inside in their best light but also has an in-store billboard that can serve ads to consumers who approach based on variables such as the approximate age the technique the technology believes they are or their gender and the weather outside how do they achieve this great new ability to advertise to us by embedding not just digital screams at our favorite so dials but cameras that will scan shoppers spaces and make inferences on their age gender as well as track their irises to determine which model of mountain dew or pepsi is caught your eye. welcome my friends to the new age of consumer surveillance it's not just the government that wants to buy the data anymore which means it's time for us to start watching the hawks. to. get the. real they would. like you know that i got. this.

welcome everyone to watching the hawks i am tyrol venter and joining me today is former n.s.a. official and whistleblower obey me and r.t. america correspondent michelle greenstein thank you both so much for coming on and go i don't to start by asking you what are the privacy issues and dangers posed by corporations now surveilling us to improve their bottom line. well i mean what it's doing is giving corporate the understanding of what people are what you as as an individual is all about what you're thinking you know the kinds of things you prefer. even. gives you a base for advertising to you not just for for products but also for political reasons or for social reasons that if they like in the case of facebook chatted

rocking certain sheryl blocking certain aspects of certain articles advocating certain positions that that's how they can control the information you have to look at the same meet the media does the same as mainstream media and you know it's. so i you know it's a it goes much further that then they of course sell at data to other companies or other governments or even the u.s. government so and so they had they once they assembled the data it's it is in itself information that's valuable that they can sell. to multiple users and so the add to their bottom line that virtually no cost to them i want to ask you both just for your presence does it does it bother you the idea of like you know going into your walgreens or a local convenience store knowing that ok there's security cameras there that we've lived with for a long time but now there's cameras they're watching you to decide what you're going to do what you purchase an item or potentially advertise to you deserve leave a bad taste in your browser at all oh of course i mean we're seeing private

companies come into this whole new range of technological tools of course all in the name of increasing revenue we know walgreens like you said but google is developing this three d. facial recognition apple already has face id on these books artificial intelligence facial recognition software past tests with near human level accuracy amazon right now is actually coming under fire for having some racial and. racial and bias in their facial recognition technology but what this all really does is this normalize is the coming of a cashless society eventually everyone's fingerprints i scan and you know other identifying details any biological material is going to be tied to every transaction they make so you know there's a twofold concern on the one hand there is a privacy issue it's a huge civil liberties issue of course this information is susceptible to being hacked even if we totally trust our government right but there's also the subtle psychological message that we're getting that using this technology is the only way

to access food access knowledge and in order to gain access to you know these vital things like travel or whatever essential item or activity you to hand over your privacy and this is really the normalization of the extinction of privacy and as we know like eventually a cashless society basically gives government unprecedented access to information and thus to power over its citizenry is oversee it as it is this kind of move you know that's pretty much the way i would look at it too i mean it does a lot more that goes into you know. exactly who you are as a person that's even more penetrating begin to understand your thinking process i mean that's why i don't use facebook or google or anything i mean i use google for searches but i don't i don't and never press like on anything because that gives you the impression of them or gives them more information to work with and you know i just object to them just presumptuous of them to push things at me thinking they know what i want so great so i you know i don't participate in anything as best i

can say oh that's a good good bit of advice or always include me out yeah so i'm going to do you know speaking on the opposite end of this you were looking into a case were child was illegally fingerprinted of a six play park with the child had gone there to enjoy the the rides and all that and then in the process of i got to go out of the get why were they fingerprinted and what is the latest he brought a lawsuit against the part of what is the latest so this has to do with illinois biological information privacy act this is a law that only applies to illinois but a lot of other states have similar legislation so this is definitely going to apply to us all the illinois state supreme court ruled that you have standing to sue a private company whether or not you can prove that you have an actual injury if that organization took your biometric data and didn't disclose to you what they were going to do with it now like i said this illinois law is unique but this case

is interesting because the illinois state supreme court is reading the law differently than the seventh circuit court of appeals which is where illinois is in that district so right now there is a direct contradiction so we're probably going to see this case eventually go to the supreme court why was the boy fingerprinted me for so he tried to buy a season pass to one of the six flags great adventure parks in order to do that you have to provide your thumbprint and that your thought with this idea car that you got basically gave him access to the park. so he got home and his mother was like excuse me you know where's the paperwork that they gave you this boy was fourteen so she was upset that she didn't have to give consent the boy wasn't you know given knowledge about what the park was going to do with that biometric information whether or not they were going to store it whether or not they were going to sell it they had no public policy that explained what they were going to do with it and whether or not they intend to destroy it that's interesting because like you know it raises in my mind why do you need the fingerprint you know what what's the point

