the seven nations of the u. she did arguably hit the nail on the head with u.k. labor leader jeremy corbyn just corben about so-called e.u. state aid rules they could prevent a radical corben government from bringing britain's health care banking water energy telecommunications and transport systems under democratic control it talks about a strong single market relationship with european union in the future i want to know whether that means he wants to accept all e.u. states rules for example because in the past he subjected to state rules well of course this is prime minister's questions so corgan replied as he might as leader of her majesty's opposition last time i looked at the order paper it said prime minister's question time is right of course it is a time for questions for the pm not him at least for now but the fact corbin gets away with not answering questions of detail about labor plans to reverse decades of facts right near liberalism is arguably down to a failure of mainstream journalism all the more ironic than the juries of may have just celebrated journalism celebrated it as her ministers harass this t.v.

station and its bureau down the road from parliament here she answers a question from m.p. john wishing dale who has defacto considered shutting this show down i certainly agree with him about the important role that a free press and journalist play an argument chris's but how democratic that alone free societies in the neo liberal west and why the demonstrations for washington chosen politicians in venezuela covered more than those in say fronts because today for the twelfth week in a row emanuel macro security forces will no doubt be firing grenades at civilians in the streets of paris joining me now via skype from france is mathematical and statistical physicist jawbreaker moore george thanks so much for coming back on so why do you think three thousand have been injured ten dead up to today's demonstrations why is this happening in micros france where again it's a movement which has actually seen and expected but which is also very bad. and as

i said to a friend yesterday to the birth of anarchism there with the appeal is that because the artist have been totally focused in the ng and nationally is that they freshly censored then they have not understood that dog desperation of the people and of course those peoples are patriotic so that doesn't fit with anarchism traditionally and are still but what it is is that it's a self organize room and of the masses if you wish of the downtrodden of the people or been left behind by this or globalization which is just one way to say the new version of accumulation of capital and these people of course have been attacked by the media the so-called free press and in credit pressed by the government you can't find anything similar except during the algerian war and even then ok in education world they were similar repression but nothing like that was happening in one thousand nine hundred fifty eight and of course nothing like that after that this population is socialistically similar to those people who voted for blacks isn't voted for but the ninety people who voted for i see no sign of

serious civil food on days in the racism or anything like that it is people rican fans ok well this is important to realize that france is different and the people of france is not what is made up to be being racist as it is above that be that use their position of places and anti-semitism etc as a weapon and the other weapon the use is to at use foreign intervention which is a hunnicutt given what they do in venezuela but this is without proof of course that these people have been supported by her shared by eaton even by the right left good vision in italy it is absolutely ridiculous of course they said after as you know also in france our team friends i don't know about the u.p.a. but it's. incredible at that point michael and from the media that bit of a upset because if there is a t.v. which is popular on the west it is the fans that i. you know some of their

journalists and when they go there they have no problem at all where the journalists on the mainstream media barely their demonstration of the you know this because they have to act even physically which is a little bit you know and avoidable given the circumstances we do we have cameras there today and of course we're under attack arguably here in britain for the english the london bureau but you're saying all this and i'm on the media blew money today i understand maybe shutting down the news came this week you say all that but the french security forces a saying they're defending themselves from hooligans mccraw the president is describing the demonstrators as hateful crowds and has said nothing about excessive force which is an edge by people like out there i mentioned you know but you see i've been in demonstrations myself and i can assure you that the people who sent the tear gas and gas first of the police and they don't do it and the necessity to

do it occasion questionis was started and it's not at all to prove that they use it on the s. and the city in fact you see some towns in the provinces where the administration of the era best and where the police does not intervene are these before they intervene they snow a lot public at all coming from the head of yes i think this is a test which is where the violence comes from an accomplice a very dangerous game because if you say all the invest that that politicians journalists juice for in their kids etc i mean this is an incredible i'm again because they don't know that that jews were in there saying it is and because of that is until it isn't that's a german jews who made that journey people don't like you because of that joke them in the great you but i mean it's unbelievably it has sponsored a bill and they're hoping they feel you're probably you know i see a philosopher in chief like you see commander in chief easy over the place in the media attacking the head of a spontaneous anything he says in connecticut is it's really irresponsible it seems she is. yes and they said it isn't for example i should say that obviously there

