sophie shevardnadze yellow last protests paralyzed friends for weeks on end sending shock waves across. the new french revolution in the making or just a splash in the sand when i asked him an out of former presidential candidate and founder of the solidarity progress party. clashing with police. and where exactly do they want to take you. now to former presidential candidate and a founder of the solidarity and progress party welcome to the show great to have you with us so mr sherman at this streets of paris are getting even more colorful blue

vests the rest scarfs are new movements that march just recently to voice their frustration with the yellow best protests is this a sign that the french are getting fed up with all the commotion is just a beginning of a serious pushback. is known as the street. greek . reaction against. the state against administration against institutions and against president mccormack that mccaw seeing as a result of many many years of this people came to the streets having been forgotten it's a forgotten majority in that sense be taken care of and they want a state who is their state we other people are saying so it's very important because in the province you still have all these people meeting and this by the efforts of your authorities to get rid of them they are still around and in paris.

it's different when they came to paris to show france would come to paris then there was all these provoker from extreme left or extreme right and the government trying to disrupt the motion of the movement but now as a movement is there and it's a groundswell. and these people are protesting against the bully see. that would be a runoff from the top. level so this is true the monastery on the top of the runnels goes above operational money to the classes of the society and the protest of this is we want our money back and that's the issue no i mean we will all understand what's behind the point of yellow vests like everyone understands it's a popular opera or against you know across palaces for the rich but the point is.

whatever we're seeing right now in a sense of paris whether as yellow vests over the counter protests with you blue scar blue vests and the red scarves those are also people right and there seem to be clashing with each other the political center has been retained only described as dad in our iran of polarization but there are the counter protests and is this a sign that it could be actually coming back to life. well mccall can see the both cheeks as a number that extreme left on the scene right and he says we are the center but the problem is that the center if an entree rotting because of french elites submitted to financial globalism these yellow vests this start understanding it started from. the the limiter that eighty kilometers per hour

instead of ninety so they need to go fast to go to the jobs are far from the jobs of the protested that there was a guzzling prize and there was a purchasing power and then there was a quarter for d.d. but while they understand is that something above france which is this financial globalism is a real issue and they want to recover. that i will counter it cause the issuance of money now it's in the hands of the european central bank and the hands of something related to the world financial markets so they have a sense that if their recovered they could have a decent education. small and middle size from such work. good police and a good ami and they called for that they want schools they want the hospitals they want service for the people but the point is the point is that the message behind yellow vast is a noble message message no one really is disputing that but the point is what it

has turned into and the whole callous that it has brought along i mean eleven people have died at yellow vests protests in state broke out in mid november none of the deaths happened as a result of police action i mean that's a lot the level of poor talent he at this protest has been remarkable how do you explain this. france has always been a very dense country and there is because of all the social advances in the past and these advances are threatened today it's not that there is inequality per se but there is. chances to be to get a better life so these people are protesting against that and the police was not in the cities organized for that all was given weapons against demonstrators that were not the other quit now they have all these. difference

where the frost bowls and then they have these. granados. they call them. and use that cream or gender and i know it's so all these happens because there was not an organisation from above two hundred one to happen it was not expected by people above i expected it there are some seen two thousand and nine that's coming and the anger now is there and it's there for a long time it's they have been provoked in a sense of provoking. those one of these months it is a social french system another the ones that are calling for justice and truth talk to me a little of or about the police response and when a bunch of people have lost their vision and even eyes in some cases as a result of police using right weapons at the same time the interior minister

denies police pepper tallit do you think acts of police violence are random in the head of the moment accidents or do you feel that the security forces a lot of whom are also injured and ended up injured are losing their patience with the street protestors. according to the state there were one thousand five hundred injured among the demonstrators and once i was on among the police the dead people were mainly crushed by cos one woman was shot out from a was watching from a window and she was shot on something arrived because she got a shot on the head so that's more or less what howie it is but there were eighty two injured people with great damage for them for example almost vegas who is one of the charismatic leaders was hit by a flushable on the hate and he's probably losing one i saw this as created