i mean are we really risk security wise now that we need to be fingerprinting kids just to buy a season pass six what i mean yeah yeah well i don't think so personally but i can see them what they're doing is assembling all this biometric information including your d.n.a. if they can get it which is in stored somewhere and so can be interrogated by anybody including people come into research you if you're applying for a job they can go into that data and look at that and if down the road they'll be identifying different partitions of the d.n.a. they contribute or make you highly susceptible to getting certain diseases and that's going to be another issue in health care companies love to get their hands on that information not just that employers because they'd have to insure you for example or that's a good example so you know i just think that this entire business of companies collecting data on citizens is just corrupt illegal and basically unconstitutional because it's shared with everybody including the u.s. government absolutely that's all any profit and the way they sell this to us is oh

it's so convenient you don't have to wait in line or this will deter fraud and all these ways that this new technology gets sold to us as a really awesome new innovative technological advancement but the truth is we really are normalizing the extinction of privacy and let me let me ask you this what is the best way for people to. you know be able to go on with their lives in this kind of you know how fully technological lives they were leading in the twenty first century that i don't think you can really do business anymore. unless you're at least in some capacity online unless you're in some code you know how do you manage your life and give this much information well for example i take my case i never use my credit card except for you know like hotels where you're paying for the hotel or larger purchases from just buying things like take money and use money so that i never used to leave myself to figure print there or anything so it's not really there if you use money so i do that kind of thing and i don't use

facebook or anything like that in the way up keep my i never do anything except e-mail things of that nature so i limit i limit my access on the net and therefore i limit the data that they could have on me and i don't use google. and to a certain extent your personal choices cannot escape you from this kind of surveillance because the f.b.i. right now already has a database that covers over a third of the adult american population and take a look at this list of countries that i brought you these are countries that already have some form of biometric identification and as you can see like it goes all the way from countries like the u.k. who you know has this police database of facial recognition mugshots we have a similar database here in the u.s. all passports in the u.k. have been biometrics since zero six but all of these countries have some form of the biometric id grid that i know of this is only what i was able to find within the day so this is an incomplete list but this goes from everything from passports

and other forms of i.d. to border security systems so this is happening now so i do think that the first step really is a public debate really is a lot of us think about this is not going to play no i don't think i think your guys both kind of hit it on the head when you said you know it kind of moves forward we just kind of go along and we're not really thinking about the broader impact of this kind of thing the i don't think too many people understand how to do . this i mean they they feel powerless i think but in fact you can sue the bastards that's a good idea that's the whole idea that i'm doing. well i'm going to link our list again this year but progression but you can sue you can sue them yeah you can do it collectively get together people object find a collective group and sue is that as a group that's a really i keep arguing in europe that they should sue all the companies you know google yahoo all of them because they're turning over their data the u.s. government and they know it and it's a violation of their privacy laws or use the laws in your countries and use those things while you're still a lot of a murder trial the pure self from being whether it's being advertised to or the

government spying on you i got to say mr greenstein william binney thank you so much for coming on well in the light in the audience there is great conversation they get. as we go to break court watchers don't forget to let us know what you think the topic recovered on facebook and twitter and see our poll shows at our teeth dot com coming up we break down the walls of news garden the warm up for the media with award winning investigative journalist but this was stay tuned to watch the hawks.

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in the early second century century roman poet and satirist through with all once asked who will guard at the guardians to day nineteen centuries later who will guard the guardians is still a wildly relevant question that has who are what will keep the authority that we as a society give to our institutions both public and private in check in the new age of big news freakouts this question is especially vital while the ciphering what is or is not legitimate news is an important need in any informed society who or what gets to decide what is or is not legitimate is equally if not more important especially in light of the recent attacks we've seen on independent alternative news outlets by corporate social media platforms mainstream legacy media and their own elected officials on both sides of the political spectrum coming out of this kind of societal hyperventilating over the scourge of fake news is a brand new industry centered on deciding what is or is not trustworthy and what is or is not news let's call it the trust industry joining me today to discuss this

