ross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor although bitchy is a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and of course we have dmitri babied she's a political analyst we spoke meek international our german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you let me just kind of introduce this program here looking at the front page some of the headlines from antiwar dot com trump insists on afghanistan withdrawal senate votes to stay in syria afghanistan pentagon continues to resist syria pull out kurdish lobby struggles to slow u.s. pullout from syria victor we've had the imperial presidency for decades now and it's a product of the cold. but you know through time the president has been given prerogatives privileges and without much oversight now we see the complete reverse we're

sensually denying donald trump as president of the united states to have a foreign policy on this program we've just discussed the pros and cons of his foreign policy but now he doesn't even look like he's going he's being denied it in very forcefully including his own party who are going to this is very symptomatic of what the loyalties and disloyalty is both in the u.s. congress and the u.s. intelligence community and the pentagon and this is a taste of things to come when that attempt to move to actually happen and that is likely to happen after the final report after miller's final report comes out and people see the same forces the same political forces that they're now trying to impede the amps foreign policy agenda come out against him in force. to try to remove him from his will have to make it very clear they're not impeding him having a coup d'etat or openly. in venezuela is way way out of course ok in

a market and i think you all saw the american conservative an article trump is right the intelligence community needs to go back to school and let me read a quick paragraph of it because i think it's brilliant here the current crop of national intelligence chiefs are cut from the same cloth as their predecessors they are careerists who have risen to the top not through their analytical or operational talents but through their willingness to conform to a system that is designed not to challenge conventional thinking. yeah i mean with that that's obviously true it's been true for several administrations now going at least back to the george w. bush administration probably i think we can take it even further back all the way to reagan and so on but i mean jeanne a house full of a hands on torture is now director of the cia so much for accountability. clapper and brennan during the obama era of both lied under oath to congress in the to the

house and the senate didn't run the risk terminus well there were no more cash and no repercussions for them so and you know the same people have been elevated in the trump administration to these positions house bill is just one example at the cia and pompei o becoming secretary of state dan coats they're all ripped from from the same page a lot of them have prior military experience and experience within what i think we ben rhodes called the blob and he identified the blob during the obama administration as the the both the commentary it and the appointed bureaucracy the city is if you will that is unelected and that formulates us foreign policy and has repeatedly formulated a policy of a gemini and regime change that has failed again and again and again so mr ideology you saw it in three only

a. week is it has nothing to do with political parties well i mean coming back to that conventional wisdom what does it mean conventional wisdom let's be blunt conventional means we did it means war then they want to make sure war happens or sure war happens always very possible i mean mr trump leaves the i.m.f. treaty initiated there were some protests inside the united states in the european union then they realized that it was actually brilliant that will close or so suddenly all of the foreign ministers over the. you come out with a statement of very rapid change for doing all the blame on russia saying that it was russia who breached that treaty or so they are i'm quoting in complete agreement with the united states basically all in medium range missile star get europe from both sides. talking about ideology you know a lot of people said always so just about money if russia had the same stakeholders

the united states china things will be so much about well china indeed bought one point two trillion dollars walked off american securities it didn't prevent the trade war and they didn't prevent that it didn't just community that we're talking about now this is intelligence community is all been the target in china they're talking of vog in china they're talking of limiting china's needed. it's true it's a joy you know we went we don't we're talking about here was this briefing that was given to congress worldwide threat assessment report here and the media made a big trump made a big deal out of it after he saw my support i suppose he saw the hearings and that he went on some kind of a twitter read you know that's what we got you know go back to school phrase then he meets them and then he says we're on the same page another one hundred all ok he lost face and that look there are several very serious problems that this rift between the intelligence the open rift between top of the intelligence community

exposes first of all we saw an example in the need up to the iraq war of how the intelligence community essentially makes up analysis that the leadership question very. seriously and simply says what's necessary even though the evidence isn't healy there today we see another very serious example of a fact a democracy a direct threat to democracy where the intelligence community is not loyal to the commander in chief not loyal to the president and you say it's to promote it. so an agenda against the will and the viewpoint of the president now we have seen i wouldn't want. it. but a month into a presidency and chuck schumer came out and said that the president you watch if somebody picks a fight you say to pick a fight with the intelligence community you they have a way of getting back at that person and there was an example with the democrat senator in the ninety's there. was a congressman actually he exposed u.s.

