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hello and welcome to won't a part of the russians have to clean up their act that has been the refrain from international sporting officials ever since be doping scandal hit the russian olympic and paralympic team three years on the russian and she doping agency has regained its compliance status within the water system and the questions and a new handles about the integrity of the country's big sports still remain will they ever be sat down to discuss that i'm now joined by the newly appointed

director general you're gonna see mr ganesan is going to talk to thank you very much for your time co. now let me start with the first few personal questions because you are a professional manager you've held a number of executive positions but from what i've been able to gather big sports and not your area of expertise do you see that as a shortcoming or as an advantage in this new position. totally agree with you. came to the. not from the sports area. professional director or working as an independent director but i think first of all my experience more than earlier one went away rebuilt. we have to organize and lead independent national into the essence of my previous experience before so that was i worked as independent director doing

the ten years is there any difference in how you would approach running a state affiliated enterprise as opposed to these agency which serves crucial russian interests but is supposed to be fully independent from the state. yes to some a little bit strange because when we discuss above the company which is with government financing we depend from the government that some a little bit especially in russia but now we're really independent because we approach and lead all our professional experience here and we work because on the international wall times and open court. a few weeks ago you got yourself into a bit of argument with russian officials about the missing of a deadline when water was supposed to gain access to electronic databases all the

doping probes even felt compelled to appeal to president putin directly why did you need to do that. because the focus of all international sports and communities here focused on russia now you often. say the onus is on russia to prove that it's transparent that it's willing to cooperate with wada. do you think russia is doing enough in that regard working a quid on the requirements. is extremely important for russia because. realizing of all requirements especially requirements of second stage of decision executive committee of what. important because from this depends. next stages and. it's not the question of compliance before

it's a question of the future generation of russian it's not future because of the generation it's a question of the. what possible it will be how we within the wall of. the international competition in the russian musician. and. negative results and negative. situation in this case. we will be limited to involve the international competition that are something to that it was extremely important. estimated that the step by step. possibility to be in time now can i ask you specifically about that appeal to put in because i know that you worth and studied for a long time in lending right later seem to hear. about the importance hometown did

you know him personally before your point when there are so no. i didn't. i don't have any contact with. president bush in the ministration. i tried to be in quantum. with president of the ministration but didn't and. don't you find this ironic that you as a had of an independent agency in russia still have to appeal to the country's leader to make sure that your agency can function as intended you mention that it's crucially important for russia. isn't it i guess an interesting characteristic of the russian system that in a new way you still have to be in a knee problem you still have to involve the president and now with concert there are many question depends on the president and i thought before the this question

has to be solved. on the live different level but. we are losing the last of the time and the by rio and for me was were important to call the president because. question what will be what could be in the next stage was real crucial critical for us now let me ask one more question about that. missing of a deadline that delayed which why they didn't. use against russia even though it was pressured to do you think it was ultimately due to i don't know if failure of negotiations. maybe j.n.u. misunderstanding or some sort of postering or evasion on the part of the russians i think it's organization wish. for example. on the second

stage i think thirty's have to start to work in negotiations now yes we're waiting with results will be with a summation of what database but than any case. we share of the times curial limited. to the. g.g. joe thirty year. old. professional sports and not to drop in community will fall on this date and. i think. don't give us any possible. date during your recent press conference you said that in order to rebuild its relationship with y. that russia. cunt hole just to turn the page build new facilities and move on it has to get to the bottom of any by lesions that may have taken place in the past it

sounds like you believe that there are some forces in russia whom may not be willing to pursue that path is that right. i think i don't want to comment your question because first the full responsibility for my error sponsibility sometime i think. worth working in russia is. because we didn't have any support i mean serious support yes we have support from many so sports we working and said the working group ok it's what a nice but we need nobody hearing. nobody racing a boat special position that professional position. hold to for what may be. for example the person who is the. president pushing the trip to schools to hold the information. today for them to

be. coming information do i understand you correctly mr gao knows that you feel like your work is not being fully support here in russia when we discuss a ball the real support for example like the case which was before the civil case and nobody discussed with. maybe only minutes of sports but. most of all above the common question. and. when i discuss the ball the support i told to both the efforts to solve the current doping situation the progress. yes i understand or worked in the responsible for the areas of responsibility but i want to tell now we need to tell

