all. along welcome to all to part of the russians have to clean up their act that has been the refrain from international sporting officials ever since the doping scandal hit the russian olympic and paralympic teams three years on the russian and she joking agency has regained its compliance status within the water system but the question's and innuendos about the integrity of the country's big sports still remain will they ever be settled won't discuss that i'm now joined by the newly

appointed director general. mr gunness it's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time cole now let me start with a for a few personal questions because you are a professional manager you have held a number of executive positions but from what i've been able to gather big sports are not your area of expertise do you see that as a shortcoming or as an advantage in this new position. totally agree with you. came to the. not from the area. professional director working as an independent director but i think first of all my experience more than earlier one when we have rebuilt. we have to organize and lead independent national and to depend as n.c. . my previous experience before there was i worked as independent director doing

the ten years is there any difference in how you would approach running a state affiliated enterprise as opposed to these agency which serves crucial russian interests but is supposed to be fully independent from the state. yes to some a little bit strange because when we discuss above the company which is with government financing which from the government is some of the pressure especially in russia but now with really independent because we. and lead all of our professional experience here. we work because on the international law. that's called. a few weeks ago you got yourself into a bit of argument with russian officials about the missing over down the line when water was supposed to gain access to electronic debit databases all the doping

probes even felt compelled to appeal to president putin directly why did you need to do that because the focus of all international sports to come in is here focused on russia now you often. say the onus is on russia to prove that it's transparent that it's willing to cooperate with wada. do you think russia is doing enough in that regard we're going to put on the requirements of world is extremely important for russia because. realizing of all requirements especially requirements on the second stage of the decision executive committee of what. important because from there is the pounce. next stages and. it's not the question of compliance

before. it's a question of the future generation of russian it's not future because of the generation it's a question of. what possibility will be how will the wall of. the international competition in russian music show. and. negative results and negative. situation in this case. we will believe that do we involve the international competition or something to that it was extremely important question. estimated that the step by step. last possibility to be in time now can i ask you specifically about that appeal to put in because i know that you worth and studied for

a long time in learning about latest pieces about the importance hometown did you know him personally before your point when there are so no. i didn't. i don't have any contact with. president putin and ministration. i tried to be in contact. with president of the ministration but i didn't receive and. don't you find this ironic that you as a had of an independent agency in russia still have to appeal to the country's leader to make sure that your agency can function as intended you mentioned that it's crucially important for them isn't it i guess an interesting characteristic of the russian system that in a new way you still have to be in a knee problem you still have to involve the president and now with concert there are many question depends on the president and i thought before that this question

has to be solved. on the live different level but. we are losing the most of the time and the by rio and for me was were important to call to the president because. question what will be what could be in the next stage was real crucial critical for us now let me ask one more question about that. missing of a deadline that delayed which why they didn't. use against russia even though it was pressure it's you do you think it was ultimately due to i don't know if failure of negotiations. maybe j.n.u. misunderstanding or some sort of postering or evasion on the part of the russians i think it's organization push. for example. on the second

stage i think third to skip to start to work negotiation. yes well which is what results will be with a summation of what database but than any case. we share of the times curial limited. to. eugénie joe thirty year. old. professional sports and not a drop in community will fall on this date and. i think. don't give us any possible. date during your recent press conference you said that in order to rebuild its relationship with y. that russia. country. just to turn the page build new facilities and move on it has to get to the bottom of any by lesions that may have taken place in the past it

sounds like you believe that there are some forces in russia whom may not be willing to pursue that path is that right. i think i don't want to comment your question because first the full responsibility for my error or for responsibility sometimes i think. worth working in russia is. because we didn't have any support i mean serious support yes we have support from any sort of sports we working and said the working group ok it's what a nice but we need nobody hearing. nobody racing the boat special position that professional position. to probe what may be. for example the person who is the. president pushing

through to schools to hold the information. to different appeal. to many information do i understand you correctly mr gao knows that you feel like your work is not being fully supported here in russia when we discuss a ball the real supportive for example like a case which was before this one case and nobody discussed with. maybe only minutes of sports but. most of all above the common question. and. when i discuss the ball the support i told to both the air force the current. situation the progress. yes i understand or worked in the responsible for the areas of responsibility but i

