it's compliance status within the water system but the question. about the integrity of the country's biggest boards still remain will they ever be sat down to discuss that i'm now joined by the newly appointed director general. garner mr ganesan good to talk to you thank you very much for your time. now let me start with a for a few personal question because you are a professional manager you've held a number of executive positions but from what i've been able to gather big sports are not your area of expertise do you see that as a shortcoming or as an advantage in this new position. totally agree with you. came to the. not from the area. professional director working as an independent director but i think first of all my experience more than earlier one went away every bill to.

we have to organize and lead independent national and to see. my previous experience before there was i worked as independent director to ten years is there any difference in how you would approach running a state affiliated enterprise as opposed to these agency which serves crucial russian interests but is supposed to be fully independent from the state. has to some a little bit strange because when we discuss above the company which is with government financing we should be independent from the government that some a little bit especially in russia but now with really independent because we. and lead all our professional experience here. we work because on the international walton's in the open court. a few weeks ago you got yourself

into a bit of argument with russian officials about the missing of a deadline when water was supposed to gain access to electronic databases all of the doping probes even felt compelled to appeal to president putin directly why did you need to do that because the focus of all international sports community here focused on russia now you often. say they own us isn't russia to prove that it's transparent that it's willing to cooperate with wada. do you think russia is doing enough in that regard we're going to put on the requirements of world is extremely important for russia because. realizing of all requirements the special requirements on the second stage of decision executive committee of was. important because from there is the pounce.

next stages and. it's not the question of compliance before. it's a question of the future generation of russian it's not future because of the generation it's a question of the. what possibility will be how will the wall of. the international competition in russia use the action. and. negative results and negative. situation in this case. we will delimited do we involve the international competition or something to that it was extremely important question. estimated that the step by step. possibility to be in time

now can i ask you specifically about the. appeal to put in because i know that you worked and studied for a long time in lending right later seem to hear. about the importance hometown did you know him personally before your point when there are so no. i didn't. i don't have any contact with. president putin and ministration. i tried to be in quantum. with president of the ministration but i didn't and. don't you find this ironic that you as a had of an independent agency in russia still have to appeal to the country's leader to make sure that your agency can function as intended you mentioned that it's crucially important for us. isn't it i guess an interesting characteristic of the russian system that in a new way you still have to be in

a knee problem you still have to involve the president and now with concerts there are money question depends on the president and i thought before that this question had to be solved. on the full of the front level but. we are losing the last of the time and the by rio and for me was were important to call the president because. question what will be what could be in the next stage was real crucial critical for us now let me ask one more question about that. missing of a deadline that delayed which why they didn't. use against russia even though it was pressured to do you think it was ultimately due to i don't know if failure of

negotiations. maybe j.n.u. misunderstanding or some sort of postering or evasion on the part of the russians i think it's organization wish. for example. on the second stage i think the thirties have to start to work in negotiations now yes we're waiting with results will be with a summation of what database but the navy case. we share of the time secured real limited. tools. eugénie joe thirty years. old. professional sports and not a drop in community will fall on this date and. i think. don't give us any possible. date during your recent press conference you said that in order to rebuild its relationship with y.

that russia. cunt hole just to turn the page build new facilities and move on it has to get to the bottom of any by lesions that may have taken place in the past it sounds like you believe that there are some forces in russia whom may not be willing to pursue that path is that right. i think i don't want to comment your question because first the full responsibility for my air of response ability sometimes i think. worth working in russia is. because we didn't have any support i mean serious support yes we have support from many so suppose we working and said the working group ok it's sort of nice but we need nobody hearing. nobody racing

a boat special position that professional position. hold to for what may be. for example the press secretary for president pushing the trip to schools told. didn't have all the information. on the different pm i have too many information do i understand you correctly mr gao knows that you feel like your work is not being fully supported here in russia when we discuss a ball the real support for example like case which was before the civil case and nobody discussed with. maybe only minutes of sports but. most of all above the common question. and. when i discuss a bow the support i told to both the efforts to solve the current doping