army intelligence at all in killing some guatemalan citizens during the civil war there what happened after that the cia did everything possible to malign him to malign him never again that torie cheli come out with any serious criticism of the u.s. intelligence community and this is this is the whole the the ones that the cooked the books as it were for the illegal invasion of two thousand and three they're still around exactly it is exactly you know you begin in the state exactly and so this chap schumer is warning it's coming to bear right now and it's coming to bear against him. is this political more is this a way to undermine him because like it is he said with the mayor here i mean these are people that have needed up through the ranks to different administrations different political parties here i mean is this sending a signal that the you really have to get our permission to go down these paths when it comes to iran when it comes to venezuela when it comes to russia when it comes

to china sure i think a lot of it is knee jerk partisan issue but if you take a liberal interventionist and a neo con they're simply flip sides of the same coin and i have a hard time telling whether it's the blob the intelligence community in congress that are lying more about foreign policy or the tropic ministration at this point let's toss up a scorecard or right so we know that trump is in favor of pulling troops out at least rhetorically from syria and afghanistan and the blob in the congress or. are in favor of permanent war they're keeping there in iran right now at least rhetorically the intelligence community and congress are bucking the trump administration by insisting that iran is holding to the terms of the joint comprehensive plan of action because of the obama era legacy but is that the political day to buy if the trumpet ministration continues on its path to saying and drive for regime change in iran i don't think that that opposition will hold up

because we've already seen the democrats in congress support sanctions venezuela though venezuela is is is where we've all the neo cons of liberal intervention as democrats republicans community in the media have all found common cause there is regime change we can all agree where i see but this is what i've been saying to him and the empire is the glue that keeps it all together because it doesn't matter where you are in the political spectrum as long as you buy in to the ideology of empire and permanent war that's what keeps the parameter is that i mean you can disagree about the wall but you don't disagree on empire it's absolutely true and again you cannot explain it by mining interests it's really it's i do or would you know the whole wall chilled listen to the united states and the european union on which kind of lead us it should have and mr monk wrong is demanding you know every

signal nation over my dual role because people sprawled tests when it is doing that when he is facing his own problems i mean you know we should we must or we should start a movement to recognize the this is the most interesting thing is he is dead wrong now is saying that he is also a yellow best just get me quote him even being a jail will last not do it i mean it just means pushing for a higher pay and for a more efficient bottom and then i only a little bit i am sorry for himself. the problem is that these people you know when dictators ultra right like brazil is useful suddenly you have democrat support and bolton are all if someone who appears to be from the left you know why go expose in there someone who is not for the regional then they support a seemingly leftist candidate and we'll talk about that as we have a second here but what do you bet gentlemen before we go to the break that the coup

being. constructed in directed venezuela if it goes south. trump will be blamed right of course time for people would be a major us foreign policy fear that will be legal his doorstep but unfortunately the us intelligence community seems to have people had pretty well for this cool and it seems so far again unfortunately it seems to be going their way ok hold that thought because that's exactly what we're going to talk about when we return after a short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news state party. where the stand. for one has.

no good i'm in a lot of trouble but i rather tough it out for one that. only allowed compatible i don't. keep and. i have flew to china for all that it. may. get its hole for. payoff time in syria this is a. model for the whole fucking mr hates it for jim and then i hope that our fairly mature course.

what politicians do. they put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected . so when you want to be president. or somehow want to. have to go right to be approached this is what before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters in the. west should. the u.s. in order to guarantee obeyed by the population will gauge and soft to tell terry doesn't and that's clearly on the march and the population is ready for it we know they were those had to say ok go they're getting ready for their get ready to be controlled. is this is