a different level of corporation. we. were serious enemy. as a thing and then this case although also the polar enough voters have to be called by the air force special and cooperation when we have to work this direction i assume this is a very. calm and on the russian investigative committee known granting. expedient access to the most and to doping lab and from what i understand their objections were that the equipment that they wanted a specialist brought to russia wasn't fully certified in russia given that the trust is lacking on both sides both from wanted to russia and from russia to why there wasn't that justified because if that data is taken by some equipment that the russians specialist don't fully trust you understand that later on in case

there is some tampering found then. the questions could be raised in this disagreement can the rise about the you know who committed that tampering understand what i mean wasn't that the russians trying to protect themselves as well against what they perceive as perhaps bias treatment by wada crystal. or to steroid to real situation is because the price so for this question was too high but on the other so we we didn't know the. air force. cooperation. we're told. the hell the boat did because. we. developing elwyn's to get some experience here but in any case we

need real support in the form of what do you mean by real supporting real supporting when will receive all the supporting from all areas so fall with. responsibilities and when for example with this chaos co-working regional so kate went to work with the for the duration and we would all. this work and for the duration for example and steady work but them so. all the cells with all the serious supporting and i mean it's one question the question. is a question. all the measures of. soloing this doping crisis i mean coworker are we in the sygate with whom we work and in this generation because c.s. formally we work only in the limit the. possibility which we ship yes but we develop this experience and this experience it depends on us now mr going to

have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments. join me every thursday on the alex salmond chill and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back to worlds apart from assad and director general gunness mr gunness why they made it clear that despite earning in keeping its compliance they just russia

and side are still know that out of the woods yet and if any tempering is discovered in the post tampering is confident in the in the database of doping probes russian athletes good lose a chance of representing themselves in the country at the two thousand and twenty olympic and paralympic games in your own estimation how high is that. of tampering being discovered i believe in the positive. results of this. data base. i think we have this risk but please understand me we didn't show any attention to this commission which worked and we didn't in the walls. in this. work. exactly what condition of the base was that but i.

hope this. will. progress over the. period because. the real. what the current situation with. the water situation with. probes for russian outlets. for water that we will investigate they provide the process and the base will be enough to prove to finalize this is. over this is. think. positive you seem to invest a lot of confidence in. the due process by wada. i

think it's pretty evident that there is also a very strong and to russian lobbying within that organization particularly from the british and from the american and to doping agencies why do you think why that these juncture at least didn't succumb to that pressure why did they allow your organization to keep its compliance. listen first of all. this was the. for y. that this experience with. her on the throat stage because until the spirit of the to do about rules i think the one of the main reasons why i know we're working as compliant or going is a shame to the national organization because of all saw the today is that the different organization compared to the previous issue. which was still two thousand and fifteen. to all previous history because.

we're working. with it's one of the best national it's a drop in edge and see in the world i heard you say that one of the agencies that help you rebuilt the site of from scratch was you cat the british and to doping agency you were very grateful to them during a press conference and yet they continue had you taking against your agency at any possible turn why is that yes we were close to up their way with the british sent to syria and they brought for us or will will you. because it was the. one of the main national of the dip in the agency which supported us doing the compliance probably why they don't support here at any turn when it comes to the voting question not only do you cause it's question not question all that to use.

i want to tell you all the work you did with appropriate with you saw the investigation based on that d.v.d. now and they believe. that it's a queer he told against you why did it not against us against russia against the russian into the open system. they believed. in the current condition they don't believe the russian into the open system i just wanted to add to that that this presumption of russia being guilty in the eleven malevolent is very present in the in the west and it permeates into every area of operation not just sports can you really overcome with regard less of how transparent and forthcoming you are when they believe that russia is in the wrong is so strong it's is it on the stand why they see him as if he is same appear. to us