a lot of discontent because everybody saying that the police has been given it freehand for an excessive kind of demonstration i think it's absolutely true so this is because france you have it like of the state is like a pyramid and this pyramid is shaken by this the most traitors so everybody in the pyramid tends to overreact and at this point the only way to get out of feet is to give to the demonstrators something that they asked for violence as well. however i guess there is no such thing as bad publicity after all do you feel that the controversy is part of what has kept the movement going while started its outreach efforts maybe still keeps it going. well this started. among the you know various person to person contacts and then related to facebook

and zuckerberg the head of facebook questions jago everything so the goal of as we're able to connect among themselves in a much more efficient and faster way and it's it was it reacted like that and it's a kind of battleship butt. them can affect something wrong hop owns the sailors are giving. damage meets bad meat and there is a revolver but what's important it's what's behind it and what falls in public so of course the media by filming it racing and the source and that's what people with their own phones filming the whole are seen as being a fact or off like situation of the most of the motion and yes i thought of wrong sayings of being said about old people and there was a kind also. an east view of seeings some some people say that it was the extreme right others say that was extreme left other people say

it was russia we're going to use that all seeings that created an environment where people were confused so what i said before try to make what other really shoes behind this confusion all right we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to jack shimming add a former presidential candidate founder of the solidarity and progress party discussing the yellow vast protests in france stay with us. thank you and that. u.s. veterans who come back from war often tell the same stories. were going after the

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and we're back with me nat a former presidential candidate and founder of the solidarity in progress party talking about the french protests and how they will affect the european political landscape so mr schmidt a man mccoy is now in tour through the country's regions with the so-called great debate q. and a session with the local local representatives do you think this is something that the yellow vests have forced them to do something useful or is he just trying to sweep the walk under the yellow best movement feet is trying to control the debate and he pointed. to the debates or the yellow vests one for him to the crop. and also present to the frenchman says on

a review. we kind of continue to reduce taxes without growing the global level of our public expenses so if. there is no we gave. it right done so to the months of the year all this in the protest doesn't do you to concede the possibility of it national credit so that this protest there were partially triggered by climate tax which has now been rolled back. how much more to the protesters want to achieve and can they. utilize the reality because this is. something and then. they said they want to do it this is not compromise this is not some see which is. sort of blackmail so they don't like this type of block me so one of the points that that's been coming up in a debate around the yellow that's movement is day idea that there is

a need for higher taxes on the rich earlier i spoke to jacob frenkel of j.p. morgan chase and he said that such measures and dissuading the rich for saving and investment and thus home for scores for all want to tax on the wealthy only drive them away from france into some kind of a tax haven. it has already being a move out of france of some of the rich people the issue is not that the issue isn't my call organize it both as a first climbed and the other sayings of the other core victims so you can't organize an economy thinking that the first kleinberg would give money and would organize economy for those below them under them so that the issue the issue is not so much to tax the rich is to create wealth and you create wealth by public credit for the future betting on the future this is what has been the policy of france after world war two ways there was nobody to tuck's because there was no way

there was no seems to sale there was nothing. in there was no money to be found so there was public credit bet on the future and it worked france was a construct and i think that russia the soviet union of these days was also a construct it by the will of the people and created for the future and that's the shoe so as not to tax the rich and other thing is that the movement of the yellow vests doesn't really have a leader or so they claim that they don't have a leader it's really hard to understand what exactly they want because there's no one person that would speak out for them how can i call plaque a pan and caving to their demands when they don't really have a go to working group to top corner. you know this ng's looks like in a way it's very different but it looks like the beginning of the french revolution

where there were no leaders and essential movement these people that you know various they didn't know each other they never went to most of them never went to demonstrations after crossing in the middle class people from a working class background that's why they are so. found themselves to be there this one saw that the king is naked and another one sort of the king is naked the king being the morning and now they say that yes we are all things the same thing and we want to be together and we despise political institutions with despise politicians the level of respect for politicians at this point in france is nine percent and the most respected seeing is a public hospital which is ninety percent so that so these people they have. to be leaders and it's a lot some would call rosa luxemburg in the old days call that they must try ferment it's a ferment it's firmaments so in this moment there is no real leader some appear