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ok mark if i go back to that. page from antiwar dot com there's another headline here and this will go here bolton dot dot intervention against venezuela not imminent ok how is the coup going is it on schedule well bolton has has laid out the u.s. rationale in a pretty i think commendable on s.t. was a good beer and will know that yes it will make a big difference to the u.s. economically if we could have american oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities and we're going to stay with very direct very out and he went on to say this was in an interview with fox news he's in a conversation with major oil companies and they're all basically getting ready to run venezuela's energy resources the us puppet calls him guido the us puppet president in venezuela has already said his plan to revive the

venezuelan country and the economy is to privatized off the state oil company which of course would mean handing all of it over primarily to the u.s. is going to be that easy victory but it's not going to be that fast it's a keeping cool and it will keep for quite a long time and it's still a long way to go but the problem is the united states and its allies its partners in the region and outside in europe for example in the u.k. the have been trying to cut off all the instruments economic instruments step-mother all of that the legitimate government of venezuela would be able to use to improve or change the economic situation in the country so there we have economic sanction it's against israel that are getting. sure and essentially every week and sometimes even several times a week their gold as it was of have now been. expropriated confiscated by the british central bank the bank of britain there are

a number of other steps that have been taken and so the big. for my daughter that they enter for the government in caracas is that the economic situation will get worse and worse and worse and there is nothing they can there is nothing they can say to the people of venezuela to to make them to give them hope that the situation will improve eventually because if it only gets worse then where is the hope that it will get but they will go down from and that will really. negatively impact the future of the game plan is to worse the better example for human well i think that the united states and the e.u. one one mistake that this is what a lot of us have seen they want to do too fast i mean the decision to recognize why go s. they're legitimate president of israel. who i know i know about the i believe because last big monster. so. why those that didn't president came from fifty countries now and the e.u.

all gave model just to hold an election it's physically technically impossible so all the hardship that people wouldn't you are now in a swell it can be blamed on the on for intervention right he simply because they went too far it's not cede these to call an election within six to twelve months but that still is an illegal and absolutely legal to meet i agree but what is important now i think what is important will the duro try to compromise there it's . because he's look he's been saying there should be talks it should be diluted by one side the talks about dialogue which doesn't get reported in western. russia she's also suggested a dialogue not at all i don't know a lot of those because the americans and the europeans they don't want any down because they simply want the and moved and then i think it's all in there it's not that there are two sides of what's happening right now the economic and the covert

and i think the economist or the. nudes weekly news magazine of the british establishment i think again commendable honesty tweeted out with an article john doe. and donald trump are betting that sanctions will talk the regime before they starve the venezuelan people already that that lays out you know that he is right there but right now the covert side of it while the sanctions are going on the cia is doing exactly what they did so well in iraq and libya they are trying to suborn but i often blackmail threaten every venezuelan military officer national guard officer police chief politician bureaucrat and so so far what we know is they've had only small successes we have an air force general the us the venezuelan military envoy to the us and i believe the venezuelan ambassador to iraq have

defected to the us puppet guido but we don't know how many more are coming behind the scenes because the bulk of that will announce it once when they may go for the final big regime change push and this is why the u.s. didn't really have to fight in iraq or in libya at the end in tripoli because the military the police just stood down and this is what they're going to try to do here as well we'll see if it works but i would like to know that you did you a political and been here because there's a lot there's a lot of commentary in the in the by the commentary that this is. a master move to push the rule of the russians and the chinese out not only of venezuela but of the whole imus fear because we do know that nicaragua is being targeted in cuba again. basically making no. outreach to cuba what wall street journal had lined us push to oust venezuela's dural marks just the first step in

