next day and they have a sense that iowa because they are guys to come by force they took their headquarters of the party a region set it on fire and several people in sight and the european european union said this is the will of the people with controversy and let their actions be counted whenever they want and it's rather just several people who knows and i am going to be in more than accommodating and then you are. in these the european

union was actually more active in kiev than the united states because the united states was represented by victoria nuland who was just a tad of on of that but you want your distance driving the same as yours even if it was a part of the day i went i think venice what's going on inside venezuela for a little bit is this i think the venezuelan government should accept the call for new elections right after france has new elections because of the yellow protest movement and the u.k. has new elections because of the on elected prime minister may's incompetence and historic military could start a series of brigs. both the two you know here you know why why stop at another one eleanor hall figured out for us it was deceived additional chavez was genuinely popular in venice and i don't know how to know no question about that came the power with impetus from chavez but. event as well as economic problems since including the saudi oil price war on russia and iran which

saudi last blinked but also had a devastating bonus effect for the u.s. on within israel also the effect of the sanctions so doro is not actually extremely popular in the country but here's the thing there's the us is selling a scam presenting this violent opposition ari they've participated in multiple assassination attempts coups burning of chivvied those in the streets and so on. it has more than a seventy percent disapproval rating in the country by venezuela and its opposition's own poll and they are not you be a unified group was there i want to say something that i think it's important here . venezuela has a big corruption problem too ok the allocation of government funds is not the best for your system but look at what i was. in the same paul they asked the question what is the primary concern of the venezuelan people more than sixty percent sixty eight percent said the economy less than four percent said corruption so again we

see this replay of corruption is a call to real government if we're going to move it around and he is dysfunctional in many ways because they will give you the it's up to it's up to the venezuelan people to get there if you think you know the fact that they're for more than half of americans don't have ten thousand dollars in their bank account the fact that millions of americans live paycheck to paycheck doesn't give anyone the right to decide how they're going to get saved you know american elections or politics and the americans have no right to interfere in the domestic affairs of in his or any other country he does where last minute it is really don't want to talk about roger stone well it was a great suggestion from the russian prime minister material what would happen if they had the states off to seen their you know this confrontation and. basically given in someone that from russia someone from caracas would see drop your incompetent soup it was your whatever couldn't really see. how to pronounce her

name but she's better than you know what would be the reaction of the united states nancy pelosi is name is already been mentioned in our conversation here on her website and i'm talking about the recent indictment and arrest and indictment of roger stone. a political trickster by use own definition and confidant to one degree or another with donald. this is what nancy's reaction to the indictments were the indictment of roger stone makes clear that there was a deliberate coordinated tempted by by top trump campaign officials to influence the two thousand and sixteen election then to subvert the will of the american people that's right trump's orbit wanted him to win the presidency but campaign is not what it's all about here a picture of your reaction here because all of the indictments that mothers come up with. or either before so called collusion or process crimes

as a result of the investigator itself and this is exactly what as with roger stone none of the charges deal with. none of the charges deal with dealing with foreign actors all the charges deal with obstruction of justice and other related so-called crimes the other thing to do what you for here is the way he was actually arrested it's a pretty dawn raid he's i can't use any other. phrase than jack booted thugs this is a massive f.b.i. parisian this is let's go this is a sixty six soon to be sixty seven year old man or you're just didn't want to stick weapons and body armor were necessary this is six am six am a sixty six year old man who was not going to run anywhere so they surrounded surrounded his house he ran up to c.n.n. i don't know remarkably here and see their claims that they didn't care i want to

be a lot of their lives but you know if you've been watching roger stone's public appearances over the last particular last few months he was waiting to be and he was waving ok and all he needed to do have his lawyer have the authorities contact his lawyer he would have showed up at the courthouse well probably he just wanted to be in the news but i like the c.n.n. you know they have that story why it was so dangerous why we're here today that well that's because. killed kennedy trying to say during his campaign enjoyed thousand sixteen russia if you're listening i hope you are able to find the thirty thousand e-mails that are missing from mrs clinton. so you know see and then seriously rights that it's not immediately clear if storm was. acting on his own. well he was spurred and the russian spy future was spurred by

scorns you want to believe it was a little social for you. that the left doesn't have any humor and. picture here i mean what you stone is a very he's a braggart he's boastful he's very self-centered of course we've been watching this for years here but there is in looking at the indictment it looks like miller's just writing the story ends things that are have not been confirmed the whole the whole role that we played in this and their relationship with trump none of that is what it was but it's it's alleged in assumed in the indictment why it has roger stone been charged why has he been arrested and put through the process has started because the other things that roger stone he can flip him he can force him to flip and say things that he needs him to say guess that he doesn't care about roger stone just like he didn't really care about paul and the fourth even though judge one of the judges and then when the fourth through our six year old said that you know you don't really care about mr mann afford it it's time for you're going to

after he thinks you're a transplant but then of course he apparently this but he couldn't get what he wanted from anna for that's why he gets charged with lying and he was trying to get get the settlement deal blocked now because he didn't get many for it didn't say what he wanted him to say no it doesn't really want that to us know once what he wants to get stumped you got it ok we've run out of time here many thanks to my guest here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the expanded version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember crosstalk. u.s. veterans who come back from war often tell the same stories. were going after the

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