want to tell now we need to live due for a level of corporation. we. were serious enemy. as a thing and then this case although it also the poet says have to be called by the air force a special in cooperation when we have to work this direction i assume this is a very. calm and on the russian investigative committee known granting. expedient access to the most antidoping lab and from what i understand their objections were that the equipment that they wanted a specialist brought to russia wasn't fully certified in russia given that the trust is lacking on both sides both from wanted to russia and from russia to why there wasn't that justified because if that data is taken by some equipment that

the russian specialists don't fully trust you understand that later on in case there is some tampering found them. the questions could be raised in this disagreement can the rise about the you know who committed that tempering understand what i mean wasn't that the russians trying to protect themselves as well against what they perceive as perhaps biased treatment by wada crystal. to real situation is because the price of this question was too high but on the other so we have we didn't know the. air force. cooperation. we're told. the well the bolted because. we. developing elwyn

a suggestion experience here but in any case we need real support in the form of what do you mean by real supporting real supporting when will receive all the supporting from all areas so fall with. responsibilities and when for example with this chaos co-working regional so kate went to work with the for the duration and we would all. this work and for the duration for example and. work but themselves. always sells with all of the serious supporting and i mean it's one question the question. is a question. all the measures of. soloing this doping crisis i mean coworker are we in the sygate with whom we work and in this direction because he is formally we work only in the limit the. possibility which we share yes but

we develop this experience and this experience it depends on us now mr going to have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments. most people think to stand out in this business you need to be the first one on top of the story or the person with the loudest voice of the biggest raid in truth to stand out in the news business you just need to ask the right questions and demand the right answer.

question. welcome back to worlds apart from assad and director general irregardless mr gunness why they made it clear that despite earning in keeping its compliance they just russia and the assad are still no doubt of the woods yet and if any tempering is discovered in the post tampering it's comfort in the in the database adopting probes russian athletes could lose a chance of representing themselves in the country at the two thousand and twenty olympic and paralympic games in your own estimation how high is that. of tampering

being discovered i believe on the positive. results of this measurement for all the data base. i think we have this week but. we didn't show any attention to this commission which work. we did in the walls of. this. work and i don't know exactly what condition of the base was in that but. i hope this. will. purpose over the t.v. because. the real. what the current situation with of the. cold water situation.

with. probes. as the for war their willingness to give the process. of the police will be enough to prove. from the us what this is. over this is a place i think this case will go positive you seem to invest a lot of confidence in. the due process by wada and that's despite i think it's pretty evident that there is also very strong and to russian lobbying within that organization particularly from the british and from the american and to doping agencies why do you think why that at these juncture at least didn't succumb to that pressure why did they allow your organization to keep its compliance. yes and first of all. this why the.

for why the this experience here with. her on the throne stage because until the spirit of the rules i think the one of the main reasons why i know we're working as comply or going is a sham to the national organization because all saw the two days is that the different organization compared to the previous issue. which was still two thousand and fifteen. to all previous history because. we're working. with it's one of the best national it's a drop in the edge and see in the world i heard you say that one of the agencies that helped you rebuilt with saddam from scratch was you cat the british antidoping agency you were very grateful to them during a press conference and yet they continue had you taping against your agency at any

possible turn why is that yes we were close to it the way with the british want to see it and they brought for us a real way to you. because it was the. one of the main national of the dip in the agency which supported us doing the compliance probably why they don't support here at any turn when one it comes to the voting question not only do you cause it's question not question all that to yourself. i want to tell you all the work you did with the corporate rate with you saw the investigation based in the b.b.c. now and they believe. that it's a queer he showed against you why did it not against us against russia against the russians to do open system call on. they believe. in god on condition

they don't believe the russian into the open system i just wanted to add to that that this presumption of russia being guilty in the eleven malevolent is very present in the in the west and it permeates into every area of operation not just sports can you really overcome with regard less of how transparent and forthcoming you are when they believe that russia is in the wrong is so strong it's is it on the stand why are they saying that if she is same appear. to us and first before we have to think to assimilate what we did for. three years. russian authorities didn't do anything during the last three years and when the minister of sports comes from yes ok we'll guys access to the op and there we are received we will hear sure level of the criticize