are people in the edge of their zone who say that it is all inclusive especially l g b g q and obviously the jewish people and people of all all faiths was limbs and all others but people around the world watching this may be surprised that france is allowed to use grenades against its own civilian population what do you make of the european court of human rights rejecting appeals made to them for the french security forces not to use grenades on the eighteen with they have said for a long time that this whole human rights business is a shadow then you know they'll be all of the nouns about that israel only had one but they're decided on silent about france and that's of course sure they understand us because the past is closer to home from their point of view and as i say i mean the valiance in france's president is in the area who are very few intellectuals factor that this internet does it by the end of this which was they didn't last me until the the very this usually is the very where i mean see this

a lot of super left intellectuals are on the side of the bus in this country a lot of them support the european union i understand you've been writing about fundament poll incommensurable problems with the actual existence of the european union just tell me about that i contrasted the republic problem of the european union as i see it is that it's democratic and it's not possible to have all the people of europe make in the foreseeable future at least one people and with these new people how can there be a democracy and what exists is a bureaucracy and then that it could be a custody european commission because a functionary set and then take an enormous amount of this isn't brought into our european people which i didn't then and if the t.t.s. allow them to meet these decisions plus we have a common currency the common currency in a state that doesn't exist is a paula you know in a way that in england there be. poor region and the other common currency but that

doesn't exist because a british state to some extent he disagreed money from the rich to the poor he did maybe not enough but to some extent they do but if you don't have that in your pocket you don't have that in your of the germans are never going to pay for the other then of course the single currency is deeply this dysfunctional ok well obviously britain wants to get out there's an arguable kind of revolution occurring here but you don't think that day's events and maybe further weeks of protest in paris are going to mean another french revolution no matter how many security forces personnel themselves may be unhappy with globalization and your liberalism. you see a compared with me sixty if you take me sixty it was a huge victory for the good east never the less the movement succeeded even do it failed in the short now that the best. not yet been defeated not after a few weeks like me sixty eight that had been defeated yet i think the real

adventure but i don't know but if it continues it made better late in this as a thousand create a navy vertical movement people will question so who are present that if they are not hazy there is a lot of movement about they are a democracy and the point is that here there is that we're going to vote for you always get the same policies or have these you get maybe the same polices simply a little worse each time regina's a democrat setup and it doesn't really matter who you vote for because the basic decision as i say after the european union or the common currency which you have to adapt to in any way for war and peace everything is they said they need to find police here you've seen with venezuela no discussion with you again that you're against human rights and out of the game so i mean we're literally in a society where the where the masses used to go to form of them ocracy is as formal as it can possibly be just briefly it's so clear why mad. girl wants bricks it to

fail that ugly well they will have access to feed because they want to lead people to these no we do it from the european union i don't understand i did it on us and even when they lead you to missy's there of making people want to leave they should be allowed to deal with too much constantine and obviously they will fail because they want to avoid the people thinking about leaving the good people who want to be formally opening and we just most of the these even these should be a day that we don't know the fate of leaving them going to change anything eventually to ensure a job really well thank you thank you for the break we investigate the treatment of refugees around the world with the world health organization down the winner of the twenty one team blueprint whistleblowing prizes were exposed to privatized detention centers linked to u.k. was and you can help sense as well the small coming up about to have going underground.

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could consider invading britain right now during this breaks a tearful and take control scottish oil i mean i'm all for.

welcome back eight years ago this month the u.k. strays or may support it calls from then prime minister david cameron that would lead to the murder of moammar gadhafi leader of africa's richest per capita country nato bombing of libya would lead to the destruction of libyan infrastructure and the worst refugee crisis since the second world war but with an average of six dying each day while attempting to cross the mediterranean last year how are those that successfully find refuge treated when they arrive in europe joining me now is dr santina sever oney of the world health organization sentido welcome to going on the grounds of the u.n. reporting some of the highest levels of displacement of history what's. the reason