like a. pretty little dusky there are names others try to launch at least but at least was patronized by my core because my quite expect that they least of you know vest would siphon votes out of the extreme left the extreme right and out of the. center right opposition so they are all these contradictions but this you know of as movement is saw difficult to characterize as a political movement that the only way to give them a purpose would be the issuance of money in how the money is issued and for what if not. it would be something that would remain as a groundswell in france hitting the. world and not going anywhere. in the united states you have trump for the same

reason in italy the presence of so-called popular government in france is something more it goes more in depth of the fabric of society ok so talking of the fabric of society you have all of this people a lot of them here not a by what they're against the same movement will split as soon as the time comes to decide what you are for because right now the only thing he nithing them against. for tonight's them is also the. citizens referendum initiative. and they want that because they want participative policies fed up with the representative. so at the same time it's very interesting that sometimes you need an education so it will be a long process for them to be educated in how the society functions they know it

functions. the wrong way and it wrong way but they don't know how to make it function in the right way and my job as a. dissidents. is to organize them to understand why they have to do positively it's difficult it will be an educational ask which will take wrong but it's very interesting because one of his yellow vests who want to petition from cells in france calling for a national bank and saying there should be this referendum but the question should be a national bank and not how many did cuties are you against or not against abortion or against this by not enough of those issues the so-called social resource a real issue which is how you organize a state and how we should money and for what and these demands to be truthful break with the present european union and for the rest spect of the true

european civilization. yet it seems to me that the yellow vests are like other st louis occupy or even arab spring or the greek and spanish protest you see any similarities as of now they meet in assemblies of a country and they discuss and they try to figure out what they want we are at this point but at the same time you have other movements you have the for it bad movement of. the help you have movement in hospitals of what they are cutting the financing of hospitals so nurses are in a state of rebellion also doctors you have the yellow. sorry the. red education people for example if you want to measure the conditions of the social conditions in this contrary it person who started.

would have more or less would gain more or less. why is two hundred percent of. average wage now it's only a hundred percent so there is a lowering in the income of people in the whole social services so that explains in part at least the yellow vests the other part is that they don't feel represented by the user politicians they are trying to find among themselves who represent the self and that's really with classroom something that's not short term exactly but with a grassroots and leaderless movement like you said the yellow vests you will have your share of wacky people crazy people but it seems that anti-semitism believe in conspiracy theories holocaust denial all of that is very much present among the

yellow vests to feel like yellow vests are maybe in danger of being hijacked by radicals like this. noise and seeing saw they're being provoked by radicals all the time but they themselves they care of the right across the seeing is that it was being the style of firm and this type of uprising they had not the security services so now little by little it was a help of some unionists there organizing the security services for their own demonstrations so it's a process of education and. my bet is that this process of education would leave them in a good direction good for the people good for the nation after all the french constitution says a principle of france is a government of the people for the people by the people so they have to understand

that that means respect of all. what belongs to the state and not an old to be come to interview or property and not to break things around. so i think this rage is there but it's very limited to with very few you know various i mean it's provoked by extreme right wing of the extreme left wing educators and probably also. in the police. even in the government some people respect the violence would disagree that you know this point where some yellow vests want to branch out into traditional politics preparing to run for they hear a pale actions actually either is condemned the idea and are pledging to keep up their street brand of politics how big can this division get can the rift grow big enough to splinter the movement. this is this is an advanced approach to discredited. who is ok the very least

a woman. and. this woman was. recruited by b.f.m. t.v. which is the major which is hated by the you know best so she she has not in a sense. it's a person or authority to have business there already two people left is least one of them was it i don't mccall agent at threave so this list would need to know way out probably. the leader. or the fury those while an influence i don't believe does in the us or sense but they are references of the you know of s. they call for the least and they called for a long term thinking and education and to form that would go in depth of emotion in french society which is much beyond the opium elections i think this

european elections are in advance fake because if you live on one side the so-called populist or national sovereignty is our other side's a progressive so-called reformist it's it's just a construct it's nothing it doesn't go into the real problems of the kountry and the yellow vests imo connected to the real problems of the contrary the politicians running in your parent actions that recession that thank you very much for the center here where we're talking to is action add a former presidential candidate and founder of the solidarity and progress party is causing the french protests and that's it for this edition of stefan qassim next.

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