a plan to reshape let in america if you're a step target in sacramento i don't. good will be the spirit of history will tell us which they're going to sort of look at that you actually read because look at argentina marcie who is much more pro-american than his predecessors than. in brazil completely pro american president now. and there venezuela so what do what are we actually seeing we're seeing that in each lesson american country the u.s. is using those instruments and those mechanisms now they're most effective to do to get it's to get the government that they want installed used so in argentina in brazil they were able to use of loose political making nations of various political schemes to get their kid to that stew in that worked so that worked in venezuela they were not they were only able to use different kinds of the tide for years they've tried to get it to use different political making these it

didn't work so now they're going for a full fledged pool which is what you seem to be well talking about geopolitics gallup conducted the poor a model asian americans just like are on the wall dole soul who want to trade with and several countries in several countries china first before do naked states in the country is like. a car door business well of course so it's not so easy to change the tide that has been going that way for for quite a few years now on the united states and it may be a little bit optimistic i think that every time they make more and more mystique these regime changes the problem now is that they didn't find someone from inside the rule in the lead they didn't find another child the step who would change my door they found someone and nobody until two months ago was a nobody for the huge majority or the minister and where this is actually the last of them we're going to just you know seattle weekly he goes yeah you really do that

but by they walk more and more crudely because why did the manager. to talk with me was in the fall and someone who was acceptable to us it was acceptable for the nationalists and for the liberals way to wrong they forgot about bush doing so they threw him out but he was useful at the moment no the regime change is a walk in in a crude and cool that way and they may fail this time just like they failed with us or with us so their problem was that the un such force against him which were unacceptable for the syrian people and for the syrian elite you know these people they see and it will not physicalists that wife are these witnesses. what the only change the balance of forces in syria was the intervention by russia and iran which gave the way i think he did not mean that is i am going to go with that because that's not going to happen in the us savages we that's the big difference russia and china both of made significant investments in the venezuelan economy and iran

has also started to make investments in the region that's why in this wall street journal piece i mentioned they're targeting now venezuela nicaragua and cuba and the express intent is a monro doctrine rehash of driving russian and chinese and iranian influence out of the region meaning they're not allowed to do business here at least not on except under our terms so but it's simply too far and russia and china do not have the military power projection capabilities to put military force in any way i mean syria is the very geopolitical limitation interests and and china as much as of they have invested are not ready to engage in a fire fight not for venezuela despite the world's largest proven oil reserves three hundred billion barrels being on the line. let me say if you want some in defense of mockery because when low rates so market want the election everyone

expected him to throw all of our teeth continues to broadcast if you do. not cancel all the contracts so there are still differences there are still differences but if hopes to achieve a compromise with the united states or with the u. he's wrong he's decision to hold only parliamentary elections if this is just to remove their big parliament that they have now completely approach us there and it's the right decision if he in this way if he hopes to get these the united states and the e.u. he won't get peace of that nobody will know because that's humane and that's what makes it really critical here because no matter what the current government does it will not be acceptable and all exactly the it will only do made that decision in washington in london in the other western capitals that the government is has to go just because it has to go and unless something extraordinary happens to break their plan like it's happened in syria the view is not going to change

a venezuelan version of signing a january twenty first agreement as in a covert you did would be the i mean it would be you know the stupidest move possible obviously what the u.s. has planned for venezuela is just like what it had planned for ukraine in two thousand and fourteen or if you go back to chile. in one thousand nine hundred ninety three with the cia push to push pinochet in the power which is by the way if you look at the news headlines nearly identical to what is happening right now but it's not just removing one person like in ukraine like in chile nine hundred seventy three they need to level off the entire political field from the leftist socialist or you know opposite are not going to go to retirement homes mark with a that's why it's the potential for violence it was a tweet it's a very high but we saw it in ukraine where the opposition was simply banned love street or suicide and that's what one of the comments all the time we have here

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who give the net a million come on what the how do we solve our d s when i last saw one in the north they need the whole corn to go before. so on. and i don't see. headlines here on r.t. donald trump confirms that sending troops to venezuela to support an opposition leader one quiet go is a live option meantime venezuela's president warns of bloody consequences generally is something that's something that it's an option.