reasons are remaining still social economic for the most looking for a better life for themselves and the families but indeed in the last period of our the story we've been confronted also with a number of crises around the world and national made an issue of the south that we should be in three getting people movement or forced migration will be equal force would you say there's any correlation with the war zone in this country afghanistan and iraq libya syria while indeed only stability in war is being generated in refugees or asylum seekers and displaced people mostly what we don't tell about the story mostly those people tend to look for protection in the neighboring countries because they're wishing to go back soon to their own homes so the amount of people coming to europe is not that large like some types of pos perceived by people i mean i os tres way way selfing in which we're not coordinating public gilded migrations resume when she was home secretary and there are three thousand children trying to get into this country just said well they can get into this country that

was it and this is very similar to what happened with the sector these u. of. providing provision about asylum and protection for asylum seekers and for geez it's really a national to put all that if he cited in protection of asylum process request process it's really really good to see the id through responsibility of the counter so indeed the government the police as all rights to decide will the thing to be. more appropriate yeah and the secretary said to judge it says clearly these refugees the first place there ever is france they have to stay there why should they be coming to this country the same thing with. this and with the sector it's responsibly of the going to decide what kind of health sector it's more appropriate for the needs of the country but what showed us what we are advocating is a level of show that those political decisions or polling. formulation is supposed

to be supported only on very solid evidence facts not. suggestions or emotions or sometimes even hysteria like it up in the past where fear for importation off any sort of health problem including terrible diseases was usually a company the idea of these populations we have heard if it figures released here by the government suicides rising twenty two percent in the u.k. detention camps more than off near heathrow airport actually live in the west of london who were surprised by how the narrative here is even affecting. political developments like say the bricks and river and this migration problem is not a w.h.o. health problem will kill to elizabeth it's a problem of. these people must not be allowed to come in well it's certainly interesting to see how the top people became political

sense of the event on top of the political agenda of all counties indeed these an issue of governance and probably some times of crisis of governments. a lot of misinformation is there so we thought that report would be very important instruments to make clarity at least for the public outside but indeed the authority the narrative about may gratian its i'm grounded very negative at this stage and this is just the reason change to compare we few years ago where all we where i believe that make a nation being in. facts for the country for people for the country of this nation and sending countries because of it i meet unseasoned and strong so we'll see that indicator of development and and resource for most developed societies from the public view we were extremely concern that this negative would end the dance because we confronted with

a lack of evidence. irrational diseases or disproportion measures in terms of public health point of view but also we wanted to make sure that the attentions going to be diverted on the rio east use so for example a lot of attention was given as we met just mentioned to communicate well diseases not enough according to us to chronic diseases which something we need to give i want to tension i mean there's been a lot of criticism by the british government against the u.n. rubble to an extreme poverty what do you make of the fact that i'm a i think it's. the u.n. refugee who was leaving the lead to britain's detention camps or detention centers privatized one there is that the u.n. you can come in here more and more the world health organization when trying to compile reports is going to face that. we actually i don't know if. we actually face really difficult political situation why opening up.

and if. you need to see that there would deny that there's anything political about what that was very messy asian that was very specific situation which was not disputants in producing our report even with countries which. approach to make an issue the issue of the tension. from the public point of view is certainly proved to be prone for. many of these sort of disorders we have been proving these not evolution to if we're just a migrant but we started many years ago with mental health patients conveyed to the into psychiatric hospitals then health in prisons how important was to offer them the same kind of set of pieces in order to prevent having them get in seek when convicted so the issue of the tension and forcefully is the approach most utilized

by contras but you know what we are very clear that the tension it's. getting health concerns and problems and as you say yes indeed this is not an issue we are observing only knew about it it's an issue it's a global issue migration to the management of the migration phenomenon the management of the. population is a global issue not not by chance just recently two compacts being approved the compact on make nation the compact order for g.'s exactly with the aim to improve the framework of collaboration between cancers international games issue in order to manage those phenomena so we need to address the issue in a positive way we need to rebalance the understanding the even the knowledge we have been about people. movement doctors and you know it over any thank you thank you. but we just heard from the world health organization about the treatment of

refugees in europe but how they treated around the globe joining me now is dr nick martin the award winning whistleblower who exposed what he calls crimes against humanity had australia's privately run guantanamo of refugees nic thanks for coming on the show congratulations on winning an award following in the footsteps of chelsea manning john kiriakou the course kiriakou went to jail chelsea manning was tortured how difficult was it to make a decision to blow a whistle. at first it was quite difficult because i was worried about my livelihood and i was worried about prosecution but then increasingly when i thought about it i figured i had no choice really morally it was absolutely necessary to speak ash could have been jailed even for keeping a diary about the island of nauru why d.c. is australia's going ton and what did you see there that people wanted you to keep quiet about i think the biggest thing i saw that was the absolute despair of the refugees who are being held in