because they didn't believe us and when the we lost the. date of the first stage. you remember targets various my color from you say it told i told you we would believe russia. we come from his words because we. not sold all this first stage in the real to. now investigating the russian case is what changed its legal standard and it started treating russians. as guilty until proven innocent rather than the other way around and it also meted out the collective punishment based on that premise do you think that it was fair and justified. i think i. guess the collective

punishment and why they were all such as far as the water decision when the water comes from a compliance because it's impossible. all over clean up let's will be the limit to the possibilities of two buses but to sit by the national competition . will be. misunderstandable situation where we'll. lose the compliance in that tradition but when the real voter compares it to the world of professional want to see. it conform they have. i think first of all wish to have to think it bold the. what we have to do it will have to rebuild trust capital we sure.

some years ago you've been very critical throughout this interview of the russian side and perhaps justifiably so but don't you think that's why the also has to learn some lessons and change something in its work for example many would claim that it processes the mclaren report very very uncritically and i think some of the rulings by the court of arbitration for sports also prove that in fact specifically the the court's rulings say that the muslim report was insufficient to establish that any anti doping rule violation was committed so don't you think that's why they're also has to perhaps change its ways a little bed i think. while they're working. their purpose lyon and they. estimated step by step and saw they were for. real understanding the real. working.

during the investigation process with three and so forward must follow. when we discuss a ball the. lot of the reports. told to bowed to before. i think the missing michael out of the respect person. i think. it to organize the road map is special to. all. question the requirements for mr michael i wish him luck in the muck lot of the board it's not the question of their compliance or because it's a question of course but i know that all international sports federation there is some way to sort of bolt the. lists which are fixed in this reports and they work with this mr going to is that the report is based

almost exclusively on the testimony of. the the former head of the most a person who is directly implicated in all those crimes a person who is guilty of not just ethical transgressions he's criminally guilty this is a crime to do what he did and he never faced any responsibility for what he did is whereabouts unknown why they didn't bring any charges against him don't you think that's why that as an organization that is committed to fighting doping violations has a moral responsibility to bring that man to account. i think in any case. it's not depends. on what. materials. base this reports how they do it but but in any case i mean in any case when somebody goes door. with. the some serious question yes. they are going for four so the special will actual cases.

and then this case and the old. man which mark the reports we and then a case would have to estimated it would go to market for us to switch winds and the whole time i've totally agree with you without my question to you is whether wadah if because mr rauch was working on behalf of wada so what the shares responsibility here why don't you think why has to put more pressure on them eric in intelligence agencies who are now controlling. and bring him to justice according to american law because in the united states it is also a crime to do what he did why does he go away and face no responsibility whatsoever for doing what he did. i don't know exactly what i can tell you because i

didn't saw this materials before and as a lawyer can tell. first of all we have to understand what the real through yes this case would have to understand with. call how we have all of this cases why we have to be responsible for it is a possible to be responsible for want of a case and in this case first of all this were important for us because. i don't like speculation but wishes that evacuation he gave testimonies he had made it to his guild i mean there's no question about him playing a role in that and substituting the samples and so on that is all on tape that's the substance of allegations against russia but he never. better than personal responsibility is that's right but yes but i want to. tell you only

response a bit i don't want discuss about mr ocean girl responsibility because it's not my question and i don't want to be in the queues are all. i only think. i mean the russians reputation. their own money question and both of them reports but in any case it's the way when the we call the one with the bolted ok it's not interesting for ok let me rephrase it and that's going to be the final question if russia is fully transparent and forthcoming in satisfying all the why the requirements i am going down as a had their facade that once russia has done its part i was going to require that. something about bringing that man to account ok it's yes i think it's all the possible when will understand what wars that are all each person who was in walden

this process. it is possible although. with close a summation of this. i proposed before. my proposal was to the working group in the wish the wall all that always and then the national express. that in this case step by step would have to estimate the current situation from one case to all the. cool and four wards have to be responsible for the state of the materials have to be prepared to go to court. we have to move in there. and thank you. this conversation going on our social media. time here in part.

i. i. didn't get that kind of a scenario. as the crisis in the country.