situation the progress. yes i understand or worked in the responsible for the area so for sponsibility but i want to tell now we need to do for a level of corporation. we. were a service member. and this case although also lippold enough voters have to be called by the air force a special and co-operation when we have to work this direction i assume this is a very. calm and on the russian investigative committee known granting. expedient access to the most and to doping lab and from what i understand their objections were that the equipment that they wanted a specialist brought to russia wasn't fully certified in russia given that the trust is lacking on both sides both from wanted to russia and from russia to why

there wasn't that justified because if that database taken by some equipment that the russian specialists don't fully trust you understand that later on in case there is some tampering found then. the questions could be raised in this disagreement can the rise about the you know who committed that tempering understand what i mean wasn't that the russians trying to protect themselves as well against what they perceive as perhaps biased treatment by wada crystal. thora to steroid to real situation is because the price of this question was too high but on the other so we have we didn't know the. air force.

corp. were told. the bolted because. we. developing l. windows to get some experience here but in any case we need real support in the form of what do you mean by real supporting real supporting when will receive all the supporting from all areas so for all were. responsible it's when for example with this coworker and regional so kid went to work with the for the duration and all. this work and for the duration for example and steady work but. with all the serious supporting and i mean it's one question the question is is a question. of the measures. sold in this crisis i mean coworker are we in this again with whom we work. in this direction because he

is formally we work only in the limit the. possibility which we share yes but we develop this experience and this experience it depends on us now mr gunness we have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments. listing the best i think i. think get out to travelling across america to find what makes america the charlottes. quintessential american hero this is a point. we always are on the greatest.

party. we're starting last with is the beginning heading east into this want to go into the belly of the beast i think i want to leave now doesn't do any more than that we may be completely different in this. welcome back to worlds apart from assad and director general irregardless mr gunness why they made it clear that despite earning and keeping its compliance they had us russia and inside are still no doubt of the woods yet and if any tempering is discovered in the post tampering is confident in the in the database

probes russian athletes could lose a chance of representing themselves in the country at the two thousand and twenty olympic and paralympic games in your own estimation how high is that. of tampering being discovered i believe on the positive. results so for this. fall the database. i think we have this week but believe. me we didn't show any attention to this commission which were. we did in the wall. were. exactly what condition of the base was that. hope. the real. purpose over the. period because one of the real.

world. current situation with. the world's trouble situation with. probes. that's. for war their willingness to give they provide the process. with the police will be enough to prove to finalize this is. over there is a place i think this case will go positive you seem to invest a lot of confidence in. the due process by wada and that's despite i think it's pretty evident that there is also very strong anti russian lobbying within that organization particularly from the british and from the american antidoping agencies why do you think why that these juncture at least didn't succumb to that pressure why did they allow your organization to keep its

compliance. some first of all. it's one of the. for why the basic t.v. with. her on the throws stage because until the spirit of the to do about rules i think the one of the main reasons why i know we're working as comply or going is a sham to the national organization because all saw the today is that the different organization compared to the previous issue. which was still two thousand and fifteen. to all previous history because. we're working. with today was one of the best national it's of the edge and see in the world i heard you say that one of the agencies that helped you rebuilt saddam

from scratch was you cat the british anti-doping agency you were very grateful to down during a press conference and yet they continue had you taking against your agency at any possible turn why is that yes we were close to it the way with the british want to see it and they brought for us a real way to you. because it was the. one of the main national ought to depend i didn't say which support of us doing the compliance probably why they don't support you at any turn when it comes to the vote question not only do you cause it's question not question all that to yourself. i want to tell you all the work you did with appropriate with you saw the investigation based on that d.v.d. now and they believe. that it's a queer he told against you why did it not against us against russia against the

russian to do open system. they believed. in the current condition they don't believe the russian into the open system i just wanted to add to this presumption of russia being guilty in the eleven malevolent this very present in the in the west and it permeates into every area of operation not just sports can you really overcome with regard less of how transparent and forthcoming you are when they believe that russia is in the wrong is so strong it's is it on the stand why they see him as she is same appear. to us and the first of four would think to assimilate what we did for the last three years with russian authorities didn't do anything during the last three years and when the minister of sports comes from yes ok we'll go on lies access to the