a room in indefinite status what is now really because people don't really know the numbers a tiny auto industry nation state is on the road on the equator in the middle of the pacific and it's it's tiny it takes about twenty twenty five minutes to drive around an hour itself is being used to be the richest country in the world per capita that we've all been phosphate that was being mined out and now it's one of the poorest countries in the world because i understand they had free education health it trance will a new taxes build who comes on this or the great journalist that it's a place of of shame you knew it was a place of shame when you came to work that these are refugees from perhaps major wars and you know you you served in the royal navy brought there by the australian government yes is that right if you try on reach australia by boat and they take you to christmas island as well which is not enough western australia and then they process you and then it's really fairly arbitrary whether you carry to detention center in a bit of a desert in australia or one of the cities or if you go it's madness or no research

it's here while innocent australians decided to place people in offshore detention really means out of sight and out of mind and having the reporting restrictions so no journalists are allowed back they have had a couple who've been heavily monitored and very pots on their approach but basically you can't go to you can't record it but to watch what was going on and say. that it was more traumatic what you saw there than what use was a royal navy doctor in afghanistan yes it's different sort of trauma but saying if you had a kid who maybe was three years old when i got sonari after five years or eight marion's a camp or tent in this tiny island and you see over and over had dreams just being taken out of them and getting you know worse and worse psychologically that was very traumatic to see and we saw a loss of self harm we saw a lot of serious attempts quite apart from the physical conditions i had which were

not being treated correctly and i don't know what the australian government is saying now with some self reflection going on there i mean do you contend that patients with breast lumps kidneys just your logical damage diagnostic treatment was being delayed for the absolute here it's laid every single time we would make recommendations that people needed treatment was not available and i knew australian government would say yes we heard you and then just store it these patients were just languish with no no no for treatment program treatments are so people with diabetes for example lose their eyesight so people have kidney stones and uppers and kidneys just because of the delays put in but you wouldn't be employed by the australian government i was affects every australian government event have austrian border force even employed who've been used mass which is a company you point me to provide medical care h.m.'s i know that there are a subsidiary of internationalists o.s.'s right yes that company which says that their humanitarian care is excellent of course they say their clients are provided

with unrivaled service pioneering preventative programs and all the rest of it oh you look clinical decisions that you may being overruled other people yes they're being overruled they're being to not even the company no i think people in a mess would take my opinion or tech my recommendation approve it and then give it to austria. border force who would then that's where it stalled that's right the decisions are made by no medics to say no that will not happen that person will move that's what you're saying is in direct. the australian immigration detention of over claims all transferees have access to clinically recommended they do have access to care of them when the people who they are employing and paying a lot of money to give back can make recommendations saying these people need to get health that's when the problem happened in the australian government for what's in the courts pretty much every time to prevent kids of the people getting

a cat it require so when they say we've got the kids often are very very spent millions of dollars trying to stop these children in particular and you know i don't see females everyone when you're being nice to your former employer. they are as i should say own clinics run clinics here in britain in the believe and he said . with a dual aware that things were going wrong in the contract that they'd accepted i think know well aware and so you know right why did it take you to come out like this. in the many email was expressing my concerns and they replied agreeing with these concerns i suspect that is a lucrative contract and i think. there's no evidence of what we don't want to lose his money now that you've come out blown the whistle things are going to get better now i really hope say i think it's very still people employed by effectively body. i'm hoping that i'll continue to speak out and say what i mean what is clearly

a massive breach of these two was human rights and there's talk in australia of it being considered a crime against humanity by seven lawyers because of the and indefinite nature of detention and so i do you have a this momentum keeps going and so on and saying in australia which came out by a major general pretty recently about the standard you will. accept and after a while working and i realize i could no longer walk past and it was unacceptable and i hope that people continue to behave like that and they want and thank you that's it for the show we'll be back on monday with a journalist disguised as own safety into the days of this show dead until they get judged by social media money fifteen years to the day of the founding of facebook.

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