burgeoning new trust industries investigative journalist but swan it's an interesting industry that we've seen kind of all of it is a great description of it by the way yeah trust in the trusting disagree you know and ben early is who we saw facebook twitter you tube you know they all kind of took a crack at being the arbiters of deciding what is or is not trustworthy new on their platforms why and how did that ultimately fail well i think if for a couple reasons number one because facebook and google and you tube grew simply because people had the opportunity to be able to find information that they were looking for that they couldn't get to the mainstream so if you go back to twenty eleven twenty twelve twenty thirteen twenty fourteen those were the years would when facebook really saw a massive search and shift from being the place where you put pictures of your kids in your dinner to being a place where news we shared by twenty sixteen. it was so influential and we've seen documents since then that groups are put together so influential that many people and political watchers believe that facebook and the news not fake news but

just news in general showed there had it bigger impact on the election than all the mainstream networks combined and that's what the need was there to to try to shift the problem is when you suddenly take away the choice of the viewer to see what they're looking for the viewer goes away and that's what facebook is finding out. facebook is going to you know eventually they're going to have to come with us because they based all of their kind of. their wealth of all these eyeballs right like hey you sell advertising on facebook you're going to get all this stuff about mel lot that's kind of been punctured and the continued projected growth of facebook right that people will continue to come here and it was stunning to them in the q four of twenty eighteen all of a sudden people aren't coming to them they're going away at it and it doesn't take a genius to figure it out if you'd stop serving the product people are looking for they go find it someplace else for true this virtue we've also seen the rise in this kind of in the private industry end of quote unquote trust arbiters of you know like web based news guard for instance numbers that are you know they made

headlines recently because they signed a deal with microsoft to provide their color coded new rating system to the was of microsoft's edge internet browser but new scar despite its mainstream appeal lot of articles written about it there's good money behind it there. has they've had multiple issues with accusations of bias in its rating system as well as some interesting political connections to news guard yeah absolutely well a couple things on that number one so news guard if you look at their their board of advisors former homeland security secretary tom ridge under george w. bush former n.s.a. and cia director michael hayden is on their board of advisors that should make you run as fast as you can away from news guard but so i so i've actually downloaded their app onto microsoft as i actually have a computer that has microsoft stunningly that might be the breaking story that is the. and so i downloaded it just to see what this thing plays out like and here's what's really scary about it is that new scar doesn't say here are incorrect

stories right it attaches to your browser so if you just search a name the freethought project or which i did or the anti media press news r.t. . every article associated that comes up in the browser has this big red shield and a warning next to it which means according to what they're saying every article on those sites is dangerous or untrue or untrustworthy without ever going through and looking at the articles themselves so essentially what you see when you now open your browser is a list of all these red red badges or dream badges you go to buzz feed or c.n.n. and by the way you go to any neo con think tank you go to any neo con publication they all get green badges so there's no question that this is a entirely flawed system and it's clearly being created for the sole purpose of pushing people toward this this neo con neo liberal perspective. that's you

know that's what essentially is saying and so i was going to say. trustworthy minnows everything else to the side and what's interesting is like companies that like ignored them because they guard went out you know very early on and kind of assemble this crack team of twenty journalists you know reached out to all these different outlets and you know one of them was the bailey mail yes widely read more read that i think the guardian in. the u.k. they got a red badge because they never respond because they didn't respond so i am it's kind of like well wait a minute like anybody at home not knowing that backstory is just see this read about oh i can't trust that right when really it's just will be a member response of the questions so they have no basis to that's exactly right and the other thing about news guard is that they are lobbying right now to have this guard system news guard system mandated on. every browser system so this is their way of say now we can protect everyone everywhere all the time with this system look people create these systems and people are always pious the problem is

mandating so if if you are goofy enough to say i'm going to trust these guys without doing any research and you want to download the app to take the steps to do it that's up to you but to mandate it now now adds an another level here of legality and. like a fish governmental endorsement of this saying it must happen therefore everyone must be subjected to these ratings you know it's interesting ben you've you've worked both you've worked as a journalist i'm here with mainstream corporate media as well as alternative independent media what are your thoughts on this kind of new trust industry being built molded aroma of you know what is deciding what is good and what is not good you know from that viewpoint you've worked in both is a good effect both sides so if so i think it affects everything but i think that it's too late i think for the groups that are designing this kind of thing they have believed for a long time that they had they were the gatekeeper gate keepers of information so