law and there we are received we will hear sure level of the crew size because they didn't believe us when we lost the. date of the first stage. the you remember targets various my color from you say it told told you we would believe russia. we come from his words because we. not sold all this first stage in the real to. now investigating the russian case is what changed its legal standard and it started treating russians. as guilty until proven innocent rather than the other way around and it also meted out the collective punishment based on that premise do you think that it was fair

and justified. i think i. guess they called up to find out and why they were all such as far about the decision when the water comes from of compliance because it's impossible. all over a cliff. will be the limit to the possibilities of two buses but to sit by the national competition. will be. misunderstandable situation where will. the. compliance in that tradition when the real world of competitive the world of professional want to. last would you come from it. i think first of all wish to have to think it boiled to. what we have to do. to

have to rebuild trust capital we sure. some years ago you've been very critical throughout this interview of the russian side and perhaps justifiably so but don't you think that's why the also has to learn some lessons and change something in its work for example many would claim that they'd process the mclaren report very very uncritically and i think some of the rulings by the court of arbitration for sports also prove that in fact specifically the the court's rulings say that the muslim report was insufficient to establish that any anti doping rule violation was committed so don't you think that's why they're also has to perhaps change its ways a little bed i think. while they're working. they purpose lyon and they. estimate it step by step and

so they have. a real understanding and a real. working. during the investigation process with through and so for our must follow. when we discuss above the. lot of the reports. told to bode before. i think mr michael out of respect. i think. that to organize the road map a special two or. all. question requirements for mr muckle i wish him luck in that michael out of the report it's not the question of their compliance or because it's a question course but i know that all international sports federation there is some way to sort of bolt the. lists which are fixed in

this reports and they work with this mr going to report this based almost exclusively on the testimony of. the the former head of the most a person who is directly implicated in all those crimes a person who is guilty of not just ethical transgressions he's criminally guilty this is a crime to do what he did and he never faced any responsibility for what he did is whereabouts unknown why they didn't bring any charges against him don't you think that why that as an organization that is committed to fighting doping violations has a moral responsibility to bring that man to account. i think in any case. it's not depends. on the. materials. base this reports how they do it but but in any case i mean in any case when somebody goes. with. the some serious question yes.

they going for four so the special will actual cases. and then this case and the old. man which mocked him this ripples we in the any case would have to estimated it would go to market for us to put wands and the whole time i've totally agree with you without my question to you is whether wadah if because mr rauch was working on behalf of wada so what the shares responsibility here why don't you think why has to put more pressure on them erik an intelligence agencies who are now controlling. and bringing him to justice according to american law because in the united states it is also a crime to do what he did why does he go away and face no responsibility whatsoever

for doing what he did. i don't know exactly what i can tell you because i didn't saw this materials before as a lawyer can tell. first of all we have to understand what the real through yes this case would have to understand with him whoa whoa way the wall in this case is what i would have to be responsible for it is a possible to be responsible for one or other case and in this case first of all this were important for us because. i don't like speculation but wishes that evacuation he gave testimonies he had made it to his guild i mean there's no question about him playing a role in that and substituting the samples and so on that is all on tape that's the substance of allegations against russia but he never. better than personal

responsibility is that's right but yes but i want to. tell you only bowled the responsibility i don't want discuss about mr ocean go responsibility because it's not my question and i don't want to be in the queues are all. i only think in a bold i mean the russian reputation. their own money question both of them reports but in any case it's the way well we cool the weather with the tele bolted ok what it's not interesting for ok let me rephrase it and that's going to be the final question if russia is fully transparent and forthcoming in satisfying all the why the requirements i am going down as a had there facade that once russia has done its part i am going to require that's why that does something about bringing that man to account ok it's

yes i think it's really possible well who will understand what wars that are all each person who was in walden this process. oh. i propose before. my proposal was to organize a working group in the wish. and then expose. it in this case. to. the. who. have to be responsible for the. materials have to be prepared to go to court. mr ganis we have to leave it there i really appreciate. thank you. this conversation going on our social media.

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