and first before we think we made what we did for last three years with russian authorities didn't do anything during the last three years and when the minister of sports come from yes ok we'll go on lies access to the law and the we are received there will hear sure level of the criticize because they didn't believe us and when we lost the. date of the first stage. the you remember targets various michael occur from you say it told i told you we would believe russia and we come from his words because we. solve all this first stage in the realtor. now investigating the

russian cases what changed its legal fund and started treating russians. as guilty until proven innocent rather than the other way around and it also meted out the collective punishment based on that premise do you think that it was fair and justified. i think i. guess the collective punishment and why they were all such as far as what the decision on the water comes from of compliance because it's impossible. that's will be the limit to the possibilities of two buses but to sit by the national competition. will be. misunderstandable situation where will. lose the compliance in that tradition when the real voter competitive the world of professional want to

see the last due to come from the. i think first of all wish to have to think it bold the. what we have to do what we have to do to rebuild trust capital we sure. some years ago you've been very critical throughout this interview of the russian side and perhaps justifiably so but don't you think that's why the also has to learn some lessons and change something in its work for example many would claim that they'd process the mclaren report very very uncritically and i think some of the rulings by the court of arbitration for sports also prove that in fact specifically the the court's rulings say that the muslim report was insufficient to establish that any anti doping rule violation was committed so don't you think that's why they're

also has to perhaps change its ways a little bit i think. while they're working. they purpose lyon and they. estimated step by step and saw they were for. real understanding the real. working. during the investigation process with three and so forward must follow. when we discuss a both a lot of the reports. told to bode before. i think to the miss america lot of respect. i think. it to organize the roadmap a special two or. old. question requirements for mr muckle i wish him luck in the muck lot of the board it's not

the question over their compliance because it's a question clause but i know that all international sports for the ration they is some way to sort of bolt the. lists which are fixed in this reports and they work with this mr going to report this based almost exclusively on the testimony of. the the former head of the most law a person who is directly implicated in all those crimes a person who is guilty of not just ethical transgressions he's criminally guilty this is a crime to do what he did and he never faced any responsibility for what he did is where whereabouts are unknown why they didn't bring any charges against him don't you think that's why that as an organization that is committed to fighting doping violations has a moral responsibility to bring that man to account. i think in any case it's not

depends. on what. materials. base this reports how they do it but but in any case i mean in any case when there's somebody ghost or us. with. the some serious question yes. they bring for for us of the special well actual cases. and then this case and all dyckman which marked in this report we in any case would have to estimate that it will go to market for us to once an old time i've totally agree with you without my question to you is whether wada if because mr rauch was working on behalf of wada so what the shares responsibility

here why don't you think why has to put more pressure on them merican intelligence agencies who are now controlling. and bringing him to justice according to american law because in the united states it is also a crime to do what he did why does he go away and face no responsibility whatsoever for doing what he did. i don't know exactly what i can tell you because i didn't saw this materials before and as a lawyer i can tell. first of all we have to understand what the real through yes this case would have to understand. with. how we have all of this case is what i will have to be responsible for it is a possible to be responsible for one other case and in this case first of all this were important for us because. i don't like speculation but wishes that evacuation

he gave testimony as he had made it to his guild i mean there's no question about him playing a role in that and substituting the samples and so on that is all on tape that's the substance of allegations against russia but he never better than personal responsibility is that's right but yes but i want to. tell you the only response a bit i don't want discuss about mr ocean go responsibility because it's not my question and i don't want to be in accuser all. i only think him. i mean the russian reputation. their own money question both of them michael outboards but in any case. it's the way well we cool the weather with the bolted ok why it's not to answer some for ok let me rephrase it and that's going to be the final question if russia is fully transparent and forthcoming in

satisfying all the wider requirements i am going down as a had there facade that once russia has done its part i am going to require. something about bringing that man to account ok yes i think it's really possible well who will understand what was that are all each person who was in walden this process. is possible all the. close a summation of this. i proposed before. my proposal was to the working group in the wish the wall the always first and then express. on the other side that in this case step by step we have to estimate the current situation from one case to the. whole and forewards have to be

responsible for the state of the. materials have to be prepared to go to court. mr gast we have to move in there i really appreciate your spending so much ten minutes and thank you encourage our years to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see again same place same time here on the part.

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