to get to information you had to go through that you had to go through the mainstream media you had to go through these think tanks and influencers but not anymore and the problem is now you can't go back to a population that's gone around them and say ok you know what guys forget it we're going to build some walls you got to go to the gates again it's too late it's like the cows out of the barn and now you close the door i think that's what's going to happen that's interesting it's really interesting you know another element of this which i bet you were over is that there are now reports that the team that was at duke university was working on a project to grow up a real time fact checking political speech as you watch it on t.v. and what are the pitfalls of this because you know it's kind of like ok like i mean i've seen it back in the day works like i was i'm a hook to all the opinion people who have a little heart beat line of the people like there's a little you just wrote a poem you know real time oh yes you know what's real time fact checking what is the real time fact check. doesn't really exist unless the facts that are being stated are so so agreed just as so egregiously wrong or so specifically right that

you could immediately you know syria what's the answer to this and they can find it the problem is that this is the system the duke is setting up it relies on people people have to input the information in order to determine whether or not something is true but the other thing that's not being discussed about the story is context so much of what is true or untrue relies on context and if you don't have context for what's being said i remember when i interviewed president obama one point having this interview with him and you know asked him a series of questions and then went back and took his answers and place them in context to historical facts but also to what the law specifically were and there was a lot of praise at the time for having done it that way it's a different kind of fact check we call it reality check right because there is context that goes with what is being said beyond just whether or not those stats are facts or figures add up this whole thing is a trump response where they all want to say oh trump is always so agree just wrong and yes trump says things all the time that are just flat out incorrect but

politicians say things all the time that are untrue based in the context of the context and lastly i want to ask you know is it. who should be watching the watchman they're going to steal the one from elem or in the famous graphic novel but is it even possible to is this kind one of those things is just an impossible dream that you can't really bestow one or multiple groups the job of deciding what it is you don't true what is not true what is trustworthy what is not trustworthy because i just i don't see how you can do it because bias we're human beings we're god god forbid we ever you that you that i ever give someone that authority in our lives to say you are the determiner of what is true and what is not again facts are facts but to allow someone to tell you that the images that you were seen are moral or immoral that the. he is politics so politics is more than just you know winning and losing which is what it's become today it's about right and wrong

it's about morality it's about ethics it's about values and how would you allow someone else or some other entity to determine for you what is moral and what is right and i think that's the real divider here what apps like news gardner never going to understand is that people need to be able to have this experience that is a moral values based experience and you're never going to get that with the red badge or a green bag and ultimately to me it also comes down to go back to education teach people critical thinking skills this is darts as a kid this starts in high school junior high vats where you fight it was that sort of you fight this to where people could say ok i can read multiple different outputs make up well it appears in your brain. i can be an individual i don't just have to follow it people tell me is there is not nerves always a pleasure having you think that your thoughts are coming to you. a picture of my friends is worth a thousand words hawk watch or in the case of hubble a thousand stars yes the hubble space telescope is back in the news again as it was discovered that one of hubble's most famous photographs the hubble ultra deep field

actually had an even deeper view into the universe than previously seen the ultra deep field is actually not just one photograph but hundreds taken over multiple years by the high powered telescope and then presented in composite form now after painstaking rounds of reprocessing researchers have discreet covered lots of additional light information not seen before in the famous photograph but hubble is not the only one out there out of this world pota graph currently wowing the eyes and catching headlines as nasa has zero serious wrecks sounds like a wrestler just shot back to beautiful pics of asteroid venues as it prepares to land on the small asteroid from ground stars my friends to the smallest and smallest of asteroids space does take one hell of a good picture. i must say but that is a great example of what happens when we put our minds to forward thinking and our

technology to not on spying on us but exploring the have and that is where we should be putting our money in technology and get out of the idea of stealing everything can viewing us on a twenty four seven basis i got to say my friends that is our show for today remember everyone in this world we are not told that we are loved enough so i tell you all i love you i am i wrote this for us keep on watching those walks and have a great day. i mean i mean i didn't know you know you. thought she looks one of. those whom you know most of the best to be in your years and years it was notable just made up my mind believe you. please don't leave the ways